MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #23 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

Fantastic! AJ has to get all his objections and questions concerning the judge inserting herself into testimony onto the record any way he can, even if he loses. I only recently came to understand how important this is when you have a judge behaving in the way cannone behaves. Moo

Thus the saying goes, "For the record"!

 

[lohrtabitha]

Matt McCabe saying ‘Yep. If she pleads out, it will end. If she fights it, it will be an episode.’ Is pretty chilling to me. Less than 72 hours after John’s death.

Sounds like how those 2 families have always dealt with Canton business.

 

[Anniesflowers]

Man, I knew the fact that this is a retrial and has a different prosecutor would change testimony and admissible info, but this trial feels so much different.

I didn’t see the entire T1, so I’m curious as to how it feels different for you, having watched all of T1? . Thanks!

 

[Anniesflowers]

JMO, speculative. So, how many $ down the drain for the CW and their tax payers for the cost of retaining 'special prosecutor' Brennan when the jury comes back with an acquittal or they hang? Hundreds of thousands. Moo

Attorney Brennan alone will be paid up to $225k as special prosecutor .

Special prosecutor Hank Brennan could make $225,000 trying Karen Read case

A public records request reveals that special prosecutor Hank Brennan's pay has been increased for the Karen Read trial.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Anniesflowers]

*cough* never *cough*

It’s already been 368 days, so I imagine it must be coming any day now….. moo

 

[Tricia]

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[HarmonyE.]

What evidence has the CW (T1&T2, so far) presented to show that Mr. O’Keefe was hit by a vehicle? I may have missed it during T1.
ETA: moo

Welp. There's Jen McCabe who testified today that she saw taillight near John O'Keefe's body which is why she didn't bother to go check on her sister and her family. Family that somehow didn't notice all the screaming going on 25 - 30 feet away from their front facing bedroom window.

Taillight that NO ONE ELSE saw that morning. Including the Canton PD who used a leaf blower to search the area and found nothing.

<modsnip>

 

[Leilei]

Not only that, but if you see a dead man on your sister's lawn, your mind would be racing and expecting the worst. You wouldn't KNOW he hadn't been in the house. You wouldn't KNOW others were not also dead or dying. You'd be running into that house so fast to find out why her sister never picked up at 5:07, and again at 6:03 and 6:04 (or whichever times she called). It makes no sense she wasn't in a panic thinking about why her sister wasn't answering. You'd also be running in screaming for help from them. You'd be screaming as soon as you opened the door HELP HELP HELP.

Don't forget, the door to their house was UNLOCKED during this whole thing. Was she aware of that? Was this a normal thing for them? If so, one would think that there would be major worry about the people inside the house.
But, nope, she wasn't worried at all.
A guest on Court TV just said that Jen has ice in her veins, and I have to agree.
IMO.

 

[mzmarymac]

Welp. There's Jen McCabe who testified today that she saw taillight near John McCabe's body which is why she didn't bother to go check on her sister and her family. Family that somehow didn't notice all the screaming going on 25 - 30 feet away from their front facing bedroom window.

Taillight that NO ONE ELSE saw that morning. Including the Canton PD who used a leaf blower to search the area and found nothing.

<modsnip>

Sorry I wasn't able to watch but did AJ ask about that? Did he ask why she has NEVER mentioned seeing tail light pieces around JOK?

 

[HarmonyE.]

Sorry I wasn't able to watch but did AJ ask about that? Did he ask why she has NEVER mentioned seeing tail light pieces around JOK?

Judge broke for lunch seconds later and that was the end of cross. But no, she's never once mentioned seeing taillight before. <modsnip>

 

[kuromiiiilove]

My head is still spinning that AJ proved that there is now NO ONE to corroborate Jen’s claim that Karen told her to google hypothermia. No audio, no video, no Kerry.

 

[HarmonyE.]

My head is still spinning that AJ proved that there is now NO ONE to corroborate Jen’s claim that Karen told her to google hypothermia. No audio, no video, no Kerry.

I think the fact that this is a second trial very much benefits the defense as opposed to the prosecution. Jackson et al know exactly how to expose the state's case - or lack thereof - this time.

 

[waldojabba]

On this thread, someone who lives in the area and has driven those roads, says that she doesn’t believe it’d be possible to do in 4 minutes. I’m so sorry, I can’t remember her name, but I greatly appreciate her personal experience.
In addition, it doesn’t take much snow/frozen precip on the road to make it very slick.
Edited to add MOO.

