MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #23 Retrial

[Tortoise]

KRoberts admitted she didn’t testify truthfully to the GJ.

Unintentionally. Context of testimony matters a great deal, in discussion, but is so often missed out. IMO

Kerry Roberts could have lied, if she was so inclined, and testified at trial that she did hear Karen saying that. But she hasn't. I find her completely credible.

 

[lohrtabitha]

How does she remember that????

Is there such a thing as selective memory like there is selective hearing?

 

[Gerald12]

I should go watch the juror interview. I believe Karen Read is innocent and I appreciate Turtleboy is furthering her case in the media, but he’s below my standard of behavior. I’ve avoided watching anything with him but it probably would be useful info.

The interview is with Turtleboy, you could watch the Lawyer You Know show where he comments and analyses it. It's quite long but titled into shorter chapters in the time progress bar on the bottom.

 

[rescuemom]

JMc is trying her hardest to remain calm and detached. LOL. I wonder if she took a valium to help her get through her testimony today. She's in slow motion. No more big smiles and trying to use her feminine charm with AJ today. She's subdued.
MOO

AJ almost got her to the point that she could not hide the real JM. His plan I assume. The first day, she looked fresh and put together. By day 3 she looked like Jen from T1. I'm sure that she and everyone else who will soon be on the hot seat went over and over what she said that jammed her up and now they will go through the same thing. Wonder if AJ will call her as a defense witness and go through it again. I love my family but at some point I would probly cave and beg for immunity. All JMO.

 

[Angelwatch]

The interview is with Turtleboy, you could watch the Lawyer You Know show where he comments and analyses it. It's quite long but titled into shorter chapters in the time progress bar on the bottom.

Thank you! LYK is one of the more balanced legal commentators on this trial.

 

[Derph]

How would you like to get grilled over and over again by Jackson? Having your words switched around and asked the same question twenty different ways.

Well if she had kept to a single story she wouldn't have to be grilled over and over again. Her lies came so easily to her that she immediately lied to the FBI on 1st contact!! She's lied so many times in multiple trials and Grand Juries that there is no way to know when or if she is telling the truth. Watch any police interrogation video and you will see different detectives ask the same questions over and over and over again. Why? Because that is how they get to the truth! When stories change every time they are told, that is an indication that someone is lying. If a person is telling the truth the story should never change. jen mcabe lied so many times, to so many different people that I doubt even she knows the truth anymore! Jackson had no choice but to go after her because she was lying over and over and over again. Her pathetic need to see what she said was an obvious attempt to make sure she got her lies straight.

And make no mistake, it is because of jen mcabe that KR is on trial. Her version of things and her manipulations of the truth led police to charge KR with murder. Jackson had to go hard at her in order to show the jury that mcabe's lies are what put Karen Read on trial.

As far as her being a solid witness are you kidding me? EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY is wrong according to her. Let's see, of the top of my head,

She blamed her phone for consistently making phone calls and texts ON IT'S OWN!!
She blamed trooper proctor for not taking proper notes and writing things down properly.
She said officer Lank was wrong
She said officer Tully was wrong
Cellebrite data is wrong until she needs it to help her cause, then it's right.
Apple data is wrong
Kerry Roberts is wrong
Google is wrong
Verizon is wrong
Axiom is wrong
The court reporters from the Grand Jury were wrong
The forensic evidence is wrong
The weatherman is wrong
Life 360 is wrong
The FBI was wrong until jen spoke to them and now they are RIGHT and owed a debit of gratitude to her.
All clocks on all devices are wrong. Only her own internal clock is right, ALL. The. Time!


I can go on and on. Just looking at all the polls yesterday and today about how jen did on the stand the overwhelming consensus is running about 90/10 in favor of her being horrible. Personally, I don't see how anyone in their right mind would think that jen was being a beacon of truth. What she displayed the last 3 days on the stand was textbook narcissism and manipulation. She came off as a vicious, ugly person who lies just as easily as she blinks her eyes. She could not just answer a simple question. She had to orate and craft her words in a way that made her look good and to make excuses for all of her lies. I said it earlier in the thread yesterday. If I had just walked in out of the cold without knowing a single thing about this case and saw jen mcabe's testimony, I would convict her of murder. She was THAT bad!!

