MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #24 Retrial

[MerlinFalcon]

She said that happened when they were in the police cruiser

Right. But were any of the various “how long to die” searches made during the times the camera was recording? She was outside of the cruiser after 6 am.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Alessi brought up parts of Ms Hyde’s own previous testimony: ‘We cannot tell by this particular artifact what time that search occurred.’ ‘I don’t know exactly what caused the tab to get that particular entry’

 

[Wishbone]

Had to look up what they are discussing...am posting it here for those that find it of benefit.


Cellebrite
https://cellebrite.com › glossary › parsing-mobile-devic...
Parsing is the process of taking the readable data (after any necessary decoding or decryption) and organising it into a neat, usable format.

https://cellebrite.com/en/glossary/parsing-mobile-device-forensics/

 

[sunshineray]

The expert who had her testimony thrown out in another case?

The expert that Cellibrite had to change their forensic software for because of his misinterpretation of that data, in the KR trial.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

YEs and Keefe is getting so defensive to answer basic questions! He didn't remember being a part of that interview with Sarah Levinson ... did Proctor just add his name without him even being there to show he was not alone during the interview? Probably not, but why can't Keefe remember ... and why has he gotten so defensive for no good reason ...

Yes @Forest_Wood wouldn’t doubt that at all IMO.

And don’t forget in trial one IIRC, that Sergeant Bukhenik had to admit on the record that several bags of collected evidence in the case had been labeled as having been collected and identified by ‘Bukhenik’ - when in fact they had been collected by trooper proctor.

SMH. Chain of custody and evidence collection techniques…… sure hope that also comes into the second trial too. MOO

 

[sunshineray]

Exactly! I agree she presented very well but imo she appeared very nervous on the stand. Data proves it! Nice try defense.

I think that was just her personality, her eye movements at first when talking about herself, her credentials. Once that was over she settled into it very well.

 

[sunshineray]

Alessi just mentioned location history - EXACTLY what Ms. Hyde got excluded from in the MD trial.

He is sooo obviously unprepared and to hide it he just gets louder. I haven't seen him make any points for the defense at all. All he's done is try to breath fire and nothing of substance is actuallycoming out to impeach her direct testimony. Just a lot of nothing from the defense.
AJMO

 

[Anniesflowers]

I think there is ample evidence she hit him, less so the frame by frame of how it happened and led to those specific injuries. There are tail light pieces from her car at the scene, a broken drinking glass, him knocked out of his shoe, tail light pieces on his shirt, his DNA on her car, GPS data showing he never moved after she left, and her admitting to multiple people she might have hit him.

Did they ever find his second shoe? Was he still wearing it?

 

[Wishbone]

Hyde is sounding very short and interrupting Alessi.

From an entry Hyde made, the steps recorded on John’s phone ended 12:32:16.

Even after being told the reason for one person speaking at a time she continues to try to talk over Alessi.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Did they ever find his second shoe? Was he still wearing it?

They found it in the snow. I believe AJ said it was tested and there was dna of 5 males in that shoe.

 

[Anniesflowers]

Exactly! I agree she presented very well but imo she appeared very nervous on the stand. Data proves it! Nice try defense.

I use my iPhone all day long. I have windows (tabs) open from at least a year ago, I’m horrible about closing them. Does that mean if today I opened up one of my old tabs and did a search, the date of my search would be from a year ago? Im not being snarky, I’m genuinely interested in the answer. How could courts ever use searches as evidence if we can’t confirm when the actual search was done?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Ms. Hyde cannot testify as to whether JOK’s phone was stored in a faraday bag/box or airplane mode, as are best practices by her own definition.

Alessi points out that there is health data activity until noon 1/29. Hyde says it would continue to be reported because the phone was being moved.

Alessi: Howabout location data? Hyde says it’s unlikely that location data would continue to be recorded in a faraday bag or box.

There is incoming data consistent with the device not being Faraday’d, Hyde says. Including SMS and Ring notifications.

Alessi is driving home that LE did not use best practices to store John’s phone.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I use my iPhone all day long. I have windows (tabs) open from at least a year ago, I’m horrible about closing them. Does that mean if today I opened up one of my old tabs and did a search, the date of my search would be from a year ago? Im not being snarky, I’m genuinely interested in the answer. How could courts ever use searches as evidence if we can’t confirm when the actual search was done?

That’s what I was thinking!!!! Don’t Ms. Hyde’s assertions mean that any search used as evidence in ANY case is under question?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Even after being told the reason for one person speaking at a time she continues to try to talk over Alessi.

And turning to the jury and saying ‘so the line of thinking here is…’ ‘the assumption here is…’ to try to get out in front of Alessi.

 

[nodamselindistress]

I use my iPhone all day long. I have windows (tabs) open from at least a year ago, I’m horrible about closing them. Does that mean if today I opened up one of my old tabs and did a search, the date of my search would be from a year ago? Im not being snarky, I’m genuinely interested in the answer. How could courts ever use searches as evidence if we can’t confirm when the actual search was done?

Try it and let us know! An experiment, if you will

 

[Anniesflowers]

That’s what I was thinking!!!! Don’t Ms. Hyde’s assertions mean that any search used as evidence in ANY case is under question?

I’m so glad I’m not alone!

 

[mrjitty]

I use my iPhone all day long. I have windows (tabs) open from at least a year ago, I’m horrible about closing them. Does that mean if today I opened up one of my old tabs and did a search, the date of my search would be from a year ago? Im not being snarky, I’m genuinely interested in the answer. How could courts ever use searches as evidence if we can’t confirm when the actual search was done?

Many searches are done using Google chrome or while logged into a google account in which case your searches may be saved depending on your privacy settings.

IOS does not spy on you nearly so much as android/chrome.

Personally I use chrome on IOS and save my search history in my google account.

remember the vast majority of phones are android. So it really depends on personal hardware and software.

IMO.

 

[Anniesflowers]

Try it and let us know! An experiment, if you will

Sure! How do I extract the search time, though?

 

[BUF]

My goodness….took a while to get there, but Alessi finally got that information out!

Ms. Hyde cannot testify as to whether JOK’s phone was stored in a faraday bag/box or airplane mode, as are best practices by her own definition.

Alessi points out that there is health data activity until noon 1/29. Hyde says it would continue to be reported because the phone was being moved.

Alessi: Howabout location data? Hyde says it’s unlikely that location data would continue to be recorded in a faraday bag or box.

There is incoming data consistent with the device not being Faraday’d, Hyde says. Including SMS and Ring notifications.

Alessi is driving home that LE did not use best practices to store John’s phone.

 

[BUF]

And turning to the jury and saying ‘so the line of thinking here is…’ ‘the assumption here is…’ to try to get out in front of Alessi.

It’s like she wants to see the jury’s reaction