MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[ShadyLady]

Respectfully, IIRC trooper proctor did lose his job in part for questionable behavior and conduct in the investigation of KR and death of JOK. And IIUC that included his saying disparaging things about KR health; making other condescending and disgusting remarks about KR to other colleagues and members of the Canton, MA police; and searching for compromising pictures or images of her on her own private phone.

What horrid behavior IMO. Whether or not evidence was planted is AFAIK not yet known, investigated, or determined. Yet there are several other questionable matters relating to the disgraced, now fired trooper proctor. That includes IIUC evidence collection techniques and labeling items as though Yuri Bukhenik had collected them and labeled when in fact he had not. That was attested to in the first trial by YB. And IIRC may also have been noted in evidence in the second trial. There is that also odd Sallyport inverted video. IMO quite a number of questionable or suspect conduct by a former member of MA law enforcement. MOO

If they fired him for handling of evidence CW would have no case....

 

[Wishbone]

No he just lost is job because he texted he was looking for naked pictures of Karen, called her the C-word which is most vile, and got caught drinking on the job. He's a real stand up guy huh? The kind that would never plant evidence? How can anyone ,especially a female, defend such a dirtbag? He is no better than Jeffrey Epstein or Harvey Weinstein. Moo

All this is true, but Yuri Bukhenik said the investigation was done with honor and integrity in his testimony. So I guess we should not pay attention to the reasons he was fired. JMOO

Proctor was dishonorably discharged in March after a state police trial board found that he had violated agency rules when he sent derogatory messages and shared sensitive and confidential details with non-law enforcement personnel.The board also found that Proctor drank alcohol while on duty and drove his cruiser afterward.

Karen Read murder case: Fired investigator Michael Proctor to loom over retrial as jury selection begins

The Massachusetts state trooper was fired last month over allegations that he had disparaged Read and shared confidential investigative details.

www.nbcnews.com

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[kuromiiiilove]

It’s wild how much sneakiness the CW is up to. For example, John’s clothes. They didn’t test his clothes for a while after his death, and if they thought Karen hit him with a vehicle, they really wouldn’t need to test his clothes for DNA. They tested them to disprove the third party defense - at least, if no further questions were asked about the testing. But of course, Alessi is thorough, and so we find they never actually sent in those swabs to compare against any database or anyone John was at the bar with that night. Just more smoke and mirrors. MOO.

 

[keek]

Just wondering here, how on earth can you have a scrape or cut on your arm but not penetrate the skin? The dog nail scrapes and bites on my arm last year during an attack by two dogs definitely penetrated the skin but could also be described as a scrapes on my arms. I have scars that I will have for the rest of my life but they can still be described as scrapes from the nails and teeth.

Remember the EMT on the first trial and prob this one, described them as furrows. That does not mean superficial to me, nor did they look like just 'scrapes' at all. Long and dark with blood 'cuts' made by the dog's nails on either side and teeth, those pointy tips: all those tiny holes on J's sleeve. To me, a scrape is a scrape, which we all know what that looks like, super superficial, no matter of concern at all. These were very different. IMO

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Just wondering here, how on earth can you have a scrape or cut on your arm but not penetrate the skin? The dog nail scrapes and bites on my arm last year during an attack by two dogs definitely penetrated the skin but could also be described as a scrapes on my arms. I have scars that I will have for the rest of my life but they can still be described as scrapes from the nails and teeth.

Thank you @lonetraveler …. for highlighting this. I also was confused and puzzled at what I understood of that testimony. Looking at the pictures of wounds to JOK arm sure IMO appeared to be furrows, cuts, tears, otherwise compromised skin. And to a point where blood was drawn IMO.

And yet IIUC that witness was trying to differentiate between an abrasion and a cut IIUC? And hadn’t measured those furrow’s depths? That seems alarming IMO. Did someone seek certain testimony on that for the trial?

I was alarmed by that testimony and wonder how it aligns with others or even from that given in the first trial?

I am not a pathologist, doctor, or medical, examiner…… but IMO if the skin is perforated, torn, or cut to a point of bleeding or compromise of the epidermis that is not an abrasion IMO. MOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

Imagine all the things he has done and said that we are

All this is true, but Yuri Bukhenik said the investigation was done with honor and integrity in his testimony. So I guess we should not pay attention to the reasons he was fired. JMOO

Proctor was dishonorably discharged in March after a state police trial board found that he had violated agency rules when he sent derogatory messages and shared sensitive and confidential details with non-law enforcement personnel.The board also found that Proctor drank alcohol while on duty and drove his cruiser afterward.

Karen Read murder case: Fired investigator Michael Proctor to loom over retrial as jury selection begins

The Massachusetts state trooper was fired last month over allegations that he had disparaged Read and shared confidential investigative details.

www.nbcnews.com

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YB testified that he just sent a thumbs up saying he received Proctors text but I bet he laughed when he read them. Maybe even talked about them over a beer. He is no better than Proctor in my opinion.

 

[ShadyLady]

Thank you @lonetraveler …. for highlighting this. I also was confused and puzzled at what I understood of that testimony. Looking at the pictures of wounds to JOK arm sure IMO appeared to be furrows, cuts, tears, otherwise compromised skin. And to a point where blood was drawn IMO.

And yet IIUC that witness was trying to differentiate between an abrasion and a cut IIUC? And hadn’t measured those furrow’s depths? That seems alarming IMO. Did someone seek certain testimony on that for the trial?

I was alarmed by that testimony and wonder how it aligns with others or even from that given in the first trial?

