MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

[Linda7NJ]

I guess you are lucky to have never lived somewhere where there is police corruption. It's all over the place. It happens. Do your research. The State trooper in this case was fired because of such.

No, he wasn’t.
Drinking on the job and speaking poorly & unprofessionally about Karen to friends that live in another state.


The FBI and the independent audit and the District Attorney for the state of Massachusetts found ZERO evidence of conspiracy to frame Karen Read

IMO

 

[Seattle1]

4/24/25 - Canton Confidential

Karen Read retrial analysis | 'Rare' legal strategies in court​

 

[lohrtabitha]

No, he wasn’t.
Drinking on the job and speaking poorly & unprofessionally about Karen to friends that live in another state.


The FBI and the independent audit and the District Attorney for the state of Massachusetts found ZERO evidence of conspiracy to frame Karen Read

IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

Lead investigator in Karen Read case who sent sexist and crude texts about her has been fired

The lead investigator in the Karen Read case was fired Wednesday after a disciplinary board found he sent sexist and crude texts about her to his family and colleagues.

abc11.com

 

[lohrtabitha]

No, he wasn’t.
Drinking on the job and speaking poorly & unprofessionally about Karen to friends that live in another state.


The FBI and the independent audit and the District Attorney for the state of Massachusetts found ZERO evidence of conspiracy to frame Karen Read

IMO

Lead investigator in Karen Read case who sent sexist and crude texts about her has been fired

The lead investigator in the Karen Read case was fired Wednesday after a disciplinary board found he sent sexist and crude texts about her to his family and colleagues.

abc11.com

 

[keek]

Lead investigator in Karen Read case who sent sexist and crude texts about her has been fired

The lead investigator in the Karen Read case was fired Wednesday after a disciplinary board found he sent sexist and crude texts about her to his family and colleagues.

abc11.com

People who have been watching this mess of a case are aware of all of Proctor's disgusting character. Some it doesn't mean anything to really, most it def. does.. of course that depends on your own character as a person as either way it is loud and clear.

 

[PamCake]

They haven't completed the trial, but her slamming the car in reverse would be some proof and then, if the jury believes the evidence shows she knew or had a good idea she hit him, would go a long ways towards that charge.

Reality may be that it was a drunken moment of rage/loss of control, which she quickly regretted, but I don't think that prevents it from being 2nd degree murder.

Wouldn't surprise me if she was convicted of the lesser charge only.

Are modern cars even able to be “slammed” in reverse? My push button in my car can’t be “slammed”.

 

[LvsAMystry]

Flirting?
It went WAY beyond innocent flirting

Imo

So you’re saying Higgins was no friend of JOK and may have had motive to fight him?

 

[Derph]

No, he wasn’t.
Drinking on the job and speaking poorly & unprofessionally about Karen to friends that live in another state.


The FBI and the independent audit and the District Attorney for the state of Massachusetts found ZERO evidence of conspiracy to frame Karen Read

IMO

That's just not true. The FBI handed well over 3000 pages of their findings to the Defense and the prosecution that let the Defense's know that were a lot of shady things, dishonest acts and many, many more inconsistencies with the investigations. I don't know why you're allowed to continue spreading lies and hiding behind that fact by place IMO at the end of those lies?

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's just not true. The FBI handed well over 3000 pages of their findings to the Defense and the prosecution that let the Defense's know that were a lot of shady things, dishonest acts and many, many more inconsistencies with the investigations. I don't know why you're allowed to continue spreading lies and hiding behind that fact by place IMO at the end of those lies?

So who else has been charged with a crime in this case?
Where is all this evidence of wrong doing?
Do you have a link where I can read the 3,000 pages provided to both the defense and the CW?

