MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #26 Retrial

[ShadyLady]

You mean widely absurd "magical tail light" pieces.
Initial searches used the leaf blower to take the snow back to the ground and found none nor did they stand on any of the large pieces, the afternoon search found some pieces, but pieces kept appearing for weeks like the grass was a trans dimensional zone, where pieces mysteriously had passed from all sight and touch, but then suddenly kept rematerializing.

I'm sure if I flew to Canton, I could go and find some pieces, but of course I'm not in Canton PD.

I'd agree that the initial plant is a difficult sell. However the wrongful pickup time, failure to photo the vehicle at the scene, and the absurdity of pieces just turning up for weeks afterward whilst not arranging a thorough and properly run and documented search when the additional first documented piece turns up. Makes it seem IMHO that something fishy may have been up, and that from my persective is reasonable doubt.

Tail lights are hard plastic....I wonder what kind of force is needed to break them into 10s of pieces. Surely not just human flesh.

 

[Leilei]

And in my opinion, those jurrors will discuss why didnt the CW call Proctor? Why are they hiding him if he did nothing wrong in the investigation?

They'll find out why when the Defense calls him, and that will be crazier than Yuri's time on the stand.
Jurors will be thinking "Ohhhh that's why".

IMO.

 

[Angelwatch]

SERT is already on site before the Lexus arrives at the Sallyport. So by the time Proctor has access to the tail light, the crime scene is not unsecured and the opportunity gone.

IMO

I agree the timing doesn’t work for sally port pieces to make it before SERT finds them unless one of the unnamed people at the scene drops them, which I think is too risky to be plausible. I think they were the pieces from 1 meadows that miraculously disappeared. The sally port pieces will be found over a period of weeks after SERT leaves.

 

[Tortoise]

If only those jurors had asked questions if they found instructions confusing. In any case, verdict wasn’t recorded. The DA still chose to retry murder two charge even knowing it was unofficially unanimous. And here we are.

The DA is trying the case on tightened up evidence this time. Things like Read's out of court statements tending to show consciousness of guilt, phone battery temperature, vehicle black box data, I believe they will be bringing in health data for Jen McCabe's heart rate in the early morning hours from her Apple watch (according to opening speech), an expert to show John suffered contrecoup brain injuries, etc

IMO

 

[mrjitty]

I agree the timing doesn’t work for sally port pieces to make it before SERT finds them unless one of the unnamed people at the scene drops them, which I think is too risky to be plausible. I think they were the pieces from 1 meadows that miraculously disappeared. The sally port pieces will be found over a period of weeks after SERT leaves.

I agree that a 1 Meadows theory is the only plausible idea.

 

[geevee]

In the sally port video we see the tow truck driver go to the front of the SUV and take a picture of the front/license plate, did he not also take a pic of the back? If not, why not, and if so, where is it? The video has so many gaps it can't be seen on it, but very curious no pic taken of the back.

To believe that the tail light pieces ended up scattered over the lawn it would have had to explode on impact, like the broken glass apparently did as well, and the pieces of both follow John as he sails through the air to the flag pole area, without anyone inside hearing or seeing anything. It really beggars belief.

 

[Izzylizzy]

It appears the cancellation of today’s testimony was a game time decision. Prosecution team is here and several ppl in the courthouse told me they just learned as well.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1922278858251723104

Half -day today?

 

[Maat99]

SERT is already on site before the Lexus arrives at the Sallyport. So by the time Proctor has access to the tail light, the crime scene is not unsecured and the opportunity gone.

And earlier in the day when the crime scene is unsecured, no one has access to the Lexus because the defendant removed it to her parents.

IMO

Yes - this team you are so reliant on for their competent evidence collection found only one tiny piece of red plastic. But oddly, there were 40 pieces just laying around that they didn’t find. And who was that piece of red plastic given to? And which out of the 40 pieces is that one piece? Is it even still included along with those other pieces? Does anyone know? Can anyone say that this one piece of red plastic even came from a taillight? You are making a whole lot of assumptions that unfortunately have never and can never be proven due to the incompetence and corruption of the lead investigators.

 

[Angelwatch]

The DA is trying the case on tightened up evidence this time. Things like Read's out of court statements tending to show consciousness of guilt, phone battery temperature, vehicle black box data, I believe they will be bringing in health data for Jen McCabe's heart rate in the early morning hours from her Apple watch (according to opening speech), an expert to show John suffered contrecoup brain injuries, etc

IMO

It’s definitely a much different trial. And quite the interesting decision on the CW’s part not to call some of the main witnesses from trial one.

And I don’t think anyone with even a minimal understanding of brain injuries would deny a contrecoup brain injury. Is that even in dispute? That’s neuropathology 101.

 

[mrjitty]

Yes - this team you are so reliant on for their competent evidence collection found only one tiny piece of red plastic. But oddly, there were 40 pieces just laying around that they didn’t find. And who was that piece of red plastic given to? And which out of the 40 pieces is that one piece? Is it even still included along with those other pieces? Does anyone know? Can anyone say that this one piece of red plastic even came from a taillight? You are making a whole lot of assumptions that unfortunately have never and can never be proven due to the incompetence and corruption of the lead investigators.