I am not a pathologist, doctor, or medical, examiner…… but IMO if the skin is perforated, torn, or cut to a point of bleeding or compromise of the epidermis that is not an abrasion IMO. MOO

Scrapes would not cause holes punched in sweatshirt. IMO.

And still have not heard an explanation as to why John was bleeding from his mouth. He had bled a lot right? But why the mouth, did he have internal injuries, too?

 

[Warwick7]

Respectfully suggesting that you read the article.
"Your chain of custody at the lab for the two shirts and the plastic, that began on March 14, 2022. So, between Jan 29 and March 14 you don't know what Michael Proctor did with the evidence?" Yannetti said.

"I don't know," Vallier said.

BBM
Shaking my head.....

 

[Leilei]

All this is true, but Yuri Bukhenik said the investigation was done with honor and integrity in his testimony. So I guess we should not pay attention to the reasons he was fired. JMOO

Proctor was dishonorably discharged in March after a state police trial board found that he had violated agency rules when he sent derogatory messages and shared sensitive and confidential details with non-law enforcement personnel.The board also found that Proctor drank alcohol while on duty and drove his cruiser afterward.

Karen Read murder case: Fired investigator Michael Proctor to loom over retrial as jury selection begins

The Massachusetts state trooper was fired last month over allegations that he had disparaged Read and shared confidential investigative details.

www.nbcnews.com

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And guess who he was drinking with?
Kevin Albert, who left his BADGE in the cruiser.

Lead investigator in Karen Read trial finishes testimony, supervisor takes stand

Editor’s note: The testimony was at times graphic. The lead investigator in the Karen Read murder trial completed his testimony on Wednesday, and his unit’s supervisor, Det. Lt. Brian Tully, took the stand. Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor’s testimony was nothing short of...

www.nbcboston.com

Deplorable, the lot of them.
IMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

Thank you @lonetraveler …. for highlighting this. I also was confused and puzzled at what I understood of that testimony. Looking at the pictures of wounds to JOK arm sure IMO appeared to be furrows, cuts, tears, otherwise compromised skin. And to a point where blood was drawn IMO.

And yet IIUC that witness was trying to differentiate between an abrasion and a cut IIUC? And hadn’t measured those furrow’s depths? That seems alarming IMO. Did someone seek certain testimony on that for the trial?

I was alarmed by that testimony and wonder how it aligns with others or even from that given in the first trial?

I am not a pathologist, doctor, or medical, examiner…… but IMO if the skin is perforated, torn, or cut to a point of bleeding or compromise of the epidermis that is not an abrasion IMO. MOO

The two dogs who attacked me was a Chinese Sharpee and a Pit Bull. I bled very heavily and have scars forever.

 

[Forest_Wood]

YB testified that he just sent a thumbs up saying he received Proctors text but I bet he laughed when he read them. Maybe even talked about them over a beer. He is no better than Proctor in my opinion.

Such a liar he is! Of course he read the texts. Every single disgusting text. And how convenient he used his wrist smart watch. I’m pretty sure he added that in because law-enforcement would not be permitted to use their cell phone while directing traffic. He’s definitely as big of a liar as Proctor.

 

[Linda7NJ]

There is no burden for the defense to prove something happened in the house. They are raising reasonable doubt that something *could* have happened in the house. This argument is only possible because the CPD and MSP did not follow typical procedure in their investigation.

All MOO.

It’s not reasonable to me when it’s a complete fabrication lacking seriousness & evidence
IMO
It’s something Karen Read came up with when she learned after asking her lawyer what if she had clipped him IN THE KNEE & in his drunkenness & didn’t get up and was informed she would have culpability.

All IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Well you won't find it because LE never went in the house. Don't you find it odd that a dead man is found on a lawn and they never bother to go in the house?

No, there was no probable cause.
IMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

ah....I have 1950's mentality and morals...and believe in justice. I believe LE is first line of defense for citizens and should be honorable and honest. I believe in our court system when it works honestly and fairly. None of these people involved with this case were from the 1950's.

I was referring to how some men seemingly treated women in the 50s and those who stand up for their behavior.

 

[Forest_Wood]

And guess who he was drinking with?
Kevin Albert, who left his BADGE in the cruiser.

Lead investigator in Karen Read trial finishes testimony, supervisor takes stand

Editor’s note: The testimony was at times graphic. The lead investigator in the Karen Read murder trial completed his testimony on Wednesday, and his unit’s supervisor, Det. Lt. Brian Tully, took the stand. Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor’s testimony was nothing short of...

www.nbcboston.com

Deplorable, the lot of them.
IMO.

And had no idea where his gun was left! Imagine if somebody had gotten a hold of his gun and used it?

 

[STLBlues]

No, there was no probable cause.
IMO

Interesting. I have several friends (one a detective) in LE and a family member. Every one of them said the house should have been searched.

 

[keek]

And had no idea where his gun was left! Imagine if somebody had gotten a hold of his gun and used it?

Just a couple of good ol' boys enjoying their day. There is the mentality and casualness, arrogance they had regarding their positions. IMO

 

[keek]

No, there was no probable cause.
IMO

Dead man on lawn where I am sure EVENTUALLY Jen Mc said that he was supposed to be coming in to their party, but 'did not'. PROBABLE CAUSE to any LE one would think, but it was THAT particular group and dept. It really is beyond belief to LE that I also know, standard procedure. IMO.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[waldojabba]

It really does and most likely time to focus on the current and weekly information from the trial from witnesses and specialists in their field.. I am, good reminder. Otherwise, it removes focus from what is happening at this time in the trial. IMO

Agree - I am looking forward to hearing the rest of the P's case and then moving on to the D's witnesses.
The judge said we are on schedule - Does anyone remember when she epected this to go to the jury?
Appreciate it