The only, beneficial to the defense, thing that came from the FBI was a really poor investigation by ARCCA.
I don’t believe their shoddy work will hold up for this trial.
Edited to add- Proctors private personal texts
IIRC & IMO

 

[Seattle1]

The US Attorney's Office and the FBI Investigation are responsible for ARCCA entering this case but what most may not know (news to me) is that the ARCCA Independent Investigation Report came to the defense in a 3,000 page reciprocal discovery document dump from the CW.

In other words, the very ARCCA investigation report citing scientific data that JOK was not killed by a collision with KR's Lexus was first provided to the CW, and they not only chose to ignore this very important information, but they then fought to keep the defense from using ARCCA and their investigation/test results as defense expert witnesses during the first trial!

(The ARCCA information was kept from being disclosed and/or discoverable to the parties under a federal protection order until just before the first trial). See KR Interview w/Ted Daniels linked below. Begins about minute marker 19:00 to 29:00.

And here we are a year later, and it's deja vu where the CW is again fighting to keep the defense from using ARCCA as their expert witness by mandating the firm turn over a seemingly unlimited data sweep to the Court (Order 683) and be subjected to another voir dire hearing during the ongoing retrial. "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" JMO...
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Karen Read tells her story in exclusive one-on-one interview: The extended cut​

 

[KSwizzle]

The ARCCA people have phds and experience in engineering in the exact areas they were hired by the fbi to do, the state’s “expert” was trooper Paul who said, and I am paraphrasing, it just happened.

I put much more belief in the engineers who have phds and were independently hired by the fbi than the trooper who was working under trooper Procter, moo

 

[Linda7NJ]

The ARCCA people have phds and experience in engineering in the exact areas they were hired by the fbi to do, the state’s “expert” was trooper Paul who said, and I am paraphrasing, it just happened.

I put much more belief in the engineers who have phds and were independently hired by the fbi than the trooper who was working under trooper Procter, moo

Trooper Paul is your basic local police accident reconstructionist. I’m sure you’re aware police departments don’t hire PhD level physics, biomechanics etc to deploy to accident scenes.

This time, the CW will be using a very impressive PhD expert that had access to ALL AVAILABLE DATA- (I’ve detailed his credentials here before.)

Those missing texts are sure interesting. ARCCA communication with the defense sure seems sketchy.
Will be VERY interesting if ARCCA also deleted them all too!
The defense lied when presenting ARCCA as not biased.
IMO

 

[Seattle1]

2/25/25

Karen Read tells her story in exclusive one-on-one interview: Part 2, a drive through Boston​

 

[TDoc72]

It’s how that Atkins’s diet guy died. He slipped, fell backwards on ice.

Hmm, got me wondering about a possibility of JOK going into the house, checking to make sure they’re invited but taking more than a few minutes, then ran out to the car, but KR was pulling away. He jogged across the lawn, but missed her, but then slipped & fell, hitting his head. Of course, that doesn’t explain no one seeing him w/all the comings and goings at that house.

 

[SteveS]

Trooper Paul is your basic local police accident reconstructionist. I’m sure you’re aware police departments don’t hire PhD level physics, biomechanics etc to deploy to accident scenes.

Yes, we all agree with your observation above that the cw didn't want to investigate this death properly. They just handed it off to the local non-expert, who had no explanation for how (or even if) JOK was hit by a car. He just made up some crap, hoping it would go unchalleneged, and it was apparent.

This is sad, because I (and I suspect pretty much all of the ones here) want JOK's killer caught and punished, but we have seen enough to know the cw is clearly not pursuing the truth. It's frustrating.

The FBI even offered help to Canton, hiring the accident experts at ARCCA to use the physics of the assumed accident scene, test it, and find out if things happened as the cw was assuming -- but when they presented the results to the cw that it was not possible scientifically, did the cw embrace the help and expertise? Well, no - they tried to bury it so no one could know what the science says. That speaks volumes (and it's not good).

