MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

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  • #541
Had Karen Read that morning demanded to know WHAT HAPPENED because she SAW HIM ENTER THAT HOUSE - a warrant would be justified.
She did not.


IMO
She must have been in a state of shock and horraw just like JMc and KerR.
 
  • #542
To further the fantasy anyone who owns a dog or cat will tell you that is impossible to enter the home of a pet owner and not get some of the pets hair on you, it is even less likely you can avoid getting canine Hair and DNA on you if you are bitten and mauled by the animal and roll around on the floor after getting punched out.

The absence of canine DNA on JO makes it a virtual certainty that he never set foot in that house.

Molecular characterization of the canine mitochondrial DNA control region for forensic applications - PubMed

The Revolution of Animal Genomics in Forensic Sciences - PMC

To me the most telling piece of "evidence" is that the defense has never sent his shirt for their own Canine DNA testing or asked to have a bite impression done of the dog to compare to the images. Imagine if they had and the defense found Chloe's DNA on that shirt or the teeth lined up perfectly... case closed its a conspiracy.
The shirt was not collected in to evidence properly for months. The ones in charge up and down the chain of command botched up any evience that may have been retrieved. Why do it ??
 
  • #543
I said that many times. I’ve owned a German Shepard that I brushed & used a shedding blade, daily - DAILY and still there was hair everywhere, all the time.

I would be impossible to wrestle with one and not get a single hair on you.
And not a spec of canine DNA on that shirt sleeve. Not possible. IMO
Who said he wrestled with Chloe? She bit, clawed and hung on to his arm while JOK was bleeding, vomiting and then killed by a separate blow to the back of the head....by the looks of it.
 
  • #544
IMO she is just a chip off the old block and I give her not one bit of credibility after the defense got through with her.
Agree and she still has to live there, and so does her family while being named nationally to committing purjury.
 
  • #545
It did come from KR herself, she said it to the ambulance personnel. As confirmed in testimony and question asked by AJ.
Testimony?? As if that can't be wrong.
 
  • #546
Read the independent audit
Don't need too. The investigation was corrupted from the start due to MP taking the helm. It's about common sense and thorough investigation procedures, neither which was used Linda.
 
  • #547
First, I think she is being overcharged, she did not intend to kill JO.

And- I cannot explain frame by frame how he got each injury, however I think in most cases of an accident with no video, the exact sequence of events is at best an educated guess.

Here is a very simple version of why I think she hit him, causing the injuries that resulted in him dying of hypothermia in the snow, vs he was beat up and dragged out in the yard to die.

She was drunk- Evidence: video of her at the bar, blood evidence, and her own admission
She was angry- Evidence: those voicemails
She accelerated backward at high speed at some point- Evidence: Telematics from her car
She hit something at 34 Fairview hard enough to break a polycarbonate tail light housing- Evidence: tail light pieces found at the scene
The thing she hit was John- Evidence: a small amount of his DNA on the tail light and tail light fragments embedded in his clothing
John died as a result of that impact- Evidence: phone GPS data showing he never moved from the spot where they found him
Finally, the morning of, she thought this was the most reasonable explanation- Evidence: Her own words, "I hit him"

In addition, every testable part of her third-party culpability defense is false. Note that most of the story is not testable any longer.

There is no canine DNA on John to support a dog bite and the police were willing to test it, her defense never did.

Every witness has said that he never entered 34 Fairview that night.

There are no tail light pieces in John's driveway to support her hypothesis that she broke that light with the light tap of her car on his van
The tail light was cracked in John's driveway. What about the car parked behind KR in front of the Alberts house where it was testified to that she was alone with the dome light on and no damage to her tail ligh AND the 80 steps he took after disconnecting from KR car? Steps going up and down stairs, from his own phone before it was maually turned off and locked.
 
  • #548
Abrasions don’t bleed.
His DNA is on the taillight
His hair was found on her SUV
Abrasions do bleed. He lived with KR. Do you think he never touched her car??
 
  • #549
Testimony?? As if that can't be wrong.
A Jackson: She did refer to Mr O'Keefe as her husband, or her spouse?
Witness JB: That's correct

What did you think of the way Mr Jackson asked the question? Does he sound as if he is disputing it?

 
  • #550
From last trial, some expert (DNA) said on cross I believe Imo re dog claws scratches not great for dog dna shedding. This was only touched on in trial 1 but have a feeling we'll hear more about it this time. Imo Dr Russell testified that there is likely one bite mark and it looked to be a glancing one, the rest look to be caused by claws. So the Chloe moulds imo, even if they had ended up admissible are not a big deal. Moo
Except it indicates JOK was inside the house
 
  • #551
Yes. Moo, they were deep 'superficial' abrasions. We've all seen the photographs. There should have been traces of skin and blood on the dog claw like tail light shards that supposedly caused these oddly symmetrical wounds. Jmo
Chloe was examined much, much later
 
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  • #553
After two hung juries, I think the taxpayers of MA would have an uproar if the CW tried to try her again. It won't happen.
MOO
Without a verdict of acquittal and hopefully a REAL investigation, she will always have a cloud over her head. The public can be cruel! As for me, I want to know what really happened to and who killed JOK.
 
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KR could pass any info she wanted to TB. It's her trial to talk about if she wants to share. What I think the cw is intimating is that she encouraged him to stalk and harass some of mccabes or alberts or the like.JMOO
I think TB does and goes where he needs and wants to go
 
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His computer was upstairs iirc
If she or her father (for goodness sake!) accessed John's computer system or the actual ring camera system, there would be digital evidence with access time, deletion, and so on. None of that has been in evidence, only innuendo that she deleted it, as a cover for all the deleted videos that were in Proctor's possession.
MOO
 
  • #558
The tail light was cracked in John's driveway. What about the car parked behind KR in front of the Alberts house where it was testified to that she was alone with the dome light on and no damage to her tail ligh AND the 80 steps he took after disconnecting from KR car? Steps going up and down stairs, from his own phone before it was maually turned off and locked.
I believe Hank’s new expert will prove Karen didn’t bust her taillight in John’s driveway.
(ARRCA expert also testified that slow roll into John’s car wouldn’t break her taillight)

The BUMPER protects the taillights on vehicles. This will be proven this go around. IMO
 
  • #559
If she or her father (for goodness sake!) accessed John's computer system or the actual ring camera system, there would be digital evidence with access time, deletion, and so on. None of that has been in evidence, only innuendo that she deleted it, as a cover for all the deleted videos that were in Proctor's possession.
MOO
IIRC those records could not be obtained from Ring.
 
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