 

[Forest_Wood]

Wonder if AJ will call her as a defense witness and go through it again.

That would be fascinating!

 

[jepop]

Is there such a thing as selective memory like there is selective hearing?

Idk, that may be a feature of trauma for some. However, I don't see that JMc needs a high level of overthinking here. And I wonder if the the jury would really get all caught up in trying to analyse her alleged trauma?

As far as her testimony goes in regard to potential to generate doubt, it's occam's razor imo; she shiftily denied prior statements (many made under oath) multiple times, she was difficult on the stand, she behaved like she had something to hide, she came across as spiteful, obnoxious and guilty ( of something,). I think AJ demonstrated very effectively that this witness was being deceptive. If the jury were paying attention then moo her credibility is very likely shot to permanently. Jmo

 

[waldojabba]

Her words were never switched around by Jackson. She switched them around if they were.

During the last day of her testimony and much of the other time, Jackson was reading her words directly from prior testimoneys - so it would be hard to switch words around. (She even refused to look at her testimonies on occassion). The uncomfortable part for me was her jiving and shucking/acting evasively - doing anything she could to avoid answering questions
The "witness" many times said she never said that- many different LE got it all wrong. Wonder why that was not addressed in the first trial or Grand Jury etc.
Her story has..... evolved.
If this were a few weeks after the incident - okay she was under stress and forgot to tell LE etc -
We are at the second trial - she is now crafting her "story" the way she wants it to appear. And she is not believable.
Did you see her on the dash cams that morning of the incident - she spent a significant time getting her version out to the LE bc of course she knew what happened (eyeroll). She was very animated/arms flailing and quite the talker to anyone with a badge.
We all know women like her - Unfortunately. All sweetness and light seemingly on the outside and all up to satans biz on the inside. Thats just how I see it
JMO

 

[Tortoise]

I can go on and on. Just looking at all the polls yesterday and today about how jen did on the stand the overwhelming consensus is running about 90/10 in favor of her being horrible.

RSBM

I personally don't pay any attention to the polls. One never knows how many participants started watching trial with their mind already made up (bias), whether people with opposite opinions chose not to hang out with those crowds/channels so much. Birds of a feather flock together, as the saying goes. There was a huge crowd supporting Richard Allen in the Delphi murder case, including defense lawyers with massive followings on their YouTube channels, but the jury convicted.

JMO

 

[Snoop Sister]

RSBM

I personally don't pay any attention to the polls. One never knows how many participants started watching trial with their mind already made up (bias), whether people with opposite opinions chose not to hang out with those crowds/channels so much. Birds of a feather flock together, as the saying goes. There was a huge crowd supporting Richard Allen in the Delphi murder case, including defense lawyers with massive followings on their YouTube channels, but the jury convicted.

JMO

Exactly! I don’t pay attention to the polls either. I have followed the Karen read case since the beginning prior to the first trial. However, I don’t post often anywhere due to the backlash. Definitely, a wide group of supporters.

 

[rebelchild]

But there's nothing contradictory about her statement? She saw a 6 foot mound of snow that looked out of place in the yard ... Kerry didn't see it at first because her focus was looking ahead on driving. Kerry saw the mound of snow once she focused in on it. I'm sure John was not entirely covered by snow either. I am picturing a long mound with dimpled areas of other colors from his clothes that were not fully covered, such as his feet sticking up.

bbm .. The question in my mind would be how would she know what looked out of place in a yard that she wasn't familiar with?

 

[Marah]

THAT The 5:07 AM call to Nicole Albert changes EVERYTHING

What does it change? Please explain!

 

[susane7]

RSBM

I personally don't pay any attention to the polls. One never knows how many participants started watching trial with their mind already made up (bias), whether people with opposite opinions chose not to hang out with those crowds/channels so much. Birds of a feather flock together, as the saying goes. There was a huge crowd supporting Richard Allen in the Delphi murder case, including defense lawyers with massive followings on their YouTube channels, but the jury convicted.

JMO

Also in the Court tv polls the "non guilty" for Richard Allen always won (I think it was something like 70% non guilty in the Richard Allen) case but the jury still convicted (thankfully). Most people on the internet and the law tubers, Court Tv etc loved the ridiculous odinist conspiracy theory lol (because it was more interesting than the reality and gave more money, followers and likes IMO)

I guess most people who vote in those polls already has a bias about the cases. I doubt the polls are representative of neutral jurors.

