MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #25 Retrial

[waldojabba]

This is such a strange thing that some are arguing over. The “federal government” hired AARCA, “not the FBI”?? What?? The FBI is *part of the federal government*. Hence the F in FBI that stands for…. FEDERAL.

The defense had no idea who AARCA was or that anyone had hired them or why. The reports came out and were available to both sides. One would think an independent investigation paid for by the federal government would carry some weight with the prosecution, but I guess only if the conclusions fit their desired narrative. Wild, really.

IMO whatsup with all these postings surrounding ARCCA ?

Many many posters have patiently spelled out their role etc many times. Others have labeld them shady and such.
But my goodness so much energy is being put into trying to find an opening to discredit the "crash daddies" personally -one post I saw said that one of the guys wives was in a free Karen Read group ( without any link) which is a little silly imo.
How about we focus on trying to discredit their science if people think its not accurate ? If what the CW is proposing could resonably have happened ( that back up speed distance etc)we should be seeing that from the CW's witnesses - even some type of re -enactment if they deem it necessary.

We all want justice for John OKeefe - not for one side to win at all costs bc our gut tells NG or G.

The CW has resources for this case - they are not cash strappd. I hope before they closeout we have an opportunity to hear from their outside experts on accident reconstruction.
JMO

 

[waldojabba]

It’s an awful look for the MSP and I can’t believe that nobody considered that when they decided to retry the case. The CW should forfeit the case now just to stop the bleeding. I’m local and was probably neutral on the MSP and local LE before this trial. Now, Im solidly in the negative column.

BBM
I am local too and could not agree more - they should never have taken her to trial again. Why did they?

I have my theories but none of them matter bc something is obviously afoot. These are not stupid people and they understand optics and that the world is watching.

Massachusetts/Gov Maura Healy hired a new guy to run the MSP I believe in 2024 to get the MSP straightened out.

https://www.mass.gov/news/governor-healey-names-geoffrey-d-noble-as-massachusetts-state-police-colonel

He's pretty new but if he thinks this testimony is okay - he is just more of the same. It is said out and about that DA Morrissey and Gov Healey are tight so maybe it is more of the same, We will see what happens after the trial.

JMO

 

[nightowl1975]

The CW has resources for this case - they are not cash strappd. I hope before they closeout we have an opportunity to hear from their outside experts on accident reconstruction.
JMO

I believe the only “expert” testimony we may see from the CW about the actual crash scene reconstruction is from the “I dunno, it just did” fella. Bless his heart. I do hope he isn’t called again and humiliated on the stand for a second time. I was so embarrassed for him.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I see no truth in YB making this statement. JMOO​

Trooper fired over Karen Read investigation handled case with 'honor and integrity,' his supervisor says​

Massachusetts State Police Sgt. Yuri Bukhenik acknowledged that he was disciplined over the conduct of former trooper Michael Proctor.
Massachusetts State Police Sgt. Yuri Bukhenik acknowledged that he was also disciplined over misconduct allegations linked to Michael Proctor, the case agent who managed the investigation into the death of Boston police officer John O’Keefe. But the supervisor testified that the former trooper handled the probe with “honor and integrity.”

Trooper fired over Karen Read investigation handled case with 'honor and integrity,' his supervisor says

Massachusetts State Police Sgt. Yuri Bukhenik acknowledged that he was disciplined over the conduct of former trooper Michael Proctor.

www.nbcnews.com

New Karen Read filings​

"Read's attorneys say Norfolk Attorney Michael Morrissey, Canton Police Sgt. Michael Lank and Canton Police Det. Kevin Albert are among the officers involved in both cases. The filing also lists Massachusetts State Police Det. Lt. Brian Tully, who is under internal investigation and was transferred following Read's first Trial, and Lt. John Fanning were also involved in both the Birchmore and Read cases.

The defense also asked for unredacted emails, reports, and other communications involving Birchmore.

In other new filings in the Read case, defense attorneys seek all documents in Trooper Michael Proctor's internal affairs investigation. Proctor was the lead investigator in the case, and is currently undergoing a Massachusetts State Police trial board to determine his professional fate for conduct in the Read investigation.

Defense attorneys also seek any correspondence between the district attorney's office and any witness in the case.

