MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[Linda7NJ]

What is the reason the crime lab was not asked to go to the hospital or the where the tail light pieces where found to retrieve the "evidence".

That’s not the wait it works

IMO

 

[tara83]

He didn’t have access-

IMO

Wrong. It was proven he would have had access.

 

[missy1974]

He didn’t have access-

IMO

According to his supervisor's testimony, YB's... he did.

Not my opinion... it's in testimony.

 

[HarmonyE.]

IMO To understand what goes on in this neck of the woods you need to have read a lot of the other comments/articles in this thread by the locals.
IMO you are perhaps missing out on what the history and culture are re politics and LE in Massachusetts. Its a long storied and sorted past.
Take a look if you are interested, at the Sandra Birchmore case - over lapping LE in this case and that one.
I have been "marinating" in it ( the culture/the politics) for fifty years, so i think I have a pretty good read on the flavor of things - Just something to consider - everything imo is not always black and white as we'd like it to be

JMO

This is very true. In order to look at this case objectively, I think it's important for non-locals to understand this.

Massachusetts residents have been hearing stories for years about some truly terrible behavior by members of the state police. Nothing would surprise us. It's not a stretch at all for any of us to believe that a truly gross character like disgraced Former Trooper Michael Proctor would plant evidence to help out a friend and fellow cop.

He never even should have been on the case. He's a Canton townie who attended weddings with the Alberts, was looking for Julie Albert to babysit his toddlers, and hung out in his State police vehicle getting drunk on the job with Kevin Albert.

Connect the dots!

 

[missy1974]

The song and dance starts around 6:39 of YB's cross exam. The shirts were laid out in their office for 6 days.

It was not in an evidence room until Feb 4th.


6:51:10
So for six days anybody who had access to that
6:51:17
room could have handled the that clothing in any way they wanted to
6:51:22
That's correct And that includes former trooper Michael Proctor
6:51:27
That's correct

Replying to myself, because I am not even sure that it went to an evidence room after the 4th because no one has logs of anything. And Proctor didn't give it to the lab until sometime in March (this comes up repeatedly throughout the trial). So not only did he have access while it was drying for 6 days, once it was bagged, no one really knows where it was. JMO

 

[RatFace]

In Massachusetts, the word 'correct' has only one syllable. To add to the missing R's and other oddities.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So in trial 2, this is the 6th expert voir dire that the defense requested and the judge denied.

In contrast, the court granted 4 of the CW’s 5 requests to voir dire def experts (2 of whom had already been subject to voir dire), not including Easter, who was excluded in full. WTAF. MOO.

 

[Hejejej]

This is very true. In order to look at this case objectively, I think it's important for non-locals to understand this.

Massachusetts residents have been hearing stories for years about some truly terrible behavior by members of the state police. Nothing would surprise us. It's not a stretch at all for any of us to believe that a truly gross character like disgraced Former Trooper Michael Proctor would plant evidence to help out a friend and fellow cop.

He never even should have been on the case. He's a Canton townie who attended weddings with the Alberts, was looking for Julie Albert to babysit his toddlers, and hung out in his State police vehicle getting drunk on the job with Kevin Albert.

Connect the dots!

MA resident to non's: just watch The Departed to get the vibe. Brennan was Whitey Bulger's attorney for cripes sake.

 

[cocomod]

That's the problem with trying to assign a time to something that never happened

Perfectly stated!

 

[cocomod]

I think we can critique the Judge's decisions in the case without calling for her to be investigated by the federal government.

IMO

I disagree, she should be held to a professional standard. If (as obvious to everyone watching this trial) she is showing bias as a judge, she most certainly does need to be investigated. The world is watching this trial, and the amount of people seeing her bias and critiquing her is huge. The amount of attorney's I have read saying she is bias is crazy. It is not just our layman's opinions!

 

[cocomod]

There are two things I don't understand about the Karen Read Trial. Following the dramatic hearing, Read spoke to reporters for the first time.
"We know who did it. We know. And we know who spearheaded this coverup. You all know,"

If they and we all know who did it and who spearheaded this coverup, why aren't these mystery persons or person being arrested, since everybody knows?

