MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #25 Retrial

[KSwizzle]

YB's memory is so bad he should be checked for dementia, doesn't remember something he literally just read, shake my head moo

 

[sunshineray]

After seeing the texts: I suspect Karen loved John but knew it was a deadend relationship and maybe thinking BH might be a potential boy friend. I find it very odd there were no further texts from BH to Karen after she said John was dead. NO questions? He is a police officer....maybe he knew, but did not think at that time she would be blamed.

Or maybe he did know she was saying she hit him? It just seemed to me, by the texts read, that they had hooked up and then it was crickets for a bit, then her "Phone works (both ways)" threw him, he waited and reached out and next thing is "John's dead". Quite the shock for BH if he already knew or was just finding out.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Or maybe he did know she was saying she hit him? It just seemed to me, by the texts read, that they had hooked up and then it was crickets for a bit, then her "Phone works (both ways)" threw him, he waited and reached out and next thing is "John's dead". Quite the shock for BH if he already knew or was just finding out.

If he already knew then why would he be shocked?

 

[Anniesflowers]

My apologies.
Still doesn’t change my opinion.

No need to apologize, I’m genuinely interested in the difference of opinions here. What, if anything, would change your opinion? I only watched a fraction of T1, and didn’t have a strong opinion one way or the other, but ARCCA’S testimony completely changed my mind. We’re almost 2 weeks into T2 and I’ve not (yet) seen anything that would sway my opinion. Moo.
I like to keep an open mind and read and consider others’ opinions. I try really hard to avoid confirmation bias.

 

[Derph]

“Wolfe testified during Read’s first trial that he had not been paid by the defense.”

'May have profound effects on this defense': What we heard from the Karen Read case judge

In a hearing Tuesday, Karen Read's lawyer Robert Alessi says emails with an expert witness that prompted misconduct allegations paint a partial picture.

www.patriotledger.com

This again?????!!!!!!!!! We've been over and over this. They were not paid for their findings in the 1st trial. They were paid travel expenses to appear in court where they testified. A practice that is done thousands of times a day in courtrooms everywhere. Are you this outraged about Jessica Hyde testifying for the CW where she was clearly paid for her research which was proven wrong by the way, and her time? What about her travel expenses?

The bill that the ARCCA guys submitted was given to them months after they testified. The Defense did not fund their research. To continue to post this untrue statement is wrong in my opinion. You don't want to believe their data? That is perfectly fine and it is your right to do so. But Alessi laid out in detail his evidence that there was nothing nefarious going on with the communications or the billing. Considering the <modsnip> as a judge did nothing about it but hem and haw, proves that legally nothing was wrong with it. Both brennan and her were grandstanding in my opinion.

 

[Forest_Wood]

After seeing the texts: I suspect Karen loved John but knew it was a deadend relationship and maybe thinking BH might be a potential boy friend. I find it very odd there were no further texts from BH to Karen after she said John was dead. NO questions? He is a police officer....maybe he knew, but did not think at that time she would be blamed.

I think he already knew John was dead because didn't BA call him first thing in the morning after he found out that John was lying on his lawn by JMc (allegedly found out by JMc but may have known already!). In fact, BH was the first person BA contacted that morning. And then BH drove over to BA's home early. I believe all of them had already pointed their fingers at Karen being guilty in the morning, before Karen texted him.
MOO.

 

[sunshineray]

The defense asked a condescending question about a juror?
Edit: Never mind I know what you mean. Was the question because the witness was pretending he didn’t know what theory meant? If anyone was condescending it was the witness.

No, asked a condescending question of the witness, MO I think there was confusion as to what was meant by the defense, as to theory. Best to clarify before answering, MO

 

[Anniesflowers]

Wasn't an ARCCA witness communicating with other witnesses and the defense team when they should have been sequestering themselves from doing that, according to a court order?

I haven’t seen that. Do you have a link to confirm?

 

[bobbymkii]

Does Brennan really think he can just present the same case as last time but without calling some of the more problematic witnesses for the CW, throw in a few short clips from Karen's TV interviews in front of the jury with the context utterly obliterated, and then bish bash bosh she's going down for Murder-2 job done?

