MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[HarmonyE.]

However, if he works on another case and is asked to testify, I wonder if the defense could bring up his lying under oath in the Karen Read case?

Is he still employed????? I wonder if anyone has done a recap of any of the 'players'. Where are they now and what are they doing? I wonder if they are still as tight as they once were.

Some players I know about

Former Canton Chief Ken Berkowitz - now deceased
Canton PD Chief Helana Rafferty - recently announced retirement
Brian Albert - retired shortly after all this
Chris Albert - Still running pizza shop. Term on Canton Selectboard is over in 2026
Kevin Albert - still on Canton PD. Disciplined for losing his gun and badge in former Trooper Michael Proctor's state police car while drunk
Canton Police Lieutenant Paul Gallagher - now retired
Michael Proctor - Lead State Police Investigator - fired for his behavior on the Karen Read case
Brian Higgins - ATF agent. No updates on if he still is employed in this capacity
Jennifer McCabe - Still "just a regular mum"

 

[DustysMom]

I've never heard she had colon cancer. She had colitis. And he wasn't referring to MS when he made the gross "leaky balloon knot" comment.

 

[mzmarymac]

I've been thinking about why John's friends all would turn on him in the end and why they covered up what happened to him. The only thing that I can think of is this: the fight was over Karen and Higgins. Either Higgins confronted him or John knew and he had a fight with Higgins that turned into a multiperson brawl in which Chloe jumped in. I honestly think in the end, he either fell and hit his head on a weight bench or was pistol whipped in the back of the head.

Drawing from the aftermath of that, the consensus was that everything that happened was all Karen's fault in the first place. She was the one going behind his back playing with Higgins "feelings" and John was blind to it. She was the reason why John couldn't see what they could all see, which was that Karen was an awful person and in the end, he kind of asked for it. And no, they weren't going to take the fall for it. When she showed up and started with the "did I hit him?" and "I broke my taillight" the plan immediately fell into place and they had/have zero remorse for it. She is a manipulative c-word who is the one who truly deserves to go down for all of this anyway.

They were all on a mission to break them up that night. They hated her and wanted her out of the picture. And to them, unfortunately, John chose Karen over them and what happened couldn't be undone, so might as well blame it on her.

JMO

 

[mzmarymac]

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Whenever I am reminded about what Karen has gone through in her life, it breaks my heart that she is being put through all of this. Can you imagine being a successful woman overcoming so many obstacles in her life to end up where she is today, still fighitng for her life, just in a different way. And for those people to immediately throw all that back on her by telling Proctor about her conditions and degrading her within hours of John's death shows what kind of heartless people they truly are. Imagine making fun of a cancer survivor! Disgusting.

 

[Warwick7]

I would like to know why they didnt try to identify it! That’s important!

My guess? M00 is they are LE dna and they didn't want them identified.

 

[Warwick7]

Per testimony it was only male dna found on his clothing.

Good point! Was the testimony that they found JOKs DNA on his clothes, and other unknown sources of several person's DNA that "could have been anyone"? Or was it only male DNA that they found on his clothing?

 

[Warwick7]

(At about 2:45:00).

From the Ash Vailler testimony, showing the various pieces from the 7-dash series fit together into one larger piece.

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Some pieces of the final reconstruction were missing. AV never received any other pieces that fit into the parts of the missing reconstruction.

Two of the 7-dash series (7-8 and 7-14) did not fit into the bigger reconstruction.
What did these extra pieces belong to?

7-8 is at 1:16:47 description is piece of plastic, red and clear recovered from 34 Fairview with photo of a bunch of pieces.
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7-14 is at 1:25:16 description is pieces of glass recovered from 34 Fairview with photo of one piece. Perhaps this was from the glass.
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BBM
Excellent question...

 

[Spider92]

I have a hard time reaching a conclusion as to what really happened with the pieces of taillight. Does anyone know the following?
1. Does the cw have photographic or video proof that the condition of the taillight when the suv sat in Dighton was the same as the condition when it pulled into the sallyport 1+ hours later? I saw the video of the suv pulling into the sallyport but I couldn’t see the details of the taillight.
2. Has the tow truck driver, who transported the suv from Dighton to the Canton sallyport, testified either in T1 or T2 as to whether the tow truck stopped anywhere between Dighton and Canton?
Thanks.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I've been thinking about why John's friends all would turn on him in the end and why they covered up what happened to him. The only thing that I can think of is this: the fight was over Karen and Higgins. Either Higgins confronted him or John knew and he had a fight with Higgins that turned into a multiperson brawl in which Chloe jumped in. I honestly think in the end, he either fell and hit his head on a weight bench or was pistol whipped in the back of the head.

Higgins was the only one who could have been considered an actual friend he hung out with a bit. Jen McCabe was an acquaintence. He knew Chris Albert as a former neighbor and pizza guy. He didn't know the other Alberts or Matt McCabe well, if at all, before that night.

I think your assessment of the situation is likely correct, although I don't think it could have been too much of a brawl, as John was not actually beaten to death. He died from being hit over the head with a blunt object and it likely happened not long after he walked into the house. Probably in the basement where the menfolk - and Chloe - were likely hanging out in the family room.

