MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #26 Retrial

[mzmarymac]

Regarding the "double jeopardy" thing and where the rule of law stands it is what it is. HOWEVER, can you imagine retrying the counts knowing that the vote was 12-0 acquittal or even 11-1 or 10-2? It truly makes zero sense. I've never heard of a retrial when a vote was overwhelmingly for acquittal. I could see if it was 11-1 or 10-2 in favor of conviction, then heck yeah...try it again and hope to get all 12 next time. But who would even support such a decision to retry such a high profile and expensive case for the CW knowing they had such a losing case.

 

[Angelwatch]

"Investigators had found their first piece of evidence at 5:45 p.m., a taillight segment. As they uncovered more evidence, SERT members would notify O’Hara and Tully and pause their search until detectives could collect and document each item, O’Hara explained.

He said his team found a sneaker “flush up against the curb” and “inverted upside down,” with snow inside it. They also uncovered “maybe six or seven pieces of taillight.”

“Do you know if any of the items were touching the ground, or were they on snow?” Brennan asked.

“A couple of the pieces were found at ground level, touching the asphalt,” O’Hara replied."

Karen Read called John O'Keefe over 50 times the morning he died, left expletive-filled voicemails, trooper testifies

Karen Read called John O'Keefe over 50 times the morning he died, trooper testifies. And left a number of expletive-filled voicemails.

www.boston.com

Do you think it’s even a little bit improbable that the 6-7 pieces SERT finds are from the same area of tail light? A collision should scatter the fragments in a random pattern. Also, the pieces were all found on the lawn rather than the road where he was supposedly hit. You’d expect at least some pieces would be found at the site of impact. None of this makes any sense.

 

[Tortoise]

Do you think it’s even a little bit improbable that the 6-7 pieces SERT finds are from the same area of tail light? A collision should scatter the fragments in a random pattern. Also, the pieces were all found on the lawn rather than the road where he was supposedly hit. You’d expect at least some pieces would be found at the site of impact. None of this makes any sense.

It says a couple were touching the asphalt, so that is the road.

 

[hooziewhutz]

OMG I hope nothing happened to her or her parents. The stress this family has been under...

I think about her father's health a lot. :/

 

[Warwick7]

Well that could be but I don't see how any of this is responsive to my post.

The defence requires someone to have staged the tail light. So who was it, and at what time did they do it? AJ seems to be making the argument that it was Proctor at the Sallyport but it just doesn't seem plausible to me, which gives him an issue on closing

If you want to argue that staging is simply implied from everything else, then obviously AJ could make that argument but i don't think that is what he is doing, and I think it's weaker than a specific theory.

MOO

I wasn't making an argument. I was making a post about the jury having a hard time with what the CW is dishing out.

 

[Amy0077]

Professor Was Accused of Hitting Cop Boyfriend with Car, Leaving Him to Die. Does New Evidence Exonerate Her?

Karen Read has been charged with second-degree murder, motor vehicle manslaughter and leaving the scene of a collision in the death of her off-duty Boston Police Officer boyfriend John O'Keefe.

people.com

Karen Read has been charged with second-degree murder, motor vehicle manslaughter and leaving the scene of a collision in the January 2022 death of her off-duty Boston Police Officer boyfriend John O'Keefe outside a Canton, Mass., home.

She's pleaded not guilty to the charges.

Leading up to his death, the couple of two years reportedly spent the night drinking and bar hopping with friends before Read, 43, dropped O'Keefe, 46, off at the home of a fellow off-duty police officer for an after-party, PEOPLE previously reported.

Prosecutors say as O'Keefe exited the vehicle, Read allegedly proceeded to make a three-point turn during a winter storm, striking her boyfriend in the process before driving off.

After O'Keefe failed to return home hours later, Read allegedly went looking for him, before finding his body in a snowbank outside the home where she allegedly left him.

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[Izzylizzy]

Nope, they just showed some of the CW leaving on Court TV.
I'm thinking Karen is sick.
IMO.

Thanks!

 

[Izzylizzy]

It says a couple were touching the asphalt, so that is the road.

Did Proctor claim that?

 

[Tortoise]

Did Proctor claim that?

Lt. Kevin O'Hara, team commander of SERT.

 

[tara83]

So was John wearing a suit of armor when he was supposed to be hit by a car? How would a taillight break into around 40 pieces after hitting one lone person? Plus the man had no broken bones. Tell me again why I should believe this?

 

[themonk]

I agree the timing doesn’t work for sally port pieces to make it before SERT finds them unless one of the unnamed people at the scene drops them, which I think is too risky to be plausible. I think they were the pieces from 1 meadows that miraculously disappeared. The sally port pieces will be found over a period of weeks after SERT leaves.