The fact that the FBI shared that evidence with the cw, to help them figure out what had happened, and they wanted to BURY it, tells us clearly that they have never really been in good faith pursuit of finding what happened to JOK. I don't know who did this, but it sure wasn't KR, and it's frustrating that the guilty one(s) are getting away with what they did to him. I want KR to be found not guilty because she didn't do it (scientifically, COULDN'T have done it) but also because I want the state to move forward to looking for the real killer(s) and bringing them to justice.

 

[Questions123]

Did KR say in her statement she dropped JOK at the Albert residence and drive off before he got to the front door or did she see John enter the house?
Also I find it very odd that the next day with ambulance, and police and Karen being sectioned and lots of yelling and screaming no doubt that no one that lived at the Albert residence came outside to investigate all that noise and drama. Why wouldn't JM knock on her brother in laws front door before EMT arrived? I have a very strong feeling JOK was inside that house that night and Karen never hit him with her car. All imo only but I think she is 100% innocent and really hope the jury can see what many of us see - there is way too much reasonable doubt.

 

[mrjitty]

When, how and by whom?

Karen Read said it was busted so bad, the bulb was fully exposed.
She also lied and said she dropped pieces in John’s driveway

So that whole “crack” nonsense can be put to bed.

IMO

For me this is becoming ground zero of the case, and that video could well be pivotal.

The defendant essentially confirmed the testimony of Kerry that pieces were missing. The uncontested evidence is that pieces are then found at 34F by SERT later that same day. That is primafacie evidence of vehicle involved accident.

To rebut that, the defendant's version now absolutely requires those pieces allegedly in John's driveway to be taken by someone, and planted at 34F, so that SERT can find them.

The problem with that, IMO, is that it might not be physically possible for the reversing incident on the ring video to have done that damage to the taillight. The tail light is high up on the superstructure of the car. How would JOK's bumper impact so high up and why is the Lexus bumper zone not crumpled?

For me the most important accident reconstruction might be the one in JOKs driveway.

 

[mrjitty]

That's just not true. The FBI handed well over 3000 pages of their findings to the Defense and the prosecution that let the Defense's know that were a lot of shady things, dishonest acts and many, many more inconsistencies with the investigations. I don't know why you're allowed to continue spreading lies and hiding behind that fact by place IMO at the end of those lies?

BIB
Please post a link to this.

As far as I am aware, the Feds discovered only the ARCCA report materials under a Touhy request. No one knows the scope or results of their investigation beyond that, or even what they were investigating. As confirmed by Yannetti on June 10 in Court below.

"These experts did not arise from us," Yannetti said on June 10. "These experts were hired by the federal government, and they provided a report to us, pursuant to the Touhy request, and it was specifically outlined and ruled that they could not prep with us for trial."

Karen Read hearing could have Alan Jackson in the hot seat. All the details we know so far.

A hearing in Karen's Read's case abruptly ended when the judge called off the rest of the day in court amid allegations that defense attorneys may have made misrepresentations to the Court.

www.cbsnews.com

The Touhy procedure is somewhat opaque, but I guess you could speculate that given the Feds do not appear to have discovered anything else - such broader evidence does not exist. In any event, there does not appear to be any report from the FBI themselves laying out evidence of corruption - at least that I know of.

 

[Linda7NJ]

For me this is becoming ground zero of the case, and that video could well be pivotal.

The defendant essentially confirmed the testimony of Kerry that pieces were missing. The primafacie evidence is that pieces are then found at 34F by SERT later that same day. That is primafacie evidence of vehicle involved accident.

To rebut that, the defendant's version now absolutely requires those pieces allegedly in John's driveway to be taken by someone, and planted at 34F, so that SERT can find them.

The problem with that, IMO, is that it might not be physically possible for the reversing incident on the ring video to have done that damage to the taillight. The tail light is high up on the superstructure of the car. How would JOK's bumper impact so high up and why is the Lexus bumper zone not crumpled?

For me the most important accident reconstruction might be the one in JOKs driveway.

BINGO - that’s game, set, match for me.
The physical evidence is IMO overwhelming