We have to keep mind that we have absolutely no idea what John might have said to Higgins as they were leaving, but something clearly set Higgins off. So why was Higgins looking for John at 12:21 when just minutes before he'd been held back by Chris Albert while angrily yelling something at him?

But I don't think Higgins delivered the fatal blow because I doubt Brian Albert would have gone to such great lengths to protect him. IMO, he was the catalyst and may have hurt John in the beginnings of a fight, but someone else ended it from behind John. With Chloe getting into the fray at some point.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I have a hard time reaching a conclusion as to what really happened with the pieces of taillight. Does anyone know the following?
1. Does the cw have photographic or video proof that the condition of the taillight when the suv sat in Dighton was the same as the condition when it pulled into the sallyport 1+ hours later? I saw the video of the suv pulling into the sallyport but I couldn’t see the details of the taillight.
2. Has the tow truck driver, who transported the suv from Dighton to the Canton sallyport, testified either in T1 or T2 as to whether the tow truck stopped anywhere between Dighton and Canton?
Thanks.

1. They didn’t take photos. How convenient, eh?
2. I don’t know if he did and I don’t know if he’s on the list for this trial. You’d think he would be important to the defence.

 

[HarmonyE.]

1. They didn’t take photos. How convenient, eh?
2. I don’t know if he did and I don’t know if he’s on the list for this trial. You’d think he would be important to the defence.

He was on the list last time but not called. He did give an interview saying he saw exactly what the Dighton police officer Barros testified he saw. It was minimally cracked and not missing 47 pieces.

 

[tara83]

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The SUV that the CW's own witness the ME doesn't think John was hit by?

 

[Wishbone]

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KR cut off contact several days before the night at the waterfall by not responding. If she was so persistent then why was he the one to text her trying to reestablish contact while they were at the bar?

Noting the lack of messages between Read and Higgins from Jan. 23to Jan. 28, 2022, Jackson asked, “Would you describe Ms. Read’s side of the conversation as having ‘ghosted’ Mr. Higgins?”
“One could read into that in that manner, yeah,” Bukhenik acknowledged.

‘Emotional revenge’: Sgt. Bukhenik reads flirty texts between Karen Read and Brian Higgins

Higgins said at the Waterfall that night, he texted Read something like "ummm, well" and told the jury, "to be honest with you, it was a flirty text."

"Flirty" texts between Karen Read, Brian Higgins revealed in murder trial testimony

ATF agent Brian Higgins took the stand on Day 17 of testimony in the Karen Read case.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[lohrtabitha]

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Also, there are several locals on this forum that are contesting to the corruption of the police department in Canton and surrounding towns. Just go back and read the threads that they are posting. They are the ones that are seeing it first hand. I'm listening to them .

 

[Tortoise]

BBM

I had to go look it up, but Ryan Nagels text to his sister - "here" - was at 12:23am. So that lines up with them not seeing JOK too. He was already on his way in or in the house as they were pulling up?

I'm not aware of your source for RN's text time, but Waze location data and speed of travel of John's phone being consistent with being in a car, per Cellebrite expert Ian Whiffin, indicates it was not yet outside 34 Fairview at 12.23am.

approx 3.13.00

 

[Spectrix]

I've been thinking about why John's friends all would turn on him in the end and why they covered up what happened to him. The only thing that I can think of is this: the fight was over Karen and Higgins. Either Higgins confronted him or John knew and he had a fight with Higgins that turned into a multiperson brawl in which Chloe jumped in. I honestly think in the end, he either fell and hit his head on a weight bench or was pistol whipped in the back of the head.

Drawing from the aftermath of that, the consensus was that everything that happened was all Karen's fault in the first place. She was the one going behind his back playing with Higgins "feelings" and John was blind to it. She was the reason why John couldn't see what they could all see, which was that Karen was an awful person and in the end, he kind of asked for it. And no, they weren't going to take the fall for it. When she showed up and started with the "did I hit him?" and "I broke my taillight" the plan immediately fell into place and they had/have zero remorse for it. She is a manipulative c-word who is the one who truly deserves to go down for all of this anyway.

They were all on a mission to break them up that night. They hated her and wanted her out of the picture. And to them, unfortunately, John chose Karen over them and what happened couldn't be undone, so might as well blame it on her.

JMO

This is completely plausible, with the possible exception of being pistol whipped.
The injury to JOK's head was so severe that his brain herniated into his spinal column.

IMO being pushed backwards onto a weight bench like you said, or maybe some barbells on the floor or whatever (something metal and protruding to connect with the back of his skull) - this is a possibility. The force comes from a gentleman with both arm pushing him backwards hard.
If JOK were upright when the injury occurred, the weapon needed to be either very heavy, or something levered (such as a baseball bat). I don't believe an ordinary man swinging the butt of a pistol would generate sufficient force to make that particular kind of damage to JOK's skull.


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[arielilane]

Higgins was the only one who could have been considered an actual friend he hung out with a bit. Jen McCabe was an acquaintence. He knew Chris Albert as a former neighbor and pizza guy. He didn't know the other Alberts or Matt McCabe well, if at all, before that night.

