MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #25 Retrial

[Angelwatch]

This guy Brian Higgins is such an idiot! He calls her Babe, and replies with a zillion LOLs like a juvenile, and "don't get your thong...", always telling her she's sensitive when she asks normal questions.

I don't know what she would see in Brian Higgins. He's a big-time drinker too. A lush. Does nothing but go to bars to drink. A big EWWWWWW.

MOO

He's got no game; though, she seems into it.

These people need to find hobbies other than drinking. They might have more diverse conversations.

 

[keek]

I don't think the CW will be calling Higgins this time around, but I'd bet the Defense does.
Anyway, I think I remember BH having to read them our loud in T1, only because it was cringey then, too.
Please correct if I'm mistaken.
Also... ARE WE DONE YET?
IMO.

A SHORT portion of texts were read by Higgins at the first trial. NOT this many 'hours' worth and all these at allllllllll. We got the gyst at the first trial when BH read parts.

 

[Teche]

Wish Yuri would speed-read.

 

[themonk]

I sincerely believe not even the CW thinks KR is responsible for JOK's death in any way.

This is all theater.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Here, as would be known by all these officers and everyone in the state of MA. This was their original plan to cover up the beating and mauling. Sadly, Karen became a better victim to their plot. You will want to read this

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[Maat99]

It makes zero sense to me that a bunch of people, drunk or otherwise, beats a man to death in a basement, and then, instead of trying to hide the body or drive it a long way off and dump it in the woods, decide to carry it outside and dump it in the front yard for all to see.

Do you think the blizzard, cameras and road closures might have had something to do with not wanting to drive around with a dead cop in the car?

 

[Leilei]

Wish Yuri would speed-read.

He doesn't strike me as the speedy type, but yes, he needs to move it along and not pause for effect.
IMO.

 

[Maat99]

I sincerely believe not even the CW thinks KR is responsible for JOK's death in any way.

This is all theater.

I agree. It’s all about demonstrating that people better not fight their trumped up charges or else they will make it worse for you.

 

[Leilei]

A SHORT portion of texts were read by Higgins at the first trial. NOT this many 'hours' worth and all these at allllllllll. We got the gyst at the first trial when BH read parts.

Thank you!
I just see no point in this long dramatic reading when BH isn't even on the stand.
Makes no sense.
IMO.

 

[arielilane]

She clearly wasnt that into the relationship (as John wasnt into her either), it’s too bad she couldn’t just walk away.
An independent woman she would have been better on her own, but for some reason (I suspect control,* still upset about the New Years eve incident? moo) had to have the last word and wanted John to pay for what she felt (in her own mind) was the cause of her pain. A scorned woman. jmo

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[kuromiiiilove]

I’ve seen a lot of questions about why the defense is having YB read these Higgins texts. Here’s what I think they’re doing:
-These messages suggest that Higgins may have been pursuing KR behind John’s back, which could be relevant in understanding interpersonal dynamics at play that night.
-Ideally, the defense pairs this with the Waterfall video of Higgins yelling in the direction of John as he left the bar.
-The Commonwealth hasn’t called Higgins, so he won’t be there to provide context or rebut the implication. That leaves Jackson free to ask Bukhenik, “Who is he pointing toward?”, and the only answer will be John O’Keefe.
To me, this seems like the defense is carefully laying groundwork for a third-party culprit theory, without having to say it outright. MOO.

 

[Wishbone]

It appears she ghosted him and no contact for days until the john is dead text.......

 

[jepop]

These texts are PAIN!! Soooooooo cringe!! My goodness what the jury must think about these. We know the context from the 1st trial but these folks don't. I'd want a parachute by now and would seriously be considering coming down with an illness of some kind!!! " Jane stop this crazy thing!!!!


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IMO. These texts humanise KR and offset the CW's pernicious strategy of character assassination somewhat ( (we see normal stuff in a relative sense) Jmo. That may be one reason they are useful for the defense. Other than that, guessing there is some future tactical reason and the defense is taking advantage of using Bukhenic to get them into evidence now. This is a defense open to quick adaptation. This may be useful for when/if they bring in Higgins. Jmo

 

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And yesterday Judge C did her part for the CW by telling the jurors that LE mishandling and mislabeling evidence happens all the time. Um no it doesn’t Buddy.