Also, Karen Read lied in the interview (I think 20/20) about how much she drank that evening/morning (she said 4 drinks and didn't finish them). Shouldn't this be brought up in court, since her blood alcohol level was over the limit? The video at the Waterfall shows her drinking alcohol, and adding shots to her drinks. After she added the shots, John O'Keefe stirred them into her drink.

Welcome to WebSleuths @Jeanny !

There is a huge flaw in your logic though. Karen's words did not kill OJO. Everyone there that night was drinking / many drunk! This still is not proof that she killed OJO! OJO was proven in court to be legally drunk that night! KR drinking is not the crime that they are trying to prove.

It is not the defenses job to prove who killed OJO. The CW has the burden of proof here. The defense is doing a great job of getting the CW's own experts to poke holes in their theory. The biggest hole so far was the medical examiner admitting he doesn't have any wounds that are consistent with being struck by a motor vehicle.

Most importantly, the CW must prove beyond that shadow of a doubt that KR hit OJO with her car and caused his death. They have not jumped that hurdle at all!

 

[ShadyLady]

Worth watching BH's 1st trial testimony again, as we wait...so we can compare. Will be very interesting to see how he will justify lying to court. There needs to be some explanation of his actions. IMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Worth watching BH's 1st trial testimony again, as we wait...so we can compare. Will be very interesting to see how he will justify lying to court. There needs to be some explanation of his actions. IMO

“When I said I was moving cars I meant I was touching them so I may have moved them .0000000000000000001% of an inch”

 

[cocomod]

The fact that sooooo many standard procedures were not followed is insane!! No chain of custody, no pictures of the most important piece of evidence in this case (at the time of securing said evidence), no absolute location of the body, no true and correct timeline!! Remember during the first trial, Lally stated one time in his opening statement and a completely different time in his closing? Because the evidence didn't support his theory - just as it doesn't support it now either!!

 

[kuromiiiilove]

“When I said I was moving cars I meant I was touching them so I may have moved them .0000000000000000001% of an inch”

Or it’ll be a ‘lesser evil’ type thing - ‘I didn’t give accurate testimony in trial 1 because I was reallyyyyy drunk that night and didn’t actually remember what I did in the police station. I was ashamed because I knew I wasn’t representing my badge well, but I still didn’t have anything to do with John’s death’

MOO

 

[Angelwatch]

“When I said I was moving cars I meant I was touching them so I may have moved them .0000000000000000001% of an inch”

LOL. He'll start making the word "move" seem ambiguous. I can see that happening.

 

[Angelwatch]

The fact that sooooo many standard procedures were not followed is insane!! No chain of custody, no pictures of the most important piece of evidence in this case (at the time of securing said evidence), no absolute location of the body, no true and correct timeline!! Remember during the first trial, Lally stated one time in his opening statement and a completely different time in his closing? Because the evidence didn't support his theory - just as it doesn't support it now either!!

It was all based on Jen McCabe and her 12:45am time she was so sure of because she was peering out the window. Well, we know that didn't happen.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Worth watching BH's 1st trial testimony again, as we wait...so we can compare. Will be very interesting to see how he will justify lying to court. There needs to be some explanation of his actions. IMO

Since his stated reason for being there was a lie, what WAS he doing there? Getting something? Or was he disposing of something connected with Brian Albert's residence? Would Kevin Albert's car have been one of those in the lot?

 

[NetSleuth_41]

I haven't been following this case as closely as I should be. I listened to the Crime Junkie podcast on it and then have been watching the trial on various YT channels as much as possible. I mean, to me, from what I do know, I don't think she did it. I think there is a reason her first trial ended in a mistrial, and I watched most of Jen McCabe's testimony, and the inconsistencies from her alone are so blatantly obvious. And that is just one example of one of the witnesses for the Prosecution just not being able to A) Keep their story straight or B) Provide a reasonable and logical answer to why they did something or why they said something....

 

[jepop]

I think we can critique the Judge's decisions in the case without calling for her to be investigated by the federal government.

IMO

Ofcourse you are free to critique the judge's decisions in the case (or not) without calling for her to be investigated.

But others, including myself, may feel differently, and as such will critique judge cannone's decisions differently. This may include expressing the valid opinion that one would like to see her investigated. I wanted to clear that up. Jmo