MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #24 Retrial

[Soulmagent]

Oh, not watching just listening right now.

Your missing out,

 

[rescuemom]

Old-fashion New Englander weather has not been just that in more than a decade. People are humans not robots. They can make mistakes, make some poor judgements. That does not mean they're corrupt, being dishonest. You can even have some unlikable personalities within LE, doesn't mean their bad actors planting evidence to frame someone. This case is tragic but simple hit and run, not a complicated wide-spread conspiracy involving, what's the body count now, twenty or so people. AJMO

Body count?? I count just one. Does your 'concession' here include KR???

 

[Soulmagent]

Picture ,you live here and your on the jury waiting to learn something....
about precipitation and snow ,and trying to figure out how this makes the Legal aide looking girl defendant ,a murderer.

 

[Angelwatch]

In my area, LEOs shut down freeways for hours and inconvenience hundreds of people to investigate accidents involving deaths. It is wild that on a quiet street in the early morning hours with the defendant supposedly saying I hit him, very little was done. No measurements, no maps, no photos.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Picture ,you live here and your on the jury waiting to learn something....
about precipitation and snow ,and trying to figure out how this makes the Legal aide looking girl defendant ,a murderer.

If I were a juror I’d be wondering where the heck the forensic evidence was. We’re about 2 weeks in, and no smoking gun.

 

[sunshineray]

This was not a simple hit and run. See ARCCA testimony. JMOO

I have, I disagree. I don't think very highly of those "experts" paid by the defense. The defendant herself lied about even driving there and then, according to various testimonies, admitted she hit JO.

 

[dlsully62]

The pattern of bites on his arm would look different if it was postmortem. As is, the dog bites show an arm the was in a position to fight off the dog. The bites and scratches are trending downward. It didn’t happen postmortem. Not even the CW has thrown this theory out.

ETA: That last sentence came out spicier than I intended. It’s good to ask questions and analyze the scene. Both the CW and the defense are 100% in agreement that the wounds on JOK’s arm are not postmortem.

That makes sense. I had not thought of that.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

In my area, LEOs shut down freeways for hours and inconvenience hundreds of people to investigate accidents involving deaths. It is wild that on a quiet street in the early morning hours with the defendant supposedly saying I hit him, very little was done. No measurements, no maps, no photos.

I got my door knocked on at 2am recently because someone had crashed a stolen car on my street during a chase and fled. I didn’t know the person, and they weren’t expected to be in my home. But the local police still wanted to door knock and see if anyone may know him or have seen him… or if we had SECURITY FOOTAGE! I think it’s laughable for anyone to say LE was thorough in their investigation in the days after John’s death.

 

[Wishbone]

If I were a juror I’d be wondering where the heck the forensic evidence was. We’re about 2 weeks in, and no smoking gun.

So important to know that it was cold and it snowed and I would guess he will say the ground was frozen. JMOO

 

[Soulmagent]

If I were a juror I’d be wondering where the heck the forensic evidence was. We’re about 2 weeks in, and no smoking gun.

How often do meteorologist get called as an expert witness?
I aint never saw it.

 

[Soulmagent]

So important to know that it was cold and it snowed and I would guess he will say the ground was frozen. JMOO

I used to be weirded out about the lawn blower , Now I am happy the guy knew how to use one. Sigh..a long one..

 

[jepop]

We can see how flows downhill here. Pass the buck. Pass the buck. Pass the buck. Now we know why they were all so incompetent because their leaders were!
MOO

Yes, it becomes a cultural thing, an unspoken shared value within that institution. Imo, similar structurally to what we saw in trial x1 as regards misogyny and certain sectors of the MSP.

Tully and Bukhenic's cross examinations exposed a level of acceptance of Proctor's misogyny. I recall AJ showing Bukhenic at least one misogynistic Proctor text that was part of an official investigative exchange, and pointing out Bukhenic's casual 'like'. See cross of Bukenic in trial 1 for source. Jmo

Later, in his cross, Tully claimed he had had a word to Proctor about that specific set of text messages. Might be true, who knows. But he certainly didn't rebuke him in the chat. See cross of Tully in trial 1 for source. Jmo

Similarly, Imo the general incompetence of Canton PD had just become the accepted culture over time. Lazy incompetence becomes the norm. It's a real issue in regards to the proper investigation of JOK's death. Jmo

 

[Wishbone]

I have, I disagree. I don't think very highly of those "experts" paid by the defense. The defendant herself lied about even driving there and then, according to various testimonies, admitted she hit JO.

They were hired and paid by the FBI to do the reconstruction.

 

[Wishbone]

lally and the weather....shades of trial 1, endlessly. JMOO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I have, I disagree. I don't think very highly of those "experts" paid by the defense. The defendant herself lied about even driving there and then, according to various testimonies, admitted she hit JO.

You do realize that they came to their conclusions before they were retained for trial 2, right? And that they have not changed their opinion since the report they released, both to the CW and the defense? Your assertions that they’re somehow crooked or paid for is baseless. Expert witnesses get paid for their time. It’s not a gotcha.

 

[Soulmagent]

They were hired and paid by the FBI to do the reconstruction.

I dont think highly of the FBI, those guys are paid by the public.

/S

 

[mrjitty]

The recovery was testified to by the leader of SERT team O'Hara. The located tail light pieces were photographed in situ by Tully and are in evidence.

It's not clear to me how Proctor could get break out the pieces at the Sally Port, then plant them under the noses of a dozen people for them to find.

Or are you alleging SERT and Tully are in on it? You allege a lot of facts here without links so I can't respond in any more detail I am sorry.

Just noting for future ref, O'Hara arrived on scene at 4.56pm

 

[chigger]

They were hired and paid by the FBI to do the reconstruction.

I don't know how many,many times this has to be stated. It's as people are being obtuse on purpose!

 

[jepop]

The problem with your take is that it treats this case like it’s already been cleanly decided, when it hasn’t. There was a mistrial. The state couldn’t convince twelve jurors beyond a reasonable doubt with all their evidence laid out. That alone should tell you this is not an open-and-shut case.

No one is saying every person involved is a cartoon villain part of a Scooby-Doo gang conspiracy - in fact, that’s a straw man fallacy. What I and many others are saying is that the investigation was botched at best, and at worst, manipulated. When you have deleted texts, late-entered evidence, contradictory statements, and officers admitting under oath they don’t know if their department keeps evidence logs, the issue isn’t just “poor judgment.” It’s incompetence and possible misconduct and deserves to be thoroughly looked into.

This

 

[Soulmagent]

I don't know how many,many times this has to be stated. It's as people are being obtuse on purpose!

I see that. Great observation.