MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #23 Retrial

[Snoop Sister]

Did you watch the first trial?

The glass found at the scene had no connection to the glass John left the bar with. Probably old glass from some other event that happened near the road. Fairview is a busy road.

The taillight is of course a much longer story. One we're going to hear lots about. But Jen flatly lied (again) yesterday when she said she knew Nicole and her family were safe because she saw taillight next to John's body.

Nope. The Canton police didn't find a speck of taillight that morning. Even using a leaf blower to search the area around his body.

Do have a link re the glass as I thought it was the same glass he left the with? Thanks

 

[rescuemom]

I should go watch the juror interview. I believe Karen Read is innocent and I appreciate Turtleboy is furthering her case in the media, but he’s below my standard of behavior. I’ve avoided watching anything with him but it probably would be useful info.

I know nothing about TB. He has more of a schock jock mentality IMO. He's building his 'brand' but he also is on to something within the community that he feels is very, very wrong and someone is trying to stop him. I think there is some truth to what he has found about this case and maybe for other things too, Idk

 

[Snoods]

I don’t believe for a second it was unlocked but she couldn’t say they let her in because that would admit that they weren’t sleeping and instead were peeking out watching the scene.

I think you’re right. Didn’t she say it was in case their kids lost their keys? So lame. Psst Alberts’, here’s a secret: You can leave a spare key hidden outside. You’re welcome!

 

[HarmonyE.]

Do have a link re the glass as I thought it was the same glass he left the with? Thanks

No. It was part of the trial. A small shard of glass was found in Read's bumper. The CW tried to claim this was proof that glass found on the lawn was connected to this shard. They were unable to do so. It was a different type of glass altoghether.

Further, the glass found on the lawn was from multiple sources and could not be connected to the type of glass he left with.

Again, the Albert lawn is adjacent to busy street. Glass could have been there for years. The Alberts did not appear to be avid gardeners from the looks of their lawn in photos.

What IS important is that the Canton police - when there was only a couple of inches of snow on the ground and using a blower - could not find a single piece of bright red light taillight that morning. But they did find some unrelated clear glass. Can't fathom how they'd have missed those 40 odd pieces that turned up after disgraced Trooper Proctor got her car to the Canton sallyport.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Me thinks she doesn't give a flippin' nothin' about JOK or his family.

Just like she hid nothing from the FBI. Really. You can't tell me that wasn't a calculated move.

 

[Snoods]

I do think some of her so called “lies” are a result of memory problems due to the

I do think some of her so called “lies” are a result of memory problems due to complex trauma. Furthermore, I believe she is reliving some of the trauma while in the witness box. Additionally, it is my opinion that she did very well as a witness for someone who experienced what she did and and the fact that she has been constantly harassed as a result of her assertions. This is my opinion and I am aware it is not a popular opinion, but it is what it is.

I respect this is your opinion, but why doesn’t she have complex trauma when answering the CW’s questions? In that case she remembers everything he asks her down to the seconds. It could be that she is extremely well-rehearsed, but I don’t know.

 

[Snoods]

Me thinks she doesn't give a flippin' nothin' about JOK or his family.

I agree. Nowhere in any of their messages did they express sympathy for the kids or his family, or wonder what they could do to help the kids. They were joking about missing a football game because of the police asking Kerri questions.

 

[lohrtabitha]

She did hit something JOK's car. There is video of it, and the event was not in the Alberts yard and prior to that her light was not broken but John was already laid out in the yard.

The entire story about the tail light IS crap and that evidence from the light had to have beem planted. IMO. I think that has been proven. You can prove that by what is know factually already with video to validate it.

Yes and then Jen lied yesterday saying she saw pieces of taillights at that scene. That taillight was intact. That ring cam video proves it. The pieces were convienantly placed there later. There is no doubt in my mind about that.

 

[Snoods]

I think if Jen was in fact giving any means looks, it was the result of Jacksons’s bullish like behaviour and continually repeating himself in hopes of getting the answers he wanted or tripping up the witness. I was delighted to see her hold her own. IMO of course.