I think it was @HarmonyE.
I don’t understand all the back and forth after the local has weighed in. I trust them to know the streets of their town better than Google.
JMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

I think it was @HarmonyE.
I don’t understand all the back and forth after the local has weighed in. I trust them to know the streets of their town better than Google.
JMO

Yes. I know the routes and none of them are less than 6 minutes in no traffic conditions with no red light stops. Two of the three routes are a minimum of 7 minutes. See Google maps and yes, I've timed myself doing two of them.

She didn't know the roads, it was snowing, and she'd been drinking. I doubt she was bombing down any of these streets at top speed either way, but sure would be nice if LE had even bothered to check business and residential cameras.

And what the heck was that library camera nonsense all about? Sure we'll hear more about that soon too.

 

[Tortoise]

The CW has not offered up any evidence to prove that John was hit by a car. Initially, Karen thought she or a plow may have hit him because he was missing and she was just throwing out possibilities, due to panic.
ETA: Moo.

They haven't got to the accident reconstruction/Lexus data/medical evidence/taillight evidence yet.

But the evidence is stronger than Karen thought she had hit him just because he was missing. She knew where to expect to find him, and it was exactly where she'd left him, near the flagpole, on the side of the road, outside 34 Fairview. MOO

These are her words shown in court today:


Defendant’s Interview with ID Docuseries

April 13, 2024

Clip 16

Karen Read: "I was with Jen McCabe and Kerry Roberts in Kerry Roberts’s Ford Explorer, and I’m in the back, leaning over the front two seats, Kerry’s driving and Jen’s in the passenger seat, and uh, I, I’ve described this to everyone, so you’ve probably heard this before, but John looked like a buffalo on the prairie, it was just a lawn and a heap that wasn’t a bush or a hydrant or a dog, it was, it was a weird shaped lump at that time in those elements. And I was looking to find him on the side of the road, I was expecting I’d find him and the fear of what I was gonna see is the worst feeling I’ve ever experienced, the anticipation of what, what is a [waiting ?] was as extreme a feeling, was as extreme a feeling as the grief of realizing what happened to him."

Timestamp 6.25.15

Corroborated by Ian Whiffin, Cellebrite expert:

Q. Do you have an opinion on where John O’Keefe’s cell phone was from around 12.24.33 on the evening of January 29th 2022 through at least 6am and after that morning?

A. Yes, based on the totality of all of the information that we’ve described, my opinion is that the device never moved far away from the flagpole.

Timestamp 3.50.34

 

[cocomod]

She said the same thing when the CW was presenting texts so in this case I’m relieved to say impartial.

There are many, many attorneys online saying otherwise. I trust their knowledge of the justice system and in my own eyes, she has been and continues to be extremely bias. Judges in most court rooms do not object for the prosecution. Judges in most courtrooms say why the objection is sustained. Judges in most court rooms don’t roll their eyes at the defense attorneys and cut them off as they are questioning a witness that is obviously lying.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Corroborated by Ian Whiffin, Cellebrite expert:

Q. Do you have an opinion on where John O’Keefe’s cell phone was from around 12.24.33 on the evening of January 29th 2022 through at least 6am and after that morning?

A. Yes, based on the totality of all of the information that we’ve described, my opinion is that the device never moved far away from the flagpole.

Timestamp 3.50.34

And yet he admitted on cross this time that it was possible the phone was indeed in the house.

Reasonable doubt right there.

 

[Tortoise]

And yet he admitted on cross this time that it was possible the phone was indeed in the house.

Reasonable doubt right there.

I don't agree it is reasonable doubt, because it's based on more than just location data, it's the high and low accuracy of the data with the high accuracy data being consistently closest to the flagpole where it was found, the battery temperature getting consistently colder and never moving into a warmer environment, the phone camera being covered for that entire period, the non-response to texts and calls, and the absence of health data after 12.32 am. MOO

 

[Snoods]

There are many, many attorneys online saying otherwise. I trust their knowledge of the justice system and in my own eyes, she has been and continues to be extremely bias. Judges in most court rooms do not object for the prosecution. Judges in most courtrooms say why the objection is sustained. Judges in most court rooms don’t roll their eyes at the defense attorneys and cut them off as they are questioning a witness that is obviously lying.

Coco I agree with you completely! It was just that one tiny instance in which she was impartial. She gave the jury the same “don’t treat these texts as the truth” statement for both the CW and the defense.

Edit: Thinking about it I don’t even know if it would be considered impartiality. Consider it one small instance in which she was not able to get away with her usual breathtakingly biased treatment of the defense.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I must say that it feels safer and more comfortable without Paul O'Keefe sitting right up front staring down Karen Read, her lawyers and the jury constantly. I don't think he likes being relegated to the back row.

I found him distracting and bit scary.