MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #21 Retrial

[jepop]

Contusion = bruising

Thanks!

 

[LvsAMystry]

Lol. Yeah, there were two classic freudian slips during Kerry's testimony if you believe in that sort of thing; 1)Brennan used "Mrs McCabe" on redirect IIRC and very quickly corrected himself (will look for time stamp if noone has already isolated it); and yeah 2) cannone excusing Kerry as "Mrs McCabe", which she didn't even correct? Hard to say if cannone really did not realise at the time or did realise but made a micro decision to let it pass (trying not to draw attention to it). Omg the irony. Jmo

Brennan made another slip too lol, he started to ask Kerry R “when you were influenc… er interviewed…”

 

[RatFace]

Yes. In other words not from a sharp object. Claws and teeth are sharp.

From what I've read, I think claws/teeth would usually be considered as blunt force trauma. The same could probably be said about pieces of a tail light. I found this as a description of penetrating trauma (the other category of trauma): Penetrating trauma occurs when a foreign object enters the body, either remaining in or passing through the tissue of injury. Penetrating injury can result from any object forced through the skin, often secondary to gunshots or knives, but also from blasts, industrial accidents, or as a consequence of high-velocity blunt trauma.

 

[ShadyLady]

Just saw an interesting comment.

A lot of us think KR did not have anything to do with JOK. So the question, is why was he killed? If he had only been hurt in Albert's home, why not call a paramedic?

Does anyone know if JOK was working on a particular case? In the previous months had he made some enemies?

Was it an accident, or intentional?

 

[arielilane]

The forgotten testimony. moo

BBM

Stonebridge said as a neuropathologist, she is assigned cases for a number of reasons, including any cases involving blunt force trauma to the head, as John O’Keefe did.



Stonebridge said O’Keefe’s brain showed hemorrhages and contusions that were consistent with “some type of trauma” caused by force, though she said she could not say what type or how much force. There were hemorrhages around the brain stem and many very small contusions around the frontal lobe, or the front part of the brain, caused by the brain coming in contact with the inside of the skull. She said there were too many of these contusions to count.



She said O’Keefe’s injuries were acute, meaning they occurred within minutes or hours of his death.



Lally asked if the injuries could be consistent with a fall or being struck by a vehicle and falling to the ground, and she said yes.



Lally ended his examination there and the defense did not have any questions for Stonebridge.

Karen Read trial live updates: GPS data shows O’Keefe never entered the house

Testimony resumed in the Karen Read trial on Thursday. Follow the latest updates here.

www.masslive.com

 

[arielilane]

Dr. Scordi-Bello explained that the swelling around O’Keefe’s eyes was a very common response associated with a fracture at the base of the skull, and is known as “raccoon eyes.”

 

[Amber29]

Yes. In other words not from a sharp object. Claws and teeth are sharp.

But the ME conceded on cross by defense that dog claws can be considered blunt objects. She paused and then said claws possibly yes, to that question.

 

[arielilane]

"As you come down Fairview (Road in Canton, Massachusetts), there’s, there’s a bit of a decline in it, and it curves to the left, and my eyes are peeled, and I said, ‘He’s right (expletive) there,’” Read said in a clip released on Thursday.

“I jumped out the passenger side, and I fell into the street. His eyes were shut, and he had spots of blood in different areas on his face, and he was still — not stiff, but still.”

Karen Read speaks after murder case mistrial, describes finding Boston cop boyfriend as he died

Read is accused of hitting John O’Keefe with her SUV and then leaving him to die in a blizzard on Jan. 29, 2022, in Norfolk County, Massachusetts.

www.nbcnews.com

“It was cold. I felt cold, but I didn’t feel dangerously cold and it was just an odd feeling to know that 'I’m OK. I’m not dying, but he’s here with me, and he’s dying, and I can’t warm him up,'” Read told "20/20," recalling her state of mind that night.