He wasn’t being bullish, he was trying to get her to admit she is giving completely different answers to what she said in the last trial and to the grand jury. How else should he handle this? Meekly let her lies go without question?

It’s not tripping up a witness, it’s getting her to admit that she is giving completely different answers. She is looking at a copy of her previous testimony right in front of her face and still dances around it.

 

[Forest_Wood]

The Canton town IT guy also testified that the CD Lally handed to him as evidence was NOT the same CD he handed over to law enforcement.

Would you know the IT guy's name? I'd like to search to watch that testimony from Trial 1.

 

[keek]

He wasn’t being bullish, he was trying to get her to admit she is giving completely different answers to what she said in the last trial and to the grand jury. How else should he handle this? Meekly let her lies go without question?

It’s not tripping up a witness, it’s getting her to admit that she is giving completely different answers. She is looking at a copy of her previous testimony right in front of her face and still won’t admit she said it.

Refusing to incriminate herself, once more. IMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

Yes and then Jen lied yesterday saying she saw pieces of taillights at that scene. That taillight was intact. That ring cam video proves it. The pieces were convienantly placed there later. There is no doubt in my mind about that.

One of her biggest lies yet. And so easily provable because none of the Canton cops who searched the area found any taillight near John's body.

I don't understand how anyone can defend this awful woman, never mind take her endless lies seriously.

 

[Snoods]

Yes and then Jen lied yesterday saying she saw pieces of taillights at that scene. That taillight was intact. That ring cam video proves it. The pieces were convienantly placed there later. There is no doubt in my mind about that.

I gasped when she said that! Perfect example of how her memories have become new and improved this trial.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I am actually verified here in trauma. I did not see a trauma response in her at all. I saw evasiveness, contempt, and I am smarter than you. I didn't see memory lapses. She was defiant. Someone with true trauma memory lapses would not act this way. They would normally draw into themselves, be tearful, be mad at themselves for not remembering, be sincerely apologetic, etc. She was not those things. The last thing they would be is the things she was emoting. That is just not how trauma response presents. They are normally very embarrassed when they cannot remember. They can even just shut down.

ETA: She would not be in such a hot seat, if she would tell the truth and not have so many inconsistencies. Jackson could not try to trip her up or catch her in lies if her story stayed consistent.

If she is dealing with the result of such complex trauma she could have brought a support person with her and she could have asked the court for a break when things were getting too overwhelming for her so that she could ground herself again in hopes that her memory would return in a better state once she was out of fight or flight. However, I think that she was in a constant state of fight or flight because she had to be constantly worried about being tripped up. You could see her being hyper vigilant with her eyes, trying to prepare for what would be thrown at her next instead of trying to keep calm and just tell the truth.

There is no normalized reaction to any kind trauma. And, especially not to complex trauma. Everyone reacts differently, there is no right or normal way to react. (Trauma 101) Memories come and go and change and yet others are suppressed for ever. I personally am not comfortable making any kind of definitive inference or assumptions about Jen and whether her memory loss or memory changes are a result of trauma without talking to her personally, getting more background info and a complete intake.
However, what I said was I “THINK” that her memory issues are the result of complex trauma. I did NOT say definitively that they were. I am not verified on this site so I can’t really go any further in this discussion. Not that it really matters, but I am a certified Trauma Therapist/Specialist in both the US and Canada.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Out of interest as I'd like to see where some people are with this...
For those who believe Karen had no involvement in John's death, what do you believe happened? And what evidence supports your theory? TIA.

(I ask this as someone who doesn't believe she was involved/if she was the CW have even began trying to prove it). Jmo.