BIB - they found 6-7 large pieces on that afternoon. I already posted the testimony up thread. There were photos of them. The defence did not dispute any of that. The defence appears to argue that they were planted, not that they don't come from Karen's tail light.

IMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Tail lights are hard plastic....I wonder what kind of force is needed to break them into 10s of pieces. Surely not just human flesh.

Seems like it would be easy to demonstrate on a video for the defense to do.
Exact same tail-light and hit it with same weight impact if JOK and the SUV collided, then a sledge hammer or something.

 

[Tortoise]

Yes - this team you are so reliant on for their competent evidence collection found only one tiny piece of red plastic. But oddly, there were 40 pieces just laying around that they didn’t find. And who was that piece of red plastic given to? And which out of the 40 pieces is that one piece? Is it even still included along with those other pieces? Does anyone know? Can anyone say that this one piece of red plastic even came from a taillight? You are making a whole lot of assumptions that unfortunately have never and can never be proven due to the incompetence and corruption of the lead investigators.

"Investigators had found their first piece of evidence at 5:45 p.m., a taillight segment. As they uncovered more evidence, SERT members would notify O’Hara and Tully and pause their search until detectives could collect and document each item, O’Hara explained.

He said his team found a sneaker “flush up against the curb” and “inverted upside down,” with snow inside it. They also uncovered “maybe six or seven pieces of taillight.”

“Do you know if any of the items were touching the ground, or were they on snow?” Brennan asked.

“A couple of the pieces were found at ground level, touching the asphalt,” O’Hara replied."

Karen Read called John O'Keefe over 50 times the morning he died, left expletive-filled voicemails, trooper testifies

Karen Read called John O'Keefe over 50 times the morning he died, trooper testifies. And left a number of expletive-filled voicemails.

www.boston.com

 

[Izzylizzy]

It’s definitely a much different trial. And quite the interesting decision on the CW’s part not to call some of the main witnesses from trial one.

And I don’t think anyone with even a minimal understanding of brain injuries would deny a contrecoup brain injury. Is that even in dispute? That’s neuropathology 101.

The CW already gave the defense a lot of ammo with their "main witnesses" so the consensus appears to be they want to avoid this and not give the defense the opportunity to cross examine them again.
imo

 

[ShadyLady]

BIB - they found 6-7 large pieces on that afternoon. I already posted the testimony up thread.

What exactly did hard plastic tail lights come into contact with in order to shatter it into 10's of pieces? 40 pieces?? Did it hit Metal? Brick? Flag pole? HAMMER?

 

[Leilei]

Half -day today?

Nope, they just showed some of the CW leaving on Court TV.
I'm thinking Karen is sick.
IMO.

 

[mzmarymac]

Random Tuesday morning theory (after seeing yesterday's video, combined with the Waterfall video and BH/KR texts.

We can all see what happened at Waterfall. KR had ghosted BH and he was mad at her and wanted answers. BA was drinking with him all day and appeared to goad him into confronting KR or at least telling his buddy, JOK, what was going on with her. He was so mad she ignored him and was all lovey dovey with JOK. CA tried to calm him down "not here, not now, and I've got enough going on that I don't want to get involved in this, so he walks home.

They get JOK to come to the house. He goes in through the side door, or garage, or around back or right into the basement, ikd. Either in the basement or backyard, BH approaches JOK with the texts/proof of KRs behavior and it doesn't go quite as planned. JOK is angry at BH for going after his girlfriend and perhaps gets in his face, maybe some pushing and shoving, BA jumps in and a scuffle ensues, leading Chloe to "protect" her master, BA. JOK falls and is mortally wounded and they know it and freak out.

BH tells BA, "hey...this is on me...this is all my fault and I'll make it right." Goes to CPD and goes into cleanup mode. BA insures no one in the house knows what's up and everyone eventually leaves. (I've never bought the hos long to die at 2:37 or whatever.) No one knows except for BA & BH (and Chloe) at this point. Perhaps BA tells his wife, and maybe she tells JM, but no one besides BA and BH need to be involved at this point.

Once BH realizes that KR said she may have hit him, he decides to go back to CPD, breaks the tail light, returns to 34F and quietly drops a few pieces in the snow. Everyone's else just jumps on board, trusting or fearing BA/BH and also hating KR. And even if she didn't do it, I am sure many of them justify that this is all her fault anyway, because she was "cheating" on JOK and started the entire thing.

JMO

 

[mzmarymac]

Nope, they just showed some of the CW leaving on Court TV.
I'm thinking Karen is sick.
IMO.

I cannot imagine what all of this has done to this poor woman considering all of her medical issues.

 

[nodamselindistress]

Evidently the O'Keefe family and the prosecution team were seen, but no sighting of the defense team. Speculation is that KR is sick, she does have an illness that can be exacerbated by stress.

 

[Izzylizzy]

We know that there will be no footage/audio of when JOK's minor niece and nephew testify and rightfully so.
Are reporters permitted in the courtroom during their testimonies and if so can they report on what was said?
I didn't watch the 1st trial and am clueless about how this was and now will be handled.
Thanks,

 

[mzmarymac]

Court TV says that the defense team, KR, and her parents did not show up this morning.

OMG I hope nothing happened to her or her parents. The stress this family has been under...