I am confused by your post.
My understanding is that JMc and John O'Keefe were friends. Could you explain further, please?

I think your assessment of the situation is likely correct, although I don't think it could have been too much of a brawl, as John was not actually beaten to death. He died from being hit over the head with a blunt object and it likely happened not long after he walked into the house. Probably in the basement where the menfolk - and Chloe - were likely hanging out in the family room.

Serious question: How do you know this, were you there? Thank you in advance for an explanation.
I am intrigued to know how you would know all this? This goes against what the science has shown in court.

We have to keep mind that we have absolutely no idea what John might have said to Higgins as they were leaving, but something clearly set Higgins off. So why was Higgins looking for John at 12:21 when just minutes before he'd been held back by Chris Albert while angrily yelling something at him?

Karen herself said everyone was laughing, happy, and having a fun time. The video shows this as well. People hugging, engaging and play fighting. Interesting that BH beat up someone and then goes onto Canton PD without changing his clothes?

Where do you see BH "angrily yelling at him?" Keep in mind that BH wasnt falling for KR's text messages (two wks of texting). Did he suspect she was gaslighting him? She lied about the cancer.

Another thing.... How did KR know John O'Keefe had thrown up?

But I don't think Higgins delivered the fatal blow because I doubt Brian Albert would have gone to such great lengths to protect him. IMO, he was the catalyst and may have hurt John in the beginnings of a fight, but someone else ended it from behind John. With Chloe getting into the fray at some point.

Why do you think BA would go to great lengths to protect BH? Again, I am intrigued to know.
Where is the dog hair, dog saliva, dog DNA on John? Where is the grass stains on John's head injury if he was dragged? Any info you can provided is greatly appreciated.

Speculation and also, opinion from msm reporting of information

 

[DustysMom]

I've been thinking about why John's friends all would turn on him in the end and why they covered up what happened to him. The only thing that I can think of is this: the fight was over Karen and Higgins. Either Higgins confronted him or John knew and he had a fight with Higgins that turned into a multiperson brawl in which Chloe jumped in. I honestly think in the end, he either fell and hit his head on a weight bench or was pistol whipped in the back of the head.

Drawing from the aftermath of that, the consensus was that everything that happened was all Karen's fault in the first place. She was the one going behind his back playing with Higgins "feelings" and John was blind to it. She was the reason why John couldn't see what they could all see, which was that Karen was an awful person and in the end, he kind of asked for it. And no, they weren't going to take the fall for it. When she showed up and started with the "did I hit him?" and "I broke my taillight" the plan immediately fell into place and they had/have zero remorse for it. She is a manipulative c-word who is the one who truly deserves to go down for all of this anyway.

They were all on a mission to break them up that night. They hated her and wanted her out of the picture. And to them, unfortunately, John chose Karen over them and what happened couldn't be undone, so might as well blame it on her.

JMO

ALL JMO
I’ve been thinking about the same things. I go back to Jen’s testimony where she says John is a close friend whom she helped as he was transitioning into parenting. Her daughter is friends with his niece I think. She does say that after some kid drop offs, one or the other would come in for drinks. And, in T1, she got very emotional saying that she would never leave her friend, who she LOVED, outside to die in the cold. What if Jen* had a thing with/for JO? And, KR’s reluctance to walk away from the relationship was mucking up the works? I’ll bet JM peed her pants in glee when she found out about BH. I can see that little nugget spreading like wildfire that evening before KR/JO arrived at the bar. JM (you’re coming with me) was going to make sure KR was there when BH told JO about the texts.

Don’t tell me that BH and BA spent the entire car ride from NyC to Canton and never mentioned KR. Those texts from KR, plus the KR initiated kiss, plus whatever happened when she went to his Boston apt, was major league excitement for a single guy in his 40s. Don’t tell me they didnt talk about it and dissect what was going on. ESPECIALLY when she stopped communicating with him without explanation. He wanted a relationship and she wanted to fool around and make JO jealous so his feelings were hurt AND he’s pissed at getting played. So, BA knew the score and then witnesses KR blatantly ignoring BH at Waterfall. All their ‘play fighting’ was just them causing a ruckus to get her attention —and it didn’t work.

*wanted to add that KR is educated, smart and accomplished with her own money. She has loving parents and siblings, a sense of fashion and no kids or husband to tie her down. Contrast JM who couldn’t spell ‘hypothermia’ and spent her days shuttling kids around, coaching kids and socializing with other parents talking about kids. Not a stretch for her to be jealous of KR and her lifestyle in ADDITION to her being with JO.
ALL IMO ! Just musing….

 

[Wishbone]

I'm not aware of your source for RN's text time, but Waze location data and speed of travel of John's phone being consistent with being in a car, per Cellebrite expert Ian Whiffin, indicates it was not yet outside 34 Fairview at 12.23am.

approx 3.13.00

McCabe told Read lawyer Alan Jackson that months after O’Keefe’s death, she asked Julie Nagel, a guest at the afterparty, to send her a screenshot of a text message that Nagle had sent her brother, who had initially