GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[Sweeper2000]

This is potentially a big deal.

"The nurse’s lawyers uncovered the waterborne bacterium – stenotrophomonas maltophilia – in the endotracheal tube of Baby I in February last year."

Verifying Device

On reading the full article it doesn't sound particularly strong. I also have no idea how they found it so many years after. I also don't understand the logic when they say it may have "blocked" a baby breathing tube. It's microscopic so presumably won't? I also don't understand the logic when infection was so thoroughly ruled out. Does anyone remember if an infection expert was used by the prosecution?

The article is in reference to "baby I" which she was convicted for and was charged with injecting air and milk.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Just a quick run-down on baby I. Was given antibiotics and she did not respond to them, blood culture's came back negative for infection or no growth of them, nymerous episodic events from her with periods of stability inbetween, sudden and acute episodes and no signs of infection.

I don't know I'm no expert but does presence of the bacteria on her breathing tube mean infection? They say correlation does not equal causation.

 

[CatsnChickens]

Stenotrophomonas maltophilia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It can exist on breathing tubes but doesn't seem to be that prevalent

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2016499534495465910

"Expert claims ​

infection that killed three babies in Glasgow ​

is linked to death she was convicted of."​

 

[Sweeper2000]

Stenotrophomonas maltophilia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It can exist on breathing tubes but doesn't seem to be that prevalent

Interesting. From the same wiki.

Stenotrophomonas maltophilia IS NOT a virulent organism and removal of the infected prosthesis IS frequently sufficient to cure the infection; antibiotics are only required if the prosthesis cannot be removed. Many strains of S. maltophilia are sensitive to co-trimoxazole and ticarcillin, though resistance has been increasing.<a href="Stenotrophomonas maltophilia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>19<span>]</span></a> It is usually susceptible to piperacillin and ceftazidime.<a href="Stenotrophomonas maltophilia - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>20<span>]</span></a> Tigecycline is also an effective drug. Polymyxin B may be effective treatment, at least in vitro, though not without frequent adverse effects.

 

[Baileyboo]

Just a quick run-down on baby I. Was given antibiotics and she did not respond to them, blood culture's came back negative for infection or no growth of them, nymerous episodic events from her with periods of stability inbetween, sudden and acute episodes and no signs of infection.

I don't know I'm no expert but does presence of the bacteria on her breathing tube mean infection? They say correlation does not equal causation.

Dr Hall mentioned this on the Panoroma documentary, Shoo Lee's report said it why she dies. Dr Hall said the infection was found six weeks before her death, she then didn't need the breathing tube, and he really doesn't think its why she died.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Dr Hall mentioned this on the Panoroma documentary, Shoo Lee's report said it why she dies. Dr Hall said the infection was found six weeks before her death, she then didn't need the breathing tube, and he really doesn't think its why she died.

Oh wait think this is jogging my memory. If that's the case then this would fall very much under the title "old evidence" as many people have said before.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Dr Hall mentioned this on the Panoroma documentary, Shoo Lee's report said it why she dies. Dr Hall said the infection was found six weeks before her death, she then didn't need the breathing tube, and he really doesn't think its why she died.

Interesting that article had a doctor that said its difficult to treat and eradicate. The wiki says taking the infected tube out is often enough to stop it being a problem as it's not a virulent bacteria, does that then mean teh defences case is that it persisted in those six weeks despite observations? Yeh that's weak isn't it. Apparently clinical observations are the gold standard for signs of infection not culture's or anything like that so I don't know I'm no expert but it's not strong is it.

Oooooh I'm wondering if this is just another media grab from MM? I'm guessing yes

 

[Baileyboo]

This is potentially a big deal.

"The nurse’s lawyers uncovered the waterborne bacterium – stenotrophomonas maltophilia – in the endotracheal tube of Baby I in February last year."

Verifying Device

On reading the full article it doesn't sound particularly strong. I also have no idea how they found it so many years after. I also don't understand the logic when they say it may have "blocked" a baby breathing tube. It's microscopic so presumably won't? I also don't understand the logic when infection was so thoroughly ruled out. Does anyone remember if an infection expert was used by the prosecution?

The article is in reference to "baby I" which she was convicted for and was charged with injecting air and milk.

I don't know why the article thinks the discovery of the infection is new evidence - it isn't. It is discussed in the panel of experts report.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I don't know why the article thinks the discovery of the infection is new evidence - it isn't. It is discussed in the panel of experts report.

That's mcdonalds doing isn't it? Hogwash

 

[Baileyboo]

If you ca

Interesting that article had a doctor that said its difficult to treat and eradicate. The wiki says taking the infected tube out is often enough to stop it being a problem as it's not a virulent bacteria, does that then mean teh defences case is that it persisted in those six weeks despite observations? Yeh that's weak isn't it. Apparently clinical observations are the gold standard for signs of infection not culture's or anything like that so I don't know I'm no expert but it's not strong is it.

Oooooh I'm wondering if this is just another media grab from MM? I'm guessing yes

The latest Panoroma episode, has an interview with Dr Hall, who was the defence neonatologist, giving his opinion on the panel of experts report. It was one of the better documentaries, cut through a lot of c*ap.

I think the media are desperate for some new evidence/bombshells.