Was Michael Proctor at the sally port when Karen's Lexus was brought in?

If yes, well, anything is possible.

 

[themonk]

Regarding the "double jeopardy" thing and where the rule of law stands it is what it is. HOWEVER, can you imagine retrying the counts knowing that the vote was 12-0 acquittal or even 11-1 or 10-2? It truly makes zero sense. I've never heard of a retrial when a vote was overwhelmingly for acquittal. I could see if it was 11-1 or 10-2 in favor of conviction, then heck yeah...try it again and hope to get all 12 next time. But who would even support such a decision to retry such a high profile and expensive case for the CW knowing they had such a losing case.

BBM

It only makes sense if one considers who benefits. Then it makes total sense.

 

[mzmarymac]

BBM

It only makes sense if one considers who benefits. Then it makes total sense.

I should have said "makes no legitimate sense"

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

So was John wearing a suit of armor when he was supposed to be hit by a car? How would a taillight break into around 40 pieces after hitting one lone person? Plus the man had no broken bones. Tell me again why I should believe this?

You shouldn't. JMO

 

[minazoe]

Will there be a re enactment of this accident? I personally think she hit him..but this case is so fraught with other scenarios, that I would like to see the re-enactment of the car hitting Jon.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Will there be a re enactment of this accident? I personally think she hit him..but this case is so fraught with other scenarios, that I would like to see the re-enactment of the car hitting Jon.

Physics will make it kind of hard. JMO

 

[PamCake]

Well that could be but I don't see how any of this is responsive to my post.

The defence requires someone to have staged the tail light. So who was it, and at what time did they do it? AJ seems to be making the argument that it was Proctor at the Sallyport but it just doesn't seem plausible to me, which gives him an issue on closing

If you want to argue that staging is simply implied from everything else, then obviously AJ could make that argument but i don't think that is what he is doing, and I think it's weaker than a specific theory.

MOO

Proctor initially reported seizing the Lexus at 5:30 PM from Dighton, but it was later revealed that the actual seizure time was 4:16 PM. Yuri confirmed that they did not know Karen Read's parents' home had surveillance video when the car was seized.

This info shows that there is a window of time (1 hour and 14 minutes) when the taillight pieces could've been staged. If the taillight was cracked from the early morning "collision" at 1 Meadows, then it would be an easy task to remove a few pieces from it during that large window of time. The tow driver needs to be called.

 

[themonk]

Will there be a re enactment of this accident? I personally think she hit him..but this case is so fraught with other scenarios, that I would like to see the re-enactment of the car hitting Jon.

BBM

Did you watch in the first trial the testimony and cross of Trooper Joseph Paul, a crash reconstructionist with the Massachusetts State Police?

Just curious.

 

[Soulmagent]

Regarding the "double jeopardy" thing and where the rule of law stands it is what it is. HOWEVER, can you imagine retrying the counts knowing that the vote was 12-0 acquittal or even 11-1 or 10-2? It truly makes zero sense. I've never heard of a retrial when a vote was overwhelmingly for acquittal. I could see if it was 11-1 or 10-2 in favor of conviction, then heck yeah...try it again and hope to get all 12 next time. But who would even support such a decision to retry such a high profile and expensive case for the CW knowing they had such a losing case.

There is a reason. A lot of people are going to lose their jobs and futures in places they thought they were heading to. No matter what the verdict is IMO ,if they lose this case the Canton Police dept will cost them so much money in lawsuits that it was worth it for a Hail Mary. It is so obvious that this whole retrial to trying to make the corruption seems normal. They made the mass state troopers look like jokes. The testimony on the stand is flat out dumb sometimes. They should have shut up and fought the lawsuits instead. Now they are still going to have to fight lawsuits . Spend your taxpayers money on covering up your stupid inadequate work ethics . Fan favs huh?

 

[HarmonyE.]

Proctor initially reported seizing the Lexus at 5:30 PM from Dighton, but it was later revealed that the actual seizure time was 4:16 PM. Yuri confirmed that they did not know Karen Read's parents' home had surveillance video when the car was seized.

This info shows that there is a window of time (1 hour and 14 minutes) when the taillight pieces could've been staged. If the taillight was cracked from the early morning "collision" at 1 Meadows, then it would be an easy task to remove a few pieces from it during that large window of time. The tow driver needs to be called.

Proctor's lie about when the state police got the vehicle was later explained away by the "Daylight savings change".

Um. Daylight savings changes happen in March and November. This was late January.

And whoever heard of a daylight savings change of one hour and 14 minutes?

And why would someone tell two separate lies about a single event, unless that person wanted to create a false impression about the time frame involved?