Karen Read's attorneys seek unredacted documents from Sandra Birchmore death investigation

Attorneys for Karen Read are seeking a variety of evidence from the state ahead of her second trial, including unredacted documents from the investigation into the death of Sandra Birchmore.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Snoop Sister]

She drove away from 34F at exact time that John’s GPS reveals he was beaten
She also calls John at the exact time he’s being beaten up
JMc is able to keep calling John’s phone asking him where are you -- during the beating
The group in the house are able to remain in the house and no one does anything or even attempts to call 911
Its not a birthday party no more… its kill the cop time
These hard working men (been going all day, traveling, bonding with cops) go ahead and get the dead cop, his phone, the drinking glass w/drinking straw, his baseball cap, lets take a shoe off first (great thinking by someone, my guess is Boston’s finest) and put him out on the property somewhere. Maybe the flagpole? In the street, near the curb. Like road kill.

However, they are in luck, the cop’s drunk girlfriend staged an oops I hit John’s Chevy Traverse (seen on Ring). Where’s the other Ring footage?
Great critical thinking and common sense. Just an opinion.

Totally agree with your post and your other posts on this thread. It is awesome to read a different perspective on this forum,

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[HarmonyE.]

I believe the only “expert” testimony we may see from the CW about the actual crash scene reconstruction is from the “I dunno, it just did” fella. Bless his heart. I do hope he isn’t called again and humiliated on the stand for a second time. I was so embarrassed for him.

Trooper Joe "It just did" Paul is not on the witness list this time. The CW has come up with a yet another new theory about how JO was injured and will bring on a new "reconstructionist" who will no doubt have their own problems explaining the impossible.

Technically, the defense could get cute and call Joe Paul to show how the CW's theories keep evolving, but I don't think they'll bother. It would be entertaining though.

 

[waldojabba]

I believe the only “expert” testimony we may see from the CW about the actual crash scene reconstruction is from the “I dunno, it just did” fella. Bless his heart. I do hope he isn’t called again and humiliated on the stand for a second time. I was so embarrassed for him.

Yes he was their "in house" guy - maybe Trooper Paul? Not qualified to really address it imo since I think he only took something like a six week course somewhere. Hard to put that up against highly experienced people who actually work in that field and have been trained and studied for years. Not fair to him .

If there is information out there to refute the ARCCA facts the CW uderstands they need to bring it and there would be money for an outside firm like ARCCA to do it - so I would expect to see it
JMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I think it worked out better for the defense that YB had to read allllll of it out loud. It gave so much more background and context and details than a simple “yes, the texts were flirtatious in nature” would have.

Having it all read out this time was enlightening to me because last trial only parts of it were read by BH. This time, you could see the progression of the flirtation as well as it filtering out, lasting only a couple of weeks. I doubt Karen would have continued to have a relationship with the bozo even if JOK had not died. I don't know what she saw in him to begin with, other than looking for a bit of comfort during an uncertain time in her relationship with John, but I found BH to be rude and childish and boorish, not to mention how unappealing he looked, especially compared to John's good looks. Not her type at all and she seemed to know that after meeting with him in his home environment IMO.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

New Karen Read filings​

"Read's attorneys say Norfolk Attorney Michael Morrissey, Canton Police Sgt. Michael Lank and Canton Police Det. Kevin Albert are among the officers involved in both cases. The filing also lists Massachusetts State Police Det. Lt. Brian Tully, who is under internal investigation and was transferred following Read's first Trial, and Lt. John Fanning were also involved in both the Birchmore and Read cases.

The defense also asked for unredacted emails, reports, and other communications involving Birchmore.

In other new filings in the Read case, defense attorneys seek all documents in Trooper Michael Proctor's internal affairs investigation. Proctor was the lead investigator in the case, and is currently undergoing a Massachusetts State Police trial board to determine his professional fate for conduct in the Read investigation.

Defense attorneys also seek any correspondence between the district attorney's office and any witness in the case.

Karen Read's attorneys seek unredacted documents from Sandra Birchmore death investigation

Attorneys for Karen Read are seeking a variety of evidence from the state ahead of her second trial, including unredacted documents from the investigation into the death of Sandra Birchmore.

www.cbsnews.com

This should be interesting. They will likely see more incompetence in the Birchmore case.

 

[ShadyLady]

Yes, hence BH was left hanging after all their previous interaction. Feelings were anger and being played and all those kinds of things. Yes, he called JOK out at the Waterfall in anger, he wanted JOK at Alberts, didn't know that he would come over, but had texted him if he was coming, which we have seen. No, KR would def not want to go in I would think, BH knew too much and would he keep it to himself and not make it known to JOK? All clear to see the emotions that were at the surface that night. Very clear. Don't know if BH told BA all this who then gossiped and passed on to wife and in turn to JMC.. things were known, they love this 'stuff'.. appears JMc did know and glad to help things along between BH and JOK and KR and not in a good way. IMO

This. Did BH share information on Karen with BA then BA shared with Nicole? Then Nicole told Jen and Jen told Matt. It is obvious all these women hated Karen and maybe the setup was to expose Karen and make BH and John fight, or at least get John to breakup with Karen.