 

[Dotta]

" 'The Investigation Of Lucy Letby'
will release globally on Netflix on February 4.



Unseen footage of serial baby killer Lucy Letby being arrested in her bed
will be aired as part of a new Netflix documentary into her case.

The 90-minute film,
which will focus on the investigation into her crimes,
will also include clips of the 36-year-old former neo-natal nurse's police interviews,
testimony from senior detectives
and an interview with the mother of one of her victims.



The show will also include clips of the 36-year-old former neo-natal nurse's police interviews.



The film is scheduled to be released globally by Netflix on February 4,
the same day as inquests into the deaths of six of Letby's victims are due to open."

Unseen footage of crying Lucy Letby as she's arrested in bed

The film will also include clips of the 36-year-old former neo-natal nurse's police interviews and testimony from the mother of one of her victims.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Marantz4250b]

This is potentially a big deal.

"The nurse’s lawyers uncovered the waterborne bacterium – stenotrophomonas maltophilia – in the endotracheal tube of Baby I in February last year."

Verifying Device

On reading the full article it doesn't sound particularly strong. I also have no idea how they found it so many years after. I also don't understand the logic when they say it may have "blocked" a baby breathing tube. It's microscopic so presumably won't? I also don't understand the logic when infection was so thoroughly ruled out. Does anyone remember if an infection expert was used by the prosecution?

The article is in reference to "baby I" which she was convicted for and was charged with injecting air and milk.

This is just more of the regular garbage that her "team" feeds to the world, quite fankly.

So, "her lawyers found (did they, them, personally?)" found this bacterium present? It's irrelevant; even if the baby did have this infection and was guaranteed to die from it (which is impossible to prove anyway), Lucy got there first with her own methods.

Complete clap-trap from these people. Utter hogwash!

 

[Marantz4250b]

Oh wait think this is jogging my memory. If that's the case then this would fall very much under the title "old evidence" as many people have said before.

Yes - just like every single other piece of "evidence" they continually trott out!

 

[Sweeper2000]

Yes - just like every single other piece of "evidence" they continually trott out!

What dya reckon M. You think the ccrc will release their verdict soon? I'm really hoping they do because I have not seen anything approaching the level of strength qnecessary to really challenge it. That seems like their hottest piece and it's flimsy. If they had anything better they would have shown it by now no doubt.

 

[joltz]

This is potentially a big deal.

"The nurse’s lawyers uncovered the waterborne bacterium – stenotrophomonas maltophilia – in the endotracheal tube of Baby I in February last year."

Verifying Device

On reading the full article it doesn't sound particularly strong. I also have no idea how they found it so many years after. I also don't understand the logic when they say it may have "blocked" a baby breathing tube. It's microscopic so presumably won't? I also don't understand the logic when infection was so thoroughly ruled out. Does anyone remember if an infection expert was used by the prosecution?

The article is in reference to "baby I" which she was convicted for and was charged with injecting air and milk.

Not a big deal because it was discussed at trial. Evans and Dr Hall agreed it wasn't a factor. Letbys own defense debunked it. It was last identified something like 6 weeks before the baby died. There was no sign of it in post mortem and the baby hadn't been wearing an ETT, where it was originally identified for some time.

This isn't new.

 

[katydid23]

This is potentially a big deal.

"The nurse’s lawyers uncovered the waterborne bacterium – stenotrophomonas maltophilia – in the endotracheal tube of Baby I in February last year."

The way that ^^ is worded, makes it sound like it is new and incriminating evidence.

In reality, the 'nurse's lawyers' did NOT uncover the waterborne bacteria. The doctor's at Chester discovered it, TREATED IT, and did so 6 weeks before the other incidents began. Baby I was retested for it during that time and tested negative.

It is not considered a virulent fatal bacteria and it was treated when first caught.

Verifying Device

On reading the full article it doesn't sound particularly strong. I also have no idea how they found it so many years after. I also don't understand the logic when they say it may have "blocked" a baby breathing tube. It's microscopic so presumably won't? I also don't understand the logic when infection was so thoroughly ruled out. Does anyone remember if an infection expert was used by the prosecution?

The article is in reference to "baby I" which she was convicted for and was charged with injecting air and milk.

 

[SilentHill]

Lucy Letby’s duvet cover seems to depict an image of Eeyore from Whinnie the Pooh in the Netflix trailer. IMO - I find it strange for a grown woman to have.

Well I'm currently wrapped in a Lilo & Stitch blanket when I've never seen it and have no interest in it but it was bought for me at Christmas so I'm using it . I'm also in my early 30's with no children and have loved gaming my whole life so my home is surrounded with items relating to Pokemon, Lego etc. and I probably look a bit childish to some people. I don't think it's strange though or has any link at all to her crimes which I do think she is guilty of, JMO.

 

[Parker Knoll]

We all see things differently and to me it just screams arrested development.

 

[Dotta]

We all see things differently and to me it just screams arrested development.

Really?

But if so...

it often stems from early trauma
and results in stunted emotional regulation, poor decision-making,
and difficulty with adult responsibilities.

But better not to jump to hasty conclusions hahaha

What did MH specialists say about her?
Was she psychologically assessed before the trial?
Was arrested development diagnosed?

JMO