MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[Spectrix]

After today, I genuinely believe there’s a possibility Brennan and Judge Cannone are having ex parte meetings. MOO.

Is that like bedroom meetings?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Hi @Jeanny, I remember the video footage and have posted it a few times.
KR was speaking to reporter Steve Cooper on the steps of the courthouse that day.
The people she's targeted have not been arrested because there is absolutely no evidence of any wrongdoing, no evidence that John O'Keefe went into the house.

As you know KR is the defendant and she (and only KR) is on trial. However, theres a lot of fluff out there and thats all it is, is fluff, not evidence. Distraction. So be it. Science, facts, data, knows the truth. All points to KR.

Moreover, the federal investigation is closed. No evidence of police corruption found. No evidence that police targeted KR, no evidence of police trying to frame her.


In addition, reporter TD (bias) interviewed KR w/Jackson. At that time, this is the response about "who did it"

When Daniel asked who attacked O’Keefe, Jackson interjected, “We don’t know. And it’s not for us to know. Somebody other than Karen…is responsible for that, for the killing of John.”


So, changing your story is not a good look- why the inconsistency...
However, the changing stories continue and have been going on since she cant remain quiet- its her right to remain quiet!


<modsnip - opinion stated as fact>

Thanks for being aware!

All is just a matter of opinion

Karen Read tells her story in exclusive one-on-one interview: ‘I’ve been framed’

Read explained her involvement in every aspect of her criminal case, from her defense team’s aggressive strategy to media interviews and raising money for her estimated $5 million in legal fees.

www.boston25news.com

Hi @arielilane, I’m going to push back on a few points for clarity’s sake, not just to argue, but because what you’ve said presents a pretty one-sided narrative and skips over a lot of what’s actively unfolding in this trial.

First, calling legitimate defense evidence “fluff” undermines the entire point of having a trial at all. The notion that “science and data” point to KR as if it’s objective truth is exactly what’s in dispute. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t be in trial #2. Multiple prosecution witnesses have now bolstered the defense, not the CW’s timeline. From Whiffin to Dr. Scordi-Bello, we’ve seen contradictions that undercut the CW case.

Second, it’s inaccurate to claim the federal investigation “found no wrongdoing.” The Feds themselves haven’t made any public statement. The only people saying the inquiry is closed are from the CW’s camp, and frankly, IMO we’ve already seen their selective relationship with the truth. A lack of charges ≠ a clean bill of health. We don’t know what the DOJ is doing, because they have not told us.

Third, while it’s true that “only KR is on trial,” the integrity of the investigation is absolutely fair game. That includes witness statements changing from trial 1 to 2, Proctor’s behavior, and even the CW’s own experts altering their conclusions post-testimony.

As for KR’s BAC: yes, it’s relevant. But so is the fact that even the prosecution’s own experts haven’t made a scientifically sound case for a car strike being the mechanism of John’s death. That’s why there’s a retrial. That’s why people still have questions. Reasonable doubt lives in those gaps. And there are plenty of gaps.

All MOO.

 

[Leilei]

The 6th amendment : Defendant has the RIGHT to a FAIR trial.
Ratified in Dec, 1791

It is my opinion that this judge has trampled all over Karen Reads rights. This isn't Salem in 1633..

The world is watching....

And THIS is the whole issue.
Her whole life is at stake, again, for something that wasn't proven last year and isn't being proven this year. Yet her honor is showing her bias over and over, just like in T1. It was seen and questioned then AND now.
Imagine being in KR's shoes since JOK died. She didn't even have time to begin grieving before she was hauled in and arrested for the murder (???) of the man she loved. Fingers belonging to LE and their supporters being pointed at her. All the while, LE is borking the entire investigation over and over again, witnesses are changing their testimony or flat-out lying, the very person who controls the courtroom that she stands in is showing obvious preference to the CW, and she's supposed to roll over and take it.
And so much more.
It's a travesty, and some of these people, including her honor, need to be taken to task for their actions.
IMO and #sorrynotsorry

 

[Izzylizzy]

I didn't watch the first trial where BC declared a mistrial.
Did KR's legal team try and get a different judge for this trial?
Was the juror confusion leading to the mistrial blamed on BC giving inadequate instructions or something else or she got a pass?

Thanks

 

[Izzylizzy]

Hi @arielilane, I’m going to push back on a few points for clarity’s sake, not just to argue, but because what you’ve said presents a pretty one-sided narrative and skips over a lot of what’s actively unfolding in this trial.

First, calling legitimate defense evidence “fluff” undermines the entire point of having a trial at all. The notion that “science and data” point to KR as if it’s objective truth is exactly what’s in dispute. If it weren’t, we wouldn’t be in trial #2. Multiple prosecution witnesses have now bolstered the defense, not the CW’s timeline. From Whiffin to Dr. Scordi-Bello, we’ve seen contradictions that undercut the CW case.

Second, it’s inaccurate to claim the federal investigation “found no wrongdoing.” The Feds themselves haven’t made any public statement. The only people saying the inquiry is closed are from the CW’s camp, and frankly, IMO we’ve already seen their selective relationship with the truth. A lack of charges ≠ a clean bill of health. We don’t know what the DOJ is doing, because they have not told us.