I came into this trial partway through the first trial and I didn’t like her, didn’t like FKR and didn’t think cops would do what AJ accused them of doing. When Brian Albert testified, at first I thought he stayed inside because being a cop, he knew it was important not to involve himself in the investigation because it all happened at his house and on his property. But when I realized he just didn’t come out, I started changing my mind. Throw in all the butt dials between he and Higgins, then one person after another saying they couldn’t remember this, that and the other, I became angry. When they showed a picture of John’s arm, the first thing that came to mind was dog bites or scratches. Chloe vanished to a “farm”. The inverted sallyport video they tried to pass off as being normal. Proctor and his disgusting texts. Experts saying John didn’t have broken bones yet he had a blow to the back of the head that an expert said would have immobilized him when it happened. Those are the things I can think of but there are so many other things. I think the families and friends of whoever did this are protecting the person or persons who did this and it’s so unfair to the memory of JOK. Moo.

 

[shotgun09]

One of her biggest lies yet. And so easily provable because none of the Canton cops who searched the area found any taillight near John's body.

I don't understand how anyone can defend this awful woman, never mind take her endless lies seriously.

Yeppers! That lie ^^^^ as well as the whopper of the FBI ending with her getting a' big thank you card ' ( Not really said but might as well have said it ) for all her help in their investigation. Just utter nonsense !

Put yerself up dere on da throne dere did ya Jen?

smh

 

[lohrtabitha]

Yes and then Jen lied yesterday saying she saw pieces of taillights at that scene. That taillight was intact. That ring cam video proves it. The pieces were convienantly placed there later. There is no doubt in my mind about that.

Newsnation video doorbell cam proves Karen Reads innocence.

 

[rescuemom]

I am actually verified here in trauma. I did not see a trauma response in her at all. I saw evasiveness, contempt, and I am smarter than you. I didn't see memory lapses. She was defiant. Someone with true trauma memory lapses would not act this way. They would normally draw into themselves, be tearful, be mad at themselves for not remembering, be sincerely apologetic, etc. She was not those things. The last thing they would be is the things she was emoting. That is just not how trauma response presents. They are normally very embarrassed when they cannot remember. They can even just shut down.

ETA: She would not be in such a hot seat, if she would tell the truth and not have so many inconsistencies. Jackson could not try to trip her up or catch her in lies if her story stayed consistent.

If she is dealing with the result of such complex trauma she could have brought a support person with her and she could have asked the court for a break when things were getting too overwhelming for her so that she could ground herself again in hopes that her memory would return in a better state once she was out of fight or flight. However, I think that she was in a constant state of fight or flight because she had to be constantly worried about being tripped up. You could see her being hyper vigilant with her eyes, trying to prepare for what would be thrown at her next instead of trying to keep calm and just tell the truth.

I totally agree with you! I was a victim advocate for both Domestic Violence and Rape Crisis many years ago. I saw trauma and the results from it, especially shortly after the incident happened and then later when facing the abuser or rapist in court. Then in helping them rid themselves of any guilt or denial that they put upon themselves for the incident happening in the first place. Then trying to not relive it and then put their life back together.

IMO, if Jen Mccabe was traumatized at all it was from being present in a family member's home when and where a man supposedly her friend was murdered by one or more people she knows or is very close to her. But she shows none of this. No one involved shows this. Not to mention living with the guilt in agreeing to protect those people and frame someone else. It's business as usual.

Her personality, IMO is in enjoying the rush, attention and recognition in that of the savior. Even though I don't think she thought she would be in this position. Whatever that is called. I worked with victims not perpetrators or accomplices and she is that.

 

[rescuemom]

A few questions for the die hards:
1.) Was it ever explained why the door bell camera footage from the cop who lived across the street wasn't available?
2.) Was it ever explained why the door bell camera footage from JOKs house was missing?
3.) Was it ever explained why the camera footage from the library was missing?
4.) Is it true that there are parts of the sallyport video that are missing?

TIA

Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Yes.

 

[Snoods]

Yeppers! That lie ^^^^ as well as the whopper of the FBI ending with her getting a' big thank you card ' ( Not really said but might as well have said it ) for all her help in their investigation. Just utter nonsense !

Put yerself up dere on da throne dere did ya Jen?

smh

And then everyone clapped for her! Barf.