MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

[Linda7NJ]

The question I asked you was unanswered though. How do you get multiple injuries to your face like the doctor above stated in trial 1

Cocktail glass?
There were tiny cuts IIRC to his face
A small cut above his eye and a tiny sliver of glass stuck in the side of his nose, that Karen claims she removed
IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Kerry said there was a large knot....eggshell....over his right eye.

Oh and watching Jen Mc again and she said she walked into her sister's house without knocking because they leave the door open. Interesting when they have an aggressive dog. And she only went into the house after JOK had gone, and LE told her to tell her family.

IIRC she said his eye - not above his eye.
Above his eye she said there was a little cut
And a little bit of blood trickling across his face either from his nose or another tiny cut

 

[ShadyLady]

Yes, the injuries to his face were minor according to the ME - a couple scratches on his nose and a small laceration above the right eye. She describes the bruising around the eyes as being caused by the skull fracture on the back of his head. The ME does not say there is a golf ball sized knot above his right eye and the sketch doesn't show it. I wonder where that came from?

Kerry said there was a large lump above his eye....

 

[Wishbone]

According to the testimony, I saw as posted on here she said “Cause of Death was Blunt Force Injury of head and Hypothermia.”

yes, he died from blunt force injury of the head and hypothermia but he also had blunt force injuries to his face.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I just looked at the autopsy photos again and there’s no swelling above the eye or golf ball sized bump there. The cut must be exceptionally tiny as it doesn’t even show up in the photo.
IMO

 

[ShadyLady]

Oh...and listening to Jen cross again. Came out that when her daughter picked up Colin, her daughter told her that after she had dropped of Colin, she came right home. BUT, the 360 app on her phone said she drove around till 1:30am. AND Jen saw NO dog in her sister's bed room when she raced in to wake them...hmmmm. No barking....no dog. Doggone.

So did they get rid of Chloe???

 

[Linda7NJ]

yes, he died from blunt force injury of the head and hypothermia but he also had blunt force injuries to his face.

Where exactly to the front of the face ?

 

[Wishbone]

I have not seen where she said he had multiple injuries to his face, only what you quoted. I asked what specific injuries he had to his face, no one has told me. I did not watch the first trial so I have seen nothing that says what specific injuries he had to his face. Her testimony that I did see doesn’t mention injuries to the face.please tell me specifically what the facial injuries to his face are

I've posted the link to the medical examiners statement several times on here very recently.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Where exactly to the front of the face ?

Dr. Scordi-Bello: “The majority of blunt force injuries were to the face and the head.”

 

[Wishbone]

Where exactly to the front of the face ?

you will have to ask the medical examiner that question, I wasn't involved in the autopsy just the testimony of his injuries.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I believe the injury to the back of John O’Keefe’s head could not be caused by anything other than a fall backwards.
I believe the prosecution’s expert will testify to that just like Hank said. Hank also says the defense’s expert doesn’t disagree.
IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

you will have to ask the medical examiner that question, I wasn't involved in the autopsy just the testimony of his injuries.

Did you see his face in the autopsy photos?

 

[Wishbone]

Did you see his face in the autopsy photos?

YES.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Dr. Scordi-Bello: “The majority of blunt force injuries were to the face and the head.”

Why are there none visible in the autopsy photos to his face?

 

[lohrtabitha]

Why are there none visible in the autopsy photos to his face?

Ask the doctor. It was her report

 

[PenelopeJude]

Is it?
It would be touch DNA
I don’t think touch dna would hold up well under two feet of snow
Imo

It isn’t touch DNA if it rips through skin. There should, most definitely, be DNA on the light pieces that broke skin. And, lots of it.

 

[Bodhi]

Ingrid Curtis is (or was) Karen's best friend. Her name came up in court in an exchange between the attorneys and the judge. Maybe about scheduling. Ingrid and her husband Bill were at some hearings and sat with the Reads at the first trial. Karen told reporter Gretchen Voss (Boston Magazine) that while sitting in Kerry's car after the ambulance left she texted 4 people "John's dead." Her mother, father, brother, and Ingrid. She explained she didn't know that for certain that John was dead but wanted them to respond to this text.

 

[TristanP]

what ever happened I think was 79% an accident.

if she hit him it was because she was drunk driving and in a bad place. she says she was blaring music, so he gets out of the car and walks around..she blasts the music and hits reverse in the snow in a big exaggerated way because she's mad..she peels out of there and what just happened is not registering ...going back to check on him would be an admission. This is cold and selfish and that's why it would be a crime. Her blood alcohol was above legal limit...she stayed up all night and her blood was taken hours afterwards and she was still drunk. I don't think he was beaten up and tossed outside..I don't think he was out there wandering around like a zombie and dropped dead.

Many of the people in this story should be arrested and charged with DUI. This whole case is about
drunk driving...and a drunken toxic relationship made for a bad night.

I think Karen is guilty. I'm trying to see her points though. mOO

The CW's theory, in the last trial at least, is that Karen pulled forward, stopped, and then put it in reverse and hit John doing 24 mph .

He wasn't hit by a car.

 

[PamCake]

I have not seen where she said he had multiple injuries to his face, only what you quoted. I asked what specific injuries he had to his face, no one has told me. I did not watch the first trial so I have seen nothing that says what specific injuries he had to his face. Her testimony that I did see doesn’t mention injuries to the face.please tell me specifically what the facial injuries to his face are

Not sure but her testimony may have straddled 2 separate court days.

 

[Bodhi]

Karen’s sister’s name is Elizabeth and she goes by Liz

IMO

Right. She lives in a town next to Dighton. She has not been involved publicly or behind the scenes. I'm not naming the town for her privacy.