 

[rescuemom]

Now AJ is talking to JM about her phone calls with JOK the night of his death. The calls ranged from 12:14 AM to 12:50 AM.
12:14 - JM calls JOK - answered - call lasts 49 seconds.
12:18:47 - JOK calls JM - answered - call lasts 36 seconds.
12:29:44 - JM calls JOK - answered - call lasted 7 seconds. JM denies THIS call, although she does not deny the other 2.
12:41:10 - JM calls JOK - missed
12:41:59 - JM calls JOK - missed
12:43:19 - JM calls JOK - missed
12:46:16 - JM calls JOK - missed
12:47:52 - JM calls JOK - missed
12:50:47 - JM calls JOK - missed

Why call him SEVEN times? Also, I believe this puts to rest whether or not the call went through, since the record is showing which calls were answered and which were missed. MOO though. So why acknowledge 12:14 and 12:18 but deny the 12:27 call?

Why call him SEVEN times? Also, I believe this puts to rest whether or not the call went through, since the record is showing which calls were answered and which were missed. MOO though. So why acknowledge 12:14 and 12:18 but deny the 12:27 call?

Trying to locate JOKs phone??????

 

[angelainwi]

I do think some of her so called “lies” are a result of memory problems due to the

I do think some of her so called “lies” are a result of memory problems due to complex trauma. Furthermore, I believe she is reliving some of the trauma while in the witness box. Additionally, it is my opinion that she did very well as a witness for someone who experienced what she did and and the fact that she has been constantly harassed as a result of her assertions. This is my opinion and I am aware it is not a popular opinion, but it is what it is.

I am actually verified here in trauma. I did not see a trauma response in her at all. I saw evasiveness, contempt, and I am smarter than you. I didn't see memory lapses. She was defiant. Someone with true trauma memory lapses would not act this way. They would normally draw into themselves, be tearful, be mad at themselves for not remembering, be sincerely apologetic, etc. She was not those things. The last thing they would be is the things she was emoting. That is just not how trauma response presents. They are normally very embarrassed when they cannot remember. They can even just shut down.

ETA: She would not be in such a hot seat, if she would tell the truth and not have so many inconsistencies. Jackson could not try to trip her up or catch her in lies if her story stayed consistent.

If she is dealing with the result of such complex trauma she could have brought a support person with her and she could have asked the court for a break when things were getting too overwhelming for her so that she could ground herself again in hopes that her memory would return in a better state once she was out of fight or flight. However, I think that she was in a constant state of fight or flight because she had to be constantly worried about being tripped up. You could see her being hyper vigilant with her eyes, trying to prepare for what would be thrown at her next instead of trying to keep calm and just tell the truth.

 

[mzmarymac]

A few questions for the die hards:
1.) Was it ever explained why the door bell camera footage from the cop who lived across the street wasn't available?
2.) Was it ever explained why the door bell camera footage from JOKs house was missing?
3.) Was it ever explained why the camera footage from the library was missing?
4.) Is it true that there are parts of the sallyport video that are missing?

TIA

 

[rescuemom]

Jackson's line of questioning is not effective.

Imo, he is wasting time. We want to see ADA Brennan (at least I do ) If you watch a lot of trials, you want to see great lawyering. ADA Brennan is masterful, articulate, commands the courtroom. The jurors are listening and paying attention when he is speaking.

Jackson is winning the case for the CW. Jurors still remember how often Jackson stated the other day in court I hit him, I hit him....

Gee... moo

Jackson??? Jackson said There was no collision, There was no collision, There was no collision.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Th

A few questions for the die hards:
1.) Was it ever explained why the door bell camera footage from the cop who lived across the street wasn't available?
2.) Was it ever explained why the door bell camera footage from JOKs house was missing?
3.) Was it ever explained why the camera footage from the library was missing?
4.) Is it true that there are parts of the sallyport video that are missing?

TIA

Would you elaborate on the missing camera footage from the library? I am not familiar with that.

 

[rescuemom]

But of course the judge is coming to rescue to help JM evade that line of questioning.

I've never seen a judge be so vocal in a trial, never mind helpful for the prosecution. I hope the FBI is still watching