 

[Snoods]

No, asked a condescending question of the witness, MO I think there was confusion as to what was meant by the defense, as to theory. Best to clarify before answering, MO

I see your point, but this witness is feigning confusion over almost every single question. It’s just not realistic. We can agree to disagree on this one.

 

[mrjitty]

“Wolfe testified during Read’s first trial that he had not been paid by the defense.”

'May have profound effects on this defense': What we heard from the Karen Read case judge

In a hearing Tuesday, Karen Read's lawyer Robert Alessi says emails with an expert witness that prompted misconduct allegations paint a partial picture.

www.patriotledger.com

it's more accurately Jackson who lied to the court about it, not Wolfe.

Lally ought to have been able to cross Wolfe as to the defence paying ARCCA for trial testimony and preparation - after all, ARCCA were unlikely to be able to invest time in the voir dire etc for free or on the DOJ dime - but Jackson managed to conceal that fact until after trial, when he pretended he received an invoice unexpectedly and never discovered it.

IMO if the Judge had discovered sooner, she might have kicked Jackson off the case - she seriously considered it.

In any event, this is mostly a non issue now, as ARCCA have been retained by the defence and are much more squarely a standard D witness.

IMO

 

[Derph]

I hope Jackson runs the clock out today with the absolute disaster of a witness so the jury can take all weekend to think about this blockhead's testimony.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Wasn't an ARCCA witness communicating with other witnesses and the defense team when they should have been sequestering themselves from doing that, according to a court order?

No. You should watch the courtroom tv the day that the jury was out and it was AJ, Brennan and Wolfe. It was very clear that they did not do anything wrong, and even Judge Cannone had to acknowledge it and allow their testimony. All that you’ve heard about collusion between ARCCA and the defense is an attempt from the CW to discredit ARCCA, because ARCCA proved John could not have been hit by Karen’s car. MOO.

 

[tara83]

it's more accurately Jackson who lied to the court about it, not Wolfe.

Lally ought to have been able to cross Wolfe as to the defence paying ARCCA for trial testimony and preparation - after all, ARCCA were unlikely to be able to invest time in the voir dire etc for free or on the DOJ dime - but Jackson managed to conceal that fact until after trial, when he pretended he received an invoice unexpectedly and never discovered it.

IMO if the Judge had discovered sooner, she might have kicked Jackson off the case - she seriously considered it.

In any event, this is mostly a non issue now, as ARCCA have been retained by the defence and are much more squarely a standard D witness.

IMO

So please tell me how their is bias in the report when it was the FBI who had it done and neither side were paying at the time????

 

[sunshineray]

If he already knew then why would he be shocked?

Because it was tragic and I said IF he already knew the particulars (KR saying she hit him) and knowing they had all been drinking and driving...yeah the whole situation would be quite shocking to him, especially considering they had a recent hook-up. IMO

 

[mrjitty]

So the FBI risked their reputation for a fake report because they cared so much about Karen Reed got you.

One of the oddities of the case is we don't know what the FBI thought about the report, or what conclusions they came to.

It's always struck me as strange that if the FBI/DOJ think the defendant was framed, they'd just sit by and do nothing for this trial.

The whole dynamic is quite unsatisfactory IMO.

 

[jepop]

Does Brennan really think he can just present the same case as last time but without calling some of the more problematic witnesses for the CW, throw in a few short clips from Karen's TV interviews in front of the jury with the context utterly obliterated, and then bish bash bosh she's going down for Murder-2 job done?

Love your summarising skills. Gold!

 

[mrjitty]

So please tell me how their is bias in the report when it was the FBI who had it done and neither side were paying at the time????

I was simply correcting OP about what the D did and did not pay for.

 

[shotgun09]

I hope Jackson runs the clock out today with the absolute disaster of a witness so the jury can take all weekend to think about this blockhead's testimony.

I don't think Jackson will finish with YB today. He hasn't even gone to the sallyport videos yet. That will surely take some time ( including side bahs ).

 

[Derph]

I don't think Jackson will finish with YB today. He hasn't even gone to the sallyport videos yet. That will surely take some time ( including side bahs ).

If this idiot would just stop acting obtuse and answer the damn questions this trial would be over a week earlier.