MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #26 Retrial

[Elliot_Alderson]

According to Yuri Buhkenik, we can just trust whatever CPD says happened to the evidence/chain of command! ‘It was in their possession’ after all…

I roll my eyes so hard they're probably stuck in the top of my skull

 

[Angelwatch]

Retraumatizing her, and for what?

Exactly. We all know the relationship was ending. Karen had one foot out the door texting Higgins, and was staying because she had a connection to the niece. It was complicated and messy. Already established.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Does anyone know with who the niece and nephew ended up living with?

 

[OldCop]

I don't believe she is saying it doesn't exist as I read through that article. Also, it's sop to write a report when discovering and turning in evidence. JMOO

I wish someone had reminded Lt Gallagher of that.

 

[missy1974]

Yeah - we know O'Hara wrote something because he talks about it on direct and X. At one point in T1, I recall Yannetti gets very focussed on a bunch of measurements that he must be getting from a report - but he doesn't admit that report so that O'Hara can see it to refresh memory. I never understood what was going on with that - I guess I will chase it down later.

I was rewatching his testimony from this trial last night after I was reading here about the tail light pieces.

He or his team didn't do any measurements. They provided the GPS locations of the pieces they took and handed that over to the investigators, so they could do the measurements if they wanted. (he awas being asked about the location of the pieces, how far apart, etc)

So it's possible in the 1st trial, the report Yannetti was talking to him about was not his report, so they couldn't be admited during his testimony because it wasn't his report?

 

[Wishbone]

Does anyone know with who the niece and nephew ended up living with?

From what I picked up, Peg moved into JO's house with the kids I believe, Not Sure. JMOO

 

[waldojabba]

Does anyone know with who the niece and nephew ended up living with?

I believe Peg, John's mother, moved into the house where John lived in Canton. The house in Canton had been owned by the kids parents before they died. JMO

 

[PamCake]

I thought about that as well , I live in an area where it can be snowy, snow storms, cold, etc.

I was rewatching some ring videos today. I am now not sure, when I remembered that she was parked in the garage for hours before leaving around 5am and bumped John's car. So... would they be stuck after being in the garage? and would they still be on there after that bump? Same for the hair, would it still be on there after that bump and 5am drive?

I have so many questions lol

I had forgotten that her car was inside for several hours. That does make it more mysterious.

 

[minazoe]

Even the driveway is to the right of the house.
IMO.

looking from the street it is on the left, looking from the house it is on the right.

 

[arielilane]

I roll my eyes so hard they're probably stuck in the top of my skull

Here's a fav of mine, feel free to use:
I saw this and almost rolled my eyes into another dimension.

 

[mrjitty]

Exactly. It was not evidence in the trial. MOO but when the defense's theory potentially hinges on when this specific evidence was obtained, this report could be the single most important piece of evidence. Especially in a case bursting at the seams with police misconduct, missing/incorrect reports and logs, manipulated video evidence, etc.

OK but you need to consider at least the following:

1. If the evidence recovery was not sufficiently documented, the CW would have struggled to get it into evidence in the first place. Yet it came in without objection?

2. Did AJ / Yannetti ever cross the witness about the supposedly missing report?

3. It's clear there is documentation of come kind because it's referred to by both counsel and the witness.

My understanding, and I don't have the time to chase it down at the moment, is that O'Hara was searching, and documentation was created by the detectives. So this would explain why O'Hara was not allowed to see the report to refresh his memory - he didn't create it so he is the wrong witness.

IMO.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

OK but you need to consider at least the following:

1. If the evidence recovery was not sufficiently documented, the CW would have struggled to get it into evidence in the first place. Yet it came in without objection?

2. Did AJ / Yannetti ever cross the witness about the supposedly missing report?

3. It's clear there is documentation of come kind because it's referred to by both counsel and the witness.

My understanding, and I don't have the time to chase it down at the moment, is that O'Hara was searching, and documentation was created by the detectives. So this would explain why O'Hara was not allowed to see the report to refresh his memory - he didn't create it so he is the wrong witness.

IMO.

Well if I was testifying in a murder trial, I'd be pretty sure to study up on all reports so I can answer all the questions asked of me. Must just be lazy, MOO.

 

[mrjitty]

I was rewatching his testimony from this trial last night after I was reading here about the tail light pieces.