 

[jepop]

I’ve seen a lot of questions about why the defense is having YB read these Higgins texts. Here’s what I think they’re doing:
-These messages suggest that Higgins may have been pursuing KR behind John’s back, which could be relevant in understanding interpersonal dynamics at play that night.
-Ideally, the defense pairs this with the Waterfall video of Higgins yelling in the direction of John as he left the bar.
-The Commonwealth hasn’t called Higgins, so he won’t be there to provide context or rebut the implication. That leaves Jackson free to ask Bukhenik, “Who is he pointing toward?”, and the only answer will be John O’Keefe.
To me, this seems like the defense is carefully laying groundwork for a third-party culprit theory, without having to say it outright. MOO.

It's quite amusing that Bukhenic is doing a decent job reading them too, some good inflections. Inadvertently he is showing the jury KR is just a person like all of us. Moo

 

[keek]

It appears she ghosted him and no contact for days until the john is dead text.......

Yes, hence BH was left hanging after all their previous interaction. Feelings were anger and being played and all those kinds of things. Yes, he called JOK out at the Waterfall in anger, he wanted JOK at Alberts, didn't know that he would come over, but had texted him if he was coming, which we have seen. No, KR would def not want to go in I would think, BH knew too much and would he keep it to himself and not make it known to JOK? All clear to see the emotions that were at the surface that night. Very clear. Don't know if BH told BA all this who then gossiped and passed on to wife and in turn to JMC.. things were known, they love this 'stuff'.. appears JMc did know and glad to help things along between BH and JOK and KR and not in a good way. IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I’ve seen a lot of questions about why the defense is having YB read these Higgins texts. Here’s what I think they’re doing:
-These messages suggest that Higgins may have been pursuing KR behind John’s back, which could be relevant in understanding interpersonal dynamics at play that night.
-Ideally, the defense pairs this with the Waterfall video of Higgins yelling in the direction of John as he left the bar.
-The Commonwealth hasn’t called Higgins, so he won’t be there to provide context or rebut the implication. That leaves Jackson free to ask Bukhenik, “Who is he pointing toward?”, and the only answer will be John O’Keefe.
To me, this seems like the defense is carefully laying groundwork for a third-party culprit theory, without having to say it outright. MOO.

Higgins clearly wanted more than friendship from Karen, and it seems obvious she didn’t reciprocate that interest in the same way. She was friendly, flirtatious, maybe open to a FWB scenario (and seemed to know or believe JOK was doing the same), but she wasn’t pursuing anything serious. That imbalance frustrated him, and it shows in how needy, controlling, and reactive he was being.

What’s really striking is that after weeks of texting and in-person interaction, when she told him John had died… he said absolutely nothing. NOTHING. That kind of silence speaks volumes. MOO.

 

[Anniesflowers]

It's common sense policing. The town police audit has already ridiculed Canton PD and their shoddy police practices. In an accident or crime scene you investigate everything. A 91 year old lady ran a stop sign and crashed into my son yesterday, the police report was written within 3 hours and was 11 pages long with photos. They both are OK by the way. Karen Read case: O'Keefe's body moved too soon and shoddy police work, audit says

I’m so glad they’re both ok!

 

[Forest_Wood]

I’ve seen a lot of questions about why the defense is having YB read these Higgins texts. Here’s what I think they’re doing:
-These messages suggest that Higgins may have been pursuing KR behind John’s back, which could be relevant in understanding interpersonal dynamics at play that night.
-Ideally, the defense pairs this with the Waterfall video of Higgins yelling in the direction of John as he left the bar.
-The Commonwealth hasn’t called Higgins, so he won’t be there to provide context or rebut the implication. That leaves Jackson free to ask Bukhenik, “Who is he pointing toward?”, and the only answer will be John O’Keefe.
To me, this seems like the defense is carefully laying groundwork for a third-party culprit theory, without having to say it outright. MOO.

When KR went to BH's home that night, I suspect they at least kissed. However, when BH testified last trial, he said he went to KR's home and nothing happened and he thought it was weird (or something as such). I don't recall hearing about KR going to his home until this trial. Did BH lie about this or am I misremembering who went to whose home?
Edited

 

[keek]

Higgins clearly wanted more than friendship from Karen, and it seems obvious she didn’t reciprocate that interest in the same way. She was friendly, flirtatious, maybe open to a FWB scenario (and seemed to know or believe JOK was doing the same), but she wasn’t pursuing anything serious. That imbalance frustrated him, and it shows in how needy, controlling, and reactive he was being.

What’s really striking is that after weeks of texting and in-person interaction, when she told him John had died… he said absolutely nothing. NOTHING. That kind of silence speaks volumes. MOO.