Read is accused of hitting John O’Keefe with her SUV and then leaving him to die in a blizzard on Jan. 29, 2022, in Norfolk County, Massachusetts.

 

[keek]

I understand what you are saying and respect your opinion but Colin was already named in the first trial. I didn't call him as a witness, the prosecution and defense did. Because he was named, gives us ample reason to discuss him as a suspect. What is concerning is his family like relationship with Proctor[which in the first trial Colin said Proctor was like family] Who ALSO by the way , only interviewed him for 10 minutes as stated by Colin. If an unbiased police officer questioned him, we may know more about his time at the party. The judge did not say Colin would be excluded in the second trial because if his age, she said that it was because there was a lack of evidence produced thanks to Proctor. Websleuths IMO gives us the abilities to share theories whether they are likeable or not. Free speech is important to us all whether it is liked or not.

Also, JMc's daughter was with him to pick him up. He had called another person and they refused, so JMC daughter was next. She did testify to a time frame but her phone proved otherwise to the defense. The question is where were she and C for an hour, she said she picked him up and dropped him off and went straight home. Turns out she did not. JMc would not want any mixing it up with her daughter, which it would do if the protected C is called to testify under oath. IMO

 

[Wishbone]

Why are there none visible in the autopsy photos to his face?

Just saw an interesting comment.

A lot of us think KR did not have anything to do with JOK. So the question, is why was he killed? If he had only been hurt in Albert's home, why not call a paramedic?

Does anyone know if JOK was working on a particular case? In the previous months had he made some enemies?

Was it an accident, or intentional?

All I can say about JO being involved in anything is that he was communicating with Kevin Albert (brother of Brian & Chris Albert) about drug activity he'd reported in his neighborhood. This issue was brought up at a Canton Select Board meeting on 8/8/23 and chief rafferty confirmed John O’Keefe reported drug activity. However, she stressed that none of the people involved in his murder investigation were involved in the drug investigation. Something to think about. JMOO

 

[Forest_Wood]

But the ME conceded on cross by defense that dog claws can be considered blunt objects. She paused and then said claws possibly yes, to that question.

Great to know! I only watched direct examination. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[rescuemom]

I’ve said this previously but personally I don’t think they intended to “frame Karen” I think they just thought of a possible hit and run or snow plow accident. I personally think Karen placed herself to be framed by raising the alarm that morning, going to get friends and finding him. I think JMc quickly realized to just go with Karen hit him because she was asking that question herself. This is all my opinion.

Did they intend to kill him or just rough him up. Idiots that they were.

 

[rescuemom]

The vehicle is parked more in position of where JOK’s body was found, near the road... that is my understanding. I could be wrong, though. During trial, I am sure ADA Brennan explains exact location of where JOK’s body was found.

• JOK’s body was found on the front lawn near the road.

I believe it was closer to the road than what msm has been reporting. Ive always been under the impression the body found more near flag pole or fire hydrant.

It is even more suspect that KR knew exactly where his body location was being near the road. However, either way, KR knowing where the body was that morning is a huge red flag for me!

Matter of opinion

She knew or just happened to see him first?? JMc , IMO knew where he was but probly not KerR

 

[303gmf]

Did they intend to kill him or just rough him up. Idiots that they were.

Alcohol and testosterone combined=danger

 

[rescuemom]

I’m sure many initially were hesitant to speak out. I know I’ve seen pictures of that night taken by neighbors across the street not that they showed anything other than LE vehicles and lights but the goings on DID wake the neighborhood.

sure it would but not at the Alberts home.

 

[rescuemom]

Rewatching this. At about 11:30.

Cause of Death is medical dependent.
Cause of Death was Blunt Force Injury of head and Hypothermia.
Any blunt object does not have a sharp edge, not a knife, not a razor edge.
Blunt force injuries could be the ground, a microphone, a heavy bottle, anything with a blunt edge.
Blunt impact injuries are one or a combination of the following 4 types due to impact from a blunt object:
Contusions (Bruises), Abrasions (Scratches), Fractures (Break in Bone), Lacerations (Tears in skin).