He or his team didn't do any measurements. They provided the GPS locations of the pieces they took and handed that over to the investigators, so they could do the measurements if they wanted. (he awas being asked about the location of the pieces, how far apart, etc)

So it's possible in the 1st trial, the report Yannetti was talking to him about was not his report, so they couldn't be admited during his testimony because it wasn't his report?

Yes - this appears to be correct - I just did a quick check

O'Hara wrote a brief response report, but the evidence documentation was done by the detectives, as O'Hara was deployed as searcher.

What's confusing is the photos came in via O'Hara and not Tully - but I guess that was stipulated and doesn't matter at the end of the day.

IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

OK but you need to consider at least the following:

1. If the evidence recovery was not sufficiently documented, the CW would have struggled to get it into evidence in the first place. Yet it came in without objection?

2. Did AJ / Yannetti ever cross the witness about the supposedly missing report?

3. It's clear there is documentation of come kind because it's referred to by both counsel and the witness.

My understanding, and I don't have the time to chase it down at the moment, is that O'Hara was searching, and documentation was created by the detectives. So this would explain why O'Hara was not allowed to see the report to refresh his memory - he didn't create it so he is the wrong witness.

IMO.

Respectfully, you’re assuming standard procedure in a case that’s been anything but standard. Yes, typically if something wasn’t properly documented, it wouldn’t make it into evidence. But in this case, plenty did make it in despite being misdated, missing, or blatantly incomplete. The courtroom has already seen manipulated surveillance timestamps, missing vehicle logs, and officers contradicting their own grand jury testimony. So citing “it came in without objection” isn’t a strong argument in this trial, IMO.

As for cross-examining the witness: if the defense isn’t allowed access to the report, how exactly are they supposed to question it meaningfully? Saying “it must exist because it was referred to” doesn’t hold water when the reference itself was vague, and the actual document has never been entered, seen, or disclosed. And that’s exactly the issue.

If O’Hara didn’t create it, fine. But why hasn’t the actual author testified? Why hasn’t the prosecution produced the report, especially when its timestamp could resolve a major timeline dispute?

All IMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

I believe Peg, John's mother, moved into the house where John lived in Canton. The house in Canton had been owned by the kids parents before they died. JMO

John sold the kids' parents' home in the Ponkapoag region of Canton after they died. He then bought the house on Meadows where all three lived at the time of his death. (Public records - Norfolk Registry of Deeds).

After his death, his mother moved into 1 Meadows with the kids. John's father still lives in their Braintree home.

 

[lohrtabitha]

I’m so frustrated right now that the CW isn’t calling Higgins, Alberts, Proctor—people with relevant info and instead puts vulnerable kids on the stand. We already know Karen didn’t access the ring video so they don’t need to testify to how it’s accessed. We’ve seen the texts and know the relationship had run its course and John didn’t like Karen spoiling the kids. This won’t be lost on the jury, especially if they happen to be parents.

Don't worry when the defense calls them, the jury will see that the CW was hiding whoever of these witnesses they did not call... it is my belief.

 

[Leilei]

looking from the street it is on the left, looking from the house it is on the right.

I'm confused... does this not show the driveway on the right, looking from the street?

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/34-Fairview-Rd_Canton_MA_02021_M39682-88235

 

[arielilane]

John sold the kids' parents' home in the Ponkapoag region of Canton after they died. He then bought the house on Meadows where all three lived at the time of his death. (Public records - Norfolk Registry of Deeds).

After his death, his mother moved into 1 Meadows with the kids. John's father still lives in their Braintree home.

How is this relevant to the case of where people are living? jmo

 

[minazoe]

I'm confused... does this not show the driveway on the right, looking from the street?

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/34-Fairview-Rd_Canton_MA_02021_M39682-88235

weird the image I have seen is the reverse. mOO

 

[missy1974]

Yes - this appears to be correct - I just did a quick check

O'Hara wrote a brief response report, but the evidence documentation was done by the detectives, as O'Hara was deployed as searcher.

What's confusing is the photos came in via O'Hara and not Tully - but I guess that was stipulated and doesn't matter at the end of the day.

IMO

The photo's, I'm not sure how he was able to get them in on his testimony lol I started rewatching Tully's testimony from 1st trial last night too, but didn't finish because apparently I need to sleep haha

I was looking for something though.. and maybe someone can help me. It has been said that 4 (?) officers showed up during their search... do we know who they were?
Not one officer has come forward to say, hey that was me or us? I even searched to see how many Canton PD officers they have lol (google tells me 60ish including civilian personnel, so didn't really help lol)