Third, while it’s true that “only KR is on trial,” the integrity of the investigation is absolutely fair game. That includes witness statements changing from trial 1 to 2, Proctor’s behavior, and even the CW’s own experts altering their conclusions post-testimony.

As for KR’s BAC: yes, it’s relevant. But so is the fact that even the prosecution’s own experts haven’t made a scientifically sound case for a car strike being the mechanism of John’s death. That’s why there’s a retrial. That’s why people still have questions. Reasonable doubt lives in those gaps. And there are plenty of gaps.

All MOO.

I'd like to know what everyone in the house's BAC was.
imo

 

[tara83]

I'd like to know what everyone in the house's BAC was.
imo

A dead cop on the lawn and LE never goes in the house at all. How does that make sense?

 

[Leilei]

I'd like to know what everyone in the house's BAC was.
imo

We'll never know.
I stated a while ago that I would like to see the bar receipts from everyone involved, but, again, we'll never see them.
IMO.

 

[lohrtabitha]

The were wet, laid out and drying in a secure evidence area

Iirc & IMO

Secure evidence area? Like any evidence in this case was ever secured is a laughable concept.

 

[keek]

You do realize a cop actually lost their job because of behavior in this case? The lead investigator in the case no less.

State Police, friend of the Alberts and McCabe's, also partnered with another State detective what was on the stand and was very defensive, admitted he found Proctor had acted with honor and integrity, which was against what the State Police investigation on him, hence fired. I guess that goes down as criminal acts? Researching back is a great refresher and finding things that were small at the time, but turned out very huge, as we are all finding out. IMO

 

[ShadyLady]

Since his stated reason for being there was a lie, what WAS he doing there? Getting something? Or was he disposing of something connected with Brian Albert's residence? Would Kevin Albert's car have been one of those in the lot?

Oh did not think of that. He opened and turned on the headlights on two cars he parked by. I had to watch several times to see everything he did.

 

[ShadyLady]

State Police, friend of the Alberts and McCabe's, also partnered with another State detective what was on the stand and was very defensive, admitted he found Proctor had acted with honor and integrity, which was against what the State Police investigation on him, hence fired. I guess that goes down as criminal acts? Researching back is a great refresher and finding things that were small at the time, but turned out very huge, as we are all finding out. IMO

Haven't several now retired? Moved? Fired? in last two years?

 

[keek]

You do realize a cop actually lost their job because of behavior in this case? The lead investigator in the case no less.

Very unfortunately, there was NO investigation inside the house, nor the people that were there the night John was. The witness stated to the arriving officers and EMT's including Proctor, fired, that KR said that she hit him. Then it has run from there. NO investigation done inside the house where JOK's body was found on the lawn of those people. No investigation was done of those same people. Just sentences and hearsay were taken as proof. Horrific. Here we are. IMO

 

[keek]

Haven't several now retired? Moved? Fired? in last two years?

The chief of police there at the time has passed away. He had no ring camera footage he said and also had personal relationships with some of the witnesses. He also drove by the house long after and said he found red tail light pieces, as he drove by. IMO

 

[ShadyLady]

A dead Boston LEO with 3-4 unidentified dna profiles on his clothing and they never bothered to find out who they belonged to?????!!

"Could have been anyone."

 

[lohrtabitha]

You're kidding. IMO, she is either incompetent or corrupt, you name it.

I think she is both.

 

[ShadyLady]

The chief of police there at the time has passed away. He had no ring camera footage he said and also had personal relationships with some of the witnesses. He also drove by the house long after and said he found red tail light pieces, as he drove by. IMO

Bet there were several homes in that neighborhood that had videos....several. And the Edge would have been on camera, too.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Exactly. It's also worth pointing out that even though lawyers like Bederow complained a lot about the Judge's conduct at the end of Trial 1, the Appeal Courts have all supported her. So sometimes there is disagreement in the profession and it certainly does not mean the Judge is corrupt or incompetent.

MOO

Well the entire defense team has more intelligence than she will ever have. In truth, I feel she is jealous of how great they are at their job!!!moo

 

[keek]

Well the entire defense team has more intelligence than she will ever have. In truth, I feel she is jealous of how great they are at their job!!!moo

It does come off that way, why the defensiveness and blatant sighing and cutting the defense off mid sentence when asking witness questions? Why the tones of being aggravated? SO unprofessional and odd to think it is acceptable, especially when being televised, streamed in public. IMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

“When I said I was moving cars I meant I was touching them so I may have moved them .0000000000000000001% of an inch”

Yes @Elliot_Alderson ….. it moved more than one might think. And contrasted with, e.g. how much JOK vehicle IIRC moved when KR backed into it that morning. As I recall, some dispute that KR vehicle even had hit that vehicle…… but it was IMO quite obvious from the videos displayed that it had moved when struck by the right rear corner of KR Lexus. MOO

 

[keek]

One poster on here keeps stating over and over and over again that the investigation of the FBI is now over and KR is the only one charged. So therefore? Karen Read must be guilty!!!!
The thing is, we still don't know if there are charges pending the outcome of this trial. We don't even know who the FBI was investigating or for what. Was it Brian Higgins? Was it Tully? There are many unknowns about the FBI investigation that need to be cleared up.
MOO

No one would know this except some of the parties involved that should know this. Not the public. General public. IMO