MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #26 Retrial

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  • #41
Do you have a link for how the first jury voted on counts?

From April 2025 -

"Soon after the mistrial, Read’s lawyers set out to get the main charges dropped.

They argued Judge Cannone declared a mistrial without polling the jurors to confirm their conclusions. Defense attorney Martin Weinberg said five jurors indicated after the trial that they were only deadlocked on the manslaughter count and had unanimously agreed that she wasn’t guilty of second-degree murder and leaving the scene, but that they hadn’t told the judge.

The defense said that because jurors had agreed Read wasn’t guilty of murder and leaving the scene, retrying her on those counts would amount to double jeopardy. But Cannone rejected that argument, as did the state’s highest court, a federal court judge, and an appeals court. Defense attorneys have since appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court."

 
  • #42
From April 2025 -

"Soon after the mistrial, Read’s lawyers set out to get the main charges dropped.

They argued Judge Cannone declared a mistrial without polling the jurors to confirm their conclusions. Defense attorney Martin Weinberg said five jurors indicated after the trial that they were only deadlocked on the manslaughter count and had unanimously agreed that she wasn’t guilty of second-degree murder and leaving the scene, but that they hadn’t told the judge.

The defense said that because jurors had agreed Read wasn’t guilty of murder and leaving the scene, retrying her on those counts would amount to double jeopardy. But Cannone rejected that argument, as did the state’s highest court, a federal court judge, and an appeals court. Defense attorneys have since appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court."


They all agreed she didn't commit second degree murder, so why are we here again having a murder trial?
 
  • #43

Karen Read trial not taking place today due to "unavoidable circumstances," court says​

 
  • #44
@KristinaRex

Breaking — No Karen Read trial today 5/13/25 due to “unforeseen circumstances,” per a court spokesperson. #WBZ

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Weren't the kids supposed to be on the stand today?
IMO.
 
  • #45
Appears BH is looking/listening to voice message. Blank bright screen cooralates with that. jmo

@JHall7news


Jury sees images of Higgins leaving Canton PD with what appears to be a cell phone raised to his face at 1:35 am, a few minutes after he arrived.

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I'm sorry, how does a bright screen on a phone correlate to listening to voicemails?
 
  • #46
You mean widely absurd "magical tail light" pieces.
Initial searches used the leaf blower to take the snow back to the ground and found none nor did they stand on any of the large pieces, the afternoon search found some pieces, but pieces kept appearing for weeks like the grass was a trans dimensional zone, where pieces mysteriously had passed from all sight and touch, but then suddenly kept rematerializing.

I'm sure if I flew to Canton, I could go and find some pieces, but of course I'm not in Canton PD.

I'd agree that the initial plant is a difficult sell. However the wrongful pickup time, failure to photo the vehicle at the scene, and the absurdity of pieces just turning up for weeks afterward whilst not arranging a thorough and properly run and documented search when the additional first documented piece turns up. Makes it seem IMHO that something fishy may have been up, and that from my persective is reasonable doubt.
Also the tail light pieces do not mean they came from her hitting John. The light could have been cracked at another time and she was unaware - especially with her drinking lifestyle and parking around Boston. So that night a few pop out and the plow distributes them.

It just took them a while to reveal themselves lol.

Locally, If you park too close in line people regularly bump your car - forward and back- to get out of their space.
I had a headlight pop out of my car (still attached to the cable) out of the blue in an almost brand new car lol - I know crazy - it turned out the headlight was also cracked. I was totally unaware. Pieces all over the parking lot - I taped the rest back on and made it to the airport in time to catch my flite.
On the backside the dealership said someone must have bumped the car when I was not in it.

Things happen -

JMO
 
  • #47
They all agreed she didn't commit second degree murder, so why are we here again having a murder trial?
Argument rejected by all courts right up to the top.
 
  • #48
Everyone is fallible to error.

And they are only as good as the information provided to them, which was not a complete set of evidence AFAIK.
They are now Defense hired this time around so they should be well prepared with all the details. Lets see what they present - shall we ? JMO
 
  • #49
Everyone is fallible to error.

And they are only as good as the information provided to them, which was not a complete set of evidence AFAIK.

IMO the historical T1 debate about ARCCA won't be central in this trial.

Per the recent Voir Dire of Dr Wolfe, it appears ARCCA's main job as an expert in T2 is to counter the expert evidence of Aperture. That is the report that should have been recently delivered.

In that role, ARCCA will testify as paid for D witnesses - which might be better for the D given the jury tea leaf reading from T1.

I guess AJ will also elicit testimony about the original work for DOJ, but it doesn't sound like it will be the main event.

IMO
 
  • #50
Argument rejected by all courts right up to the top.

It's still the truth. Something the CW should have taken into account. JMO
 
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It appears the cancellation of today’s testimony was a game time decision. Prosecution team is here and several ppl in the courthouse told me they just learned as well.

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bringing this over



Right - I agree! This is exactly the kind of fact that the D could use to support their argument.

But IMO it suggests the staging has to happen before 16:54 (arrival SERT). AJ can't say they left the crime scene unsecured which allows staging, but then choose a staging time when it was secured. He has to choose the time when it wasn't secured. Otherwise the lack of security isn't relevant to his argument.

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I’m not sure I understand. Everything was wrapped up at 34 Fairfield within a couple of hours. SERT didn’t arrive until evening. AJ doesn’t have to prove a specific time or even get into specifics about how those pieces made it there. It could have happened multiple ways. AJ has already shown a biased investigator, Proctor hanging at back tail light, missing video, and opportunity. Maybe the jury wants every detail solved and wrapped up, idk. AJ’s job is reasonable doubt with these tail light pieces and I believe he’s already gotten there.
 
  • #55
They weren't going to call him, anyway.
IMO.
Oh, but you bet your bottom dollar that the defense will. We are talking about justice here sir, and Proctor is going to be eaten up by A.J. and I can't wait! Moo
 
  • #56
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Weren't the kids supposed to be on the stand today?
IMO.
Those poor kids. Paraded up on the stand for sympathy. They need to be left out of the trial.
 
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The CW had no intent to call Proctor
IMO
And in my opinion, those jurrors will discuss why didnt the CW call Proctor? Why are they hiding him if he did nothing wrong in the investigation?
 
  • #59
I’m not sure I understand. Everything was wrapped up at 34 Fairfield within a couple of hours. SERT didn’t arrive until evening. AJ doesn’t have to prove a specific time or even get into specifics about how those pieces made it there. It could have happened multiple ways. AJ has already shown a biased investigator, Proctor hanging at back tail light, missing video, and opportunity. Maybe the jury wants every detail solved and wrapped up, idk. AJ’s job is reasonable doubt with these tail light pieces and I believe he’s already gotten there.

SERT is already on site before the Lexus arrives at the Sallyport. So by the time Proctor has access to the tail light, the crime scene is not unsecured and the opportunity gone.

And earlier in the day when the crime scene is unsecured, no one has access to the Lexus because the defendant removed it to her parents.

IMO
 
  • #60
Argument rejected by all courts right up to the top.
If only those jurors had asked questions if they found instructions confusing. In any case, verdict wasn’t recorded. The DA still chose to retry murder two charge even knowing it was unofficially unanimous. And here we are.
 
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