MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[arielilane]

While Read's SUV indicates a "trigger event" occurred at 12:31:38, O'Keefe's phone shows he manually locked it at 12:32:09. The prosecution's witness is expected to testify that the phone clock was 21-29 seconds ahead and that the locking of the phone and event logged by the SUV actually occurred at approximately the same time.

Karen Read retrial: Updates, summaries from every day of the case

A jury found Karen Read, the Massachusetts woman accused in connection with the death of her boyfriend John O'Keefe, a Boston police officer, not guilty of second-degree murder, but guilty of a lesser charge of drunken driving.

www.wcvb.com

5/16/2025

 

[mzmarymac]

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That said, let it be known that when I started watching this case I was thinking she was guilty. I back the blue most of the time. I don't believe in conspiracy theories without a lot of proof. So I am watched this case with strong skepticism, but have come to realize that there is a GREAT deal of proof of this conspiracy, however, the most important thing is that there is enough reasonable doubt in this case to choke a horse!

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

While Read's SUV indicates a "trigger event" occurred at 12:31:38, O'Keefe's phone shows he manually locked it at 12:32:09. The prosecution's witness is expected to testify that the phone clock was 21-29 seconds ahead and that the locking of the phone and event logged by the SUV actually occurred at approximately the same time.

Karen Read retrial: Updates, summaries from every day of the case

A jury found Karen Read, the Massachusetts woman accused in connection with the death of her boyfriend John O'Keefe, a Boston police officer, not guilty of second-degree murder, but guilty of a lesser charge of drunken driving.

www.wcvb.com

5/16/2025

BBM
I'm confused....
Is there a video showing JO locking his phone?

Because if there's not, then anyone can pick up his phone and lock it.

For that matter, anyone can move it, throw it, lock it, hide it etc etc....

 

[Forest_Wood]

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Some people are quick to say John wanted to break up. But according to his texts to Karen, he was not considering breaking up with her.
These were the progression of most of John's texts to Karen on Jan 28 2022. For 7 straight hours, he told her he wanted to see her. He wanted her to stay over with him in Canton until at least Monday. He was planning to see her the following week to fix her hot water heater. He never told her he wanted to end their relationship, even after she asked him several times. He just wanted the arguing to miraculously stop, even though it seemed he started the arguments mostly. John was a master at giving Karen mixed messages.

At 1:47:38 (4:50 time on video) What time are you coming here?
At 2:05:30 (4:58) Emoji sign
At 2:32:28 (9:32) Sick of always arguing and fighting. It's been weekly for several months now. So yeh I'm not as quick to jump back into being lovey lovey as you apparently.
At 2:34:03 (10:35) Not into fighting all the time, correct.
At 4:47:16 (18:28) What's your plan?
At 4:50:26 (18:42) So still home?
At 5:02:23 (19:15) So are you staying home or coming here?
At 5:19:42 (22:35) Gonna send Patrick to Colin's tonight. They're picking him up around 7. Mike may hang too when he brings Mad over. So why don't you just come over.
At 5:20:56 (23:12)I just got sober an hour ago.
At 6:33:44 (26:13) Told you to come over but you insisted on meeting me out somewhere.
At 7:06:13 (28:32) We're heading out shortly. What's your plan Karen?
At 7:07:04 (28:45) (To her question if he still wanted her to join him). Yes. Wasn't sure if you were meeting the Currans.
At 7:22:28 (29:42) Text me when you leave...
At 7:25 (30:04) You trying to piss me off?
At 7:26:24 (30:10) Hope your plumber buddy that you texted is hot.
At 7:28:00 (32:00) Just turn it back to where it was and get over here.
At 7:43:10 (33:20) We're taking Mike's car so I'm relying on you for a ride home if he leaves.
At 7:44:36 (34:08) You have a plumber coming over at 8:00 knowing me and Papa could have handled it. Good luck.
At 7:55:00 (34:49) If you need a new water heater, don't let him do it.
At 8:28:30 (37:08) Tell him to leave it, I'll take care of it Sunday or Monday.
At 8:32:00 (38:52) Figured you'd be in Canton til Monday.

 

[mrjitty]

dbm

 

[arielilane]

Sorry for your confusion.

Jen McCabe was an acquaintance of John's through the kids. Not a hang out buddy like Higgins was. I'm sorry. I thought everyone knew Jen and John weren't best buds.

JMc testified they were friends- I believe her. She is a very credible witness in my opinion.

As for happy and laughing - Did you watch the last couple of minutes of the Waterfall video? Higgins was yelling angrily in John's direction and had to be restrained by Chris Albert and a few seconds later by Brian Albert. John was laughing at him. But Karen wasn't involved in the exchange and wouldn't have known anything about it. We also have no idea what John may have said to BH to set him off. I think it's very important to watch this video to understand the dynamic between these two men just before John was murdered. Strongly recommended viewing.