Manner of Death is based on circumstances.
Defined 5 manners or umbrellas of death: Natural. Accident. Homicide. Suicide. Undetermined.

Manner of Death was undetermined because she did not have enough information to determine.
Undetermined is defined as not enough evidence pointing to one manner over another manner.
Suicide and Natural were ruled out.
This left 3 remaining possibilities. Undetermined. Homicide. Accident.

As a reminder, Michael Proctor was ridiculed by his co-worker that he was a Rookie because he couldn't get a ruling of Homicide as Manner of Death from the Medical Examiner.

these guys were legends in their own minds weren't they

 

[Linda7NJ]

Rewatching this. At about 11:30.

Cause of Death is medical dependent.
Cause of Death was Blunt Force Injury of head and Hypothermia.
Any blunt object does not have a sharp edge, not a knife, not a razor edge.
Blunt force injuries could be the ground, a microphone, a heavy bottle, anything with a blunt edge.
Blunt impact injuries are one or a combination of the following 4 types due to impact from a blunt object:
Contusions (Bruises), Abrasions (Scratches), Fractures (Break in Bone), Lacerations (Tears in skin).

Manner of Death is based on circumstances.
Defined 5 manners or umbrellas of death: Natural. Accident. Homicide. Suicide. Undetermined.

Manner of Death was undetermined because she did not have enough information to determine.
Undetermined is defined as not enough evidence pointing to one manner over another manner.
Suicide and Natural were ruled out.
This left 3 remaining possibilities. Undetermined. Homicide. Accident.

As a reminder, Michael Proctor was ridiculed by his co-worker that he was a Rookie because he couldn't get a ruling of Homicide as Manner of Death from the Medical Examiner.

Well, the medical examiner was no QUINCY that’s for sure. IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thank you, @Bodhi. Appreciate your post so much!

To add, there are many victims in this case as well. Not only John O'Keefe's family and friends, but the CW's witnesses. Only trying to give honest testimony to the best of their ability- it's been Jan. 2022 since JOK was killed. Memories fade, defense's benefit.

Outside of court these people have been victimized by KR's mouthpiece TB and his cult and the FKR fan club.
She is free, last I heard. She should not have been allowed to post bond.

The witnesses are harassed at their homes, ball games, malls, etc. The FKR stop at nothing, KR the binding force.

AK (turtle boy) has done well tainting the jury pool, duping people, all the while earning his living, laughing all the way to the bank. Hopefully, he will soon be behind bars. It's unbelievable he's been allowed in the courtroom. He is not a journalist- he's a blogger.

'Turtleboy' accused of again intimidating witnesses from Karen Read case

The controversial blogger known as "Turtleboy" returned to court Thursday to face new charges of intimidation of a witness linked to the Karen Read trial.

www.wcvb.com

Kearney has posted prolifically about the Read case, pushing the defense's theory, and prosecutors allege Kearney and Read have communicated extensively.

TB has certainly unraveled. He’s now claiming Jesus spoke to him, in church, and said REVENGE 3X and he’s wishing gruesome deaths upon police officers.
I don’t know if he’s insane or pretending to be to escape charges
IMO

 

[keek]

these guys were legends in their own minds weren't they

They ALL are that in their own minds, all involved as shown, small town townies, cannot wait to see what unfolds as the trial goes on, hopefully without the bias towards the defense that we see since day one. People need to be on their toes and best behavior as words are on the winds of further issues with the CW. IMO

 

[Amber29]

Did they intend to kill him or just rough him up. Idiots that they were.

I was speculating if that’s the way he died. I go back and forth with what happened that night. I honestly don’t think anyone intended to kill him. I think whatever happened was an accident that went too far. This is my opinion.