Jen seems like the person that is nice to your face and stabs you behind your back. And Kerri was not a friend either.

 

[arielilane]

If BH wanted to do away with JOK to be with the girl why frame her?
Text message 10 surgeries in 18 months for colon cancer sure, Jan
Timestamp 3:58:17 sharing a bed is archaic (she's a squatter)

She texted "I just snap when I think guys are being creeps. Cant help it.”

Curious if she snapped the night John O’Keefe died and she’s responsible

Last text to BH is on 1/23, then she text BH "John died" (Sat., Jan 29)

 

[tara83]

I would like to believe heads will roll after this is all over but sadly I don't see it. These crooked,incompetent cops will continue on their merry way.

 

[HarmonyE.]

This should be interesting. They will likely see more incompetence in the Birchmore case.

I believe that article is from earlier this year. Didn't the judge rule that Birchmore cannot come up in this trial, unless the "door was opened"? I'm not sure how that would happen, but it would be ammo to show how both the Canton and State police behaved in a different case where the prime suspect should have been a brother cop.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Live now:

 

[ShadyLady]

I think it worked out better for the defense that YB had to read allllll of it out loud. It gave so much more background and context and details than a simple “yes, the texts were flirtatious in nature” would have.

And I wonder who is the Kerri these spoke about...

 

[sunshineray]

I see no truth in YB making this statement. JMOO​

Trooper fired over Karen Read investigation handled case with 'honor and integrity,' his supervisor says​

Massachusetts State Police Sgt. Yuri Bukhenik acknowledged that he was disciplined over the conduct of former trooper Michael Proctor.
Massachusetts State Police Sgt. Yuri Bukhenik acknowledged that he was also disciplined over misconduct allegations linked to Michael Proctor, the case agent who managed the investigation into the death of Boston police officer John O’Keefe. But the supervisor testified that the former trooper handled the probe with “honor and integrity.”

Trooper fired over Karen Read investigation handled case with 'honor and integrity,' his supervisor says

Massachusetts State Police Sgt. Yuri Bukhenik acknowledged that he was disciplined over the conduct of former trooper Michael Proctor.

www.nbcnews.com

If that's his opinion, it's his opinion. I've met many police officers that I didn't personally "like", that I wouldn't want to hang around with but who I felt would protect and serve the public honorably.
Were any charges ever filed against any Canton PD or MA State Police associated with the KR case?

 

[sunshineray]

I think it worked out better for the defense that YB had to read allllll of it out loud. It gave so much more background and context and details than a simple “yes, the texts were flirtatious in nature” would have.

Huh, I was thinking exactly the opposite. I think it showed the defendant in a bad light. MO

 

[Spider92]

I believe that article is from earlier this year. Didn't the judge rule that Birchmore cannot come up in this trial, unless the "door was opened"? I'm not sure how that would happen, but it would be ammo to show how both the Canton and State police behaved in a different case where the prime suspect should have been a brother cop.

Yes, sadly you are correct. I think the Birchmore case was remarkably relevant. IMO, hearing about Sandra Birchmore would have pushed most of the jurors over the top - local LE would have been exposed for what they are.

Judge bars mention of Sandra Birchmore investigation at Karen Read trial

Karen Read's defense can't bring up the Sandra Birchmore investigation during Read's murder trial, a judge ruled Tuesday.

www.masslive.com

 

[tara83]

If that's his opinion, it's his opinion. I've met many police officers that I didn't personally "like", that I wouldn't want to hang around with but who I felt would protect and serve the public honorably.
Were any charges ever filed against any Canton PD or MA State Police associated with the KR case?

You don't think a cop actually losing his job because of his terrible behavior is a big enough deal? Just wow.

 

[HarmonyE.]

If BH wanted to do away with JOK to be with the girl why frame her?

I don't think I've seen a single person claim BH intentionally "did away" with JO, so this is a bit of a straw man argument. Someone hit him in the head with a heavy object during a fight that erupted as soon as he arrived. If you watch the Waterfall video you can see an agitated Higgins yelling and gesturing in JO's direction before they leave and him being held back by Chris Albert. And then we have Higgins' text to John asking him if he'd be going to Fairview.

No one attempted to personally frame Read either. JO was dumped on the lawn to make it appear he was struck by a hit and run vehicle. Any vehicle. Didn't matter which one, plow, passerby, anyone would do. Read was just the most convenient one to blame as events unfolded.

MOO