Ive watched it more than I can count... I disagree with your opinion of the video which had no audio, btw.

Why do you think BH wanted to know whether John was coming to the party at 12:21? To continue the exchange seems a fair guess. IMO, of course.

Friends usually want to know if another friend is attending same party that they will be at. It's human nature. No guess needed on my part.

Karen was stringing Higgins along for sure and she didn't have cancer as far as I know. But not the same MO as murdering your boyfriend, wouldn't you agree?

I didn't address John "throwing up". Do you have a link to when she said this and to whom? Context and timing are important. As are facts, as I'm sure you'd agree. Are you saying you think she hit him because she knew he'd vomited? Please explain.

No, I never said she hit him because she knew he'd vomited.. geesh... come on, now.

Why don't I think BA wouldn't go to great lengths to protect BH? BH wasn't family. Why risk prison time over a cover up for someone like Higgins? It's a risk - reward question.

Why would BH risk his career over KR. Makes absolutely no sense at all. No way, no how. Period. The End. No evidence. Sad to victimize and target innocent people. jmo

Huge chain of custody problems with the clothing, as you might have noted. Michael Proctor! Also, John's arm wounds, which were obviously not caused by her car, were never swabbed and tested for anything.

Nope. Youre hearing and believing what you choose to in this case. Your choice. Not mine. Thank you

Where "is" the grass stains? I never said John was dragged. Why are you saying he had to have been dragged? There was sufficient manpower in the middle of the night for him to have been carried. Tristan Morris showed up to get Caitlin long after everyone else left (although the Alberts originally lied to LE and told them she'd been the first to leave the party. Weird lie to tell, no?)

My apologies if you did not say he was dragged.

That's quite the task, after a night of drinking (not to mention a long day after attending another cops funeral, driving, etc.) you carry a cop to his final resting area by the flag pole. Any guess on why they chose the flag pole area?

All over KR, is this a comedy?

Oh, btw, CA did nothing wrong. He is an innocent young man (at the time of JOK's death, he was a minor) and he is victimized relentlessly. In addition, the other witnesses are victims too. The jury will remember how Jackson's cross of these witnesses were when all they were doing was simply trying to tell the truth. Their truth.

My own opinion

 

[BUF]

JMO on what I think may have happened that night. When JOK went into Albert’s house (and I believe he did), Higgins was loudly and forcefully saying/ maybe screaming at JOK and Chloe picked up on it and lunged onto JOK, JOK tried to fight off Chloe and that’s when all those scratches/bite abrasions on his arm occurred, then BA’s nephew CA picked up a bat and swung it hitting JOK in the head (maybe this was not intentional)….but he sure left his in uncle’s house not long after.

All of these guys were heavily drinking that afternoon/evening. They all seemed to be in their clique, very protective of their clique and their families, all were in LE together clearly not thinking clearly…or maybe this is the way they just handled things when things got bad. They eventually drug JOK outside maybe hoping the snow plow would eventually pick him up with the storm continuing to get worse. When their plan didn’t seem to be working, they had to change and pinned it on KR…the “Canton outsider”.

The whole “rehoming” (their words) of Chloe that happened immediately (I honestly believe that dog is no longer alive) along with so many other things are HUGE red flags to me.

I know there are differing opinions on this thread, but this is mine and has been for quite a while.

 

[Forest_Wood]

ALL JMO
I’ve been thinking about the same things. I go back to Jen’s testimony where she says John is a close friend whom she helped as he was transitioning into parenting. Her daughter is friends with his niece I think. She does say that after some kid drop offs, one or the other would come in for drinks. And, in T1, she got very emotional saying that she would never leave her friend, who she LOVED, outside to die in the cold. What if Jen* had a thing with/for JO? And, KR’s reluctance to walk away from the relationship was mucking up the works? I’ll bet JM peed her pants in glee when she found out about BH. I can see that little nugget spreading like wildfire that evening before KR/JO arrived at the bar. JM (you’re coming with me) was going to make sure KR was there when BH told JO about the texts.

Don’t tell me that BH and BA spent the entire car ride from NyC to Canton and never mentioned KR. Those texts from KR, plus the KR initiated kiss, plus whatever happened when she went to his Boston apt, was major league excitement for a single guy in his 40s. Don’t tell me they didnt talk about it and dissect what was going on. ESPECIALLY when she stopped communicating with him without explanation. He wanted a relationship and she wanted to fool around and make JO jealous so his feelings were hurt AND he’s pissed at getting played. So, BA knew the score and then witnesses KR blatantly ignoring BH at Waterfall. All their ‘play fighting’ was just them causing a ruckus to get her attention —and it didn’t work.

*wanted to add that KR is educated, smart and accomplished with her own money. She has loving parents and siblings, a sense of fashion and no kids or husband to tie her down. Contrast JM who couldn’t spell ‘hypothermia’ and spent her days shuttling kids around, coaching kids and socializing with other parents talking about kids. Not a stretch for her to be jealous of KR and her lifestyle in ADDITION to her being with JO.
ALL IMO ! Just musing….

I've considered that JMc may have been having an affair with JOK also, or she wanted to!
The way she fawned over him in the Waterfall video was embarrassing. The way she kept texting and calling him to make sure he came to the party. Her revenge at trying to get Karen charged. Her anger towards KR in the courtroom (even after 3 years). I too think she was very jealous of Karen's beauty, brains, money, style, lifestyle, and of course, envious of Karen's relationship with John O'Keefe, especially because her own husband Matt seems like such a dud in so many ways.
MOO

 

[PamCake]

I have a hard time reaching a conclusion as to what really happened with the pieces of taillight. Does anyone know the following?
1. Does the cw have photographic or video proof that the condition of the taillight when the suv sat in Dighton was the same as the condition when it pulled into the sallyport 1+ hours later? I saw the video of the suv pulling into the sallyport but I couldn’t see the details of the taillight.
2. Has the tow truck driver, who transported the suv from Dighton to the Canton sallyport, testified either in T1 or T2 as to whether the tow truck stopped anywhere between Dighton and Canton?
Thanks.

My thoughts exactly!

 

[ShadyLady]

I'm not aware of your source for RN's text time, but Waze location data and speed of travel of John's phone being consistent with being in a car, per Cellebrite expert Ian Whiffin, indicates it was not yet outside 34 Fairview at 12.23am.

approx 3.13.00

This proves Whiffin wrong...as all the witnesses in Ryan's car saw Karen ahead of them. And saw only her waiting in her suv when they left.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

JMO on what I think may have happened that night. When JOK went into Albert’s house (and I believe he did), Higgins was loudly and forcefully saying/ maybe screaming at JOK and Chloe picked up on it and lunged onto JOK, JOK tried to fight off Chloe and that’s when all those scratches/bite abrasions on his arm occurred, then BA’s nephew CA picked up a bat and swung it hitting JOK in the head (maybe this was not intentional)….but he sure left his in uncle’s house not long after.

All of these guys were heavily drinking that afternoon/evening. They all seemed to be in their clique, very protective of their clique and their families, all were in LE together clearly not thinking clearly…or maybe this is the way they just handled things when things got bad. They eventually drug JOK outside maybe hoping the snow plow would eventually pick him up with the storm continuing to get worse. When their plan didn’t seem to be working, they had to change and pinned it on KR…the “Canton outsider”.

The whole “rehoming” (their words) of Chloe that happened immediately (I honestly believe that dog is no longer alive) along with so many other things are HUGE red flags to me.

I know there are differing opinions on this thread, but this is mine and has been for quite a while.

She wasn’t rehomed immediately. I do believe she was removed from the house that night but she bit a second person couple of months later and then was rehomed. We talked about this previously in this thread or the last one but I don’t have time to find it. MOO

 

[sunshineray]

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That said, let it be known that when I started watching this case I was thinking she was guilty. I back the blue most of the time. I don't believe in conspiracy theories without a lot of proof. So I am watched this case with strong skepticism, but have come to realize that there is a GREAT deal of proof of this conspiracy, however, the most important thing is that there is enough reasonable doubt in this case to choke a horse!

JMO

Respectfully couldn't disagree with you more.

 

[ShadyLady]

I've considered that JMc may have been having an affair with JOK also, or she wanted to!
The way she fawned over him in the Waterfall video was embarrassing. The way she kept texting and calling him to make sure he came to the party. Her revenge at trying to get Karen charged. Her anger towards KR in the courtroom (even after 3 years). I too think she was very jealous of Karen's beauty, brains, money, style, lifestyle, and of course, envious of Karen's relationship with John O'Keefe, especially because her own husband Matt seems like such a dud in so many ways.
MOO

I suspect this, too. Bored housewife. And playdates in the pool?

Maybe Karen's suspicions were right and there was another women.

 

[sunshineray]

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Some people are quick to say John wanted to break up. But according to his texts to Karen, he was not considering breaking up with her.
These were the progression of most of John's texts to Karen on Jan 28 2022. For 7 straight hours, he told her he wanted to see her. He wanted her to stay over with him in Canton until at least Monday. He was planning to see her the following week to fix her hot water heater. He never told her he wanted to end their relationship, even after she asked him several times. He just wanted the arguing to miraculously stop, even though it seemed he started the arguments mostly. John was a master at giving Karen mixed messages.

At 1:47:38 (4:50 time on video) What time are you coming here?
At 2:05:30 (4:58) Emoji sign
At 2:32:28 (9:32) Sick of always arguing and fighting. It's been weekly for several months now. So yeh I'm not as quick to jump back into being lovey lovey as you apparently.
At 2:34:03 (10:35) Not into fighting all the time, correct.
At 4:47:16 (18:28) What's your plan?
At 4:50:26 (18:42) So still home?
At 5:02:23 (19:15) So are you staying home or coming here?
At 5:19:42 (22:35) Gonna send Patrick to Colin's tonight. They're picking him up around 7. Mike may hang too when he brings Mad over. So why don't you just come over.
At 5:20:56 (23:12)I just got sober an hour ago.
At 6:33:44 (26:13) Told you to come over but you insisted on meeting me out somewhere.
At 7:06:13 (28:32) We're heading out shortly. What's your plan Karen?
At 7:07:04 (28:45) (To her question if he still wanted her to join him). Yes. Wasn't sure if you were meeting the Currans.
At 7:22:28 (29:42) Text me when you leave...
At 7:25 (30:04) You trying to piss me off?
At 7:26:24 (30:10) Hope your plumber buddy that you texted is hot.
At 7:28:00 (32:00) Just turn it back to where it was and get over here.
At 7:43:10 (33:20) We're taking Mike's car so I'm relying on you for a ride home if he leaves.
At 7:44:36 (34:08) You have a plumber coming over at 8:00 knowing me and Papa could have handled it. Good luck.
At 7:55:00 (34:49) If you need a new water heater, don't let him do it.
At 8:28:30 (37:08) Tell him to leave it, I'll take care of it Sunday or Monday.
At 8:32:00 (38:52) Figured you'd be in Canton til Monday.

I think it's unfair to show texts of conversations without bot sides of that conversation. Everything is out of context MO

 

[sunshineray]

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The SUV that the CW's own witness the ME doesn't think John was hit by?

I guess that would depend on how he was positioned when he was hit and by what end of the vehicle. The ME said did say her experience was mostly with people hit with the front of a vehicle...and I believe, IIRC, she also mention side-swipings. AJMO

 

[Tortoise]

This proves Whiffin wrong...as all the witnesses in Ryan's car saw Karen ahead of them. And saw only her waiting in her suv when they left.

I don't think so. The defence has not suggested the Waze data can be wrong. It could be either that Jackson misspoke (his comments are not evidence), or possibly that Ryan texted slightly ahead of arriving outside the house so that his sister could start to get her coat etc ready to leave and say her goodbyes to everyone. All MOO.

 

[sunshineray]

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KR cut off contact several days before the night at the waterfall by not responding. If she was so persistent then why was he the one to text her trying to reestablish contact while they were at the bar?

Noting the lack of messages between Read and Higgins from Jan. 23to Jan. 28, 2022, Jackson asked, “Would you describe Ms. Read’s side of the conversation as having ‘ghosted’ Mr. Higgins?”
“One could read into that in that manner, yeah,” Bukhenik acknowledged.

‘Emotional revenge’: Sgt. Bukhenik reads flirty texts between Karen Read and Brian Higgins

Higgins said at the Waterfall that night, he texted Read something like "ummm, well" and told the jury, "to be honest with you, it was a flirty text."

"Flirty" texts between Karen Read, Brian Higgins revealed in murder trial testimony

ATF agent Brian Higgins took the stand on Day 17 of testimony in the Karen Read case.

www.cbsnews.com

I was talking about KR's texts to JO, not BH.

 

[ShadyLady]

I don't think so. The defence has not suggested the Waze data can be wrong. It could be either that Jackson misspoke (his comments are not evidence), or possibly that Ryan texted slightly ahead of arriving outside the house so that his sister could start to get her coat etc ready to leave and say her goodbyes to everyone. All MOO.

They said they saw the SUV at the cross roads. And when they pulled behind Karen....saw NO John. So I think John was in the house. I trust the timestamps of CW less.

 

[Wishbone]

I don't think so. The defence has not suggested the Waze data can be wrong. It could be either that Jackson misspoke (his comments are not evidence), or possibly that Ryan texted slightly ahead of arriving outside the house so that his sister could start to get her coat etc ready to leave and say her goodbyes to everyone. All MOO.

JM secured a screen shot from JN of the text RN sent when he said "here" timestamped 12:23 a.m.

Defense presses Jennifer McCabe on her testimony during Day 7 of Karen Read retrial. Here’s how Wednesday unfolded. - The Boston Globe

McCabe was questioned about her recollection of the hours leading up to the death of Read’s boyfriend John O’Keefe and the moment his body was found lying in the snow.

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[TIGER0822]

If this new data helps the commonwealth, the judge will lkely include it. Maybe wth some meaningless 'gesture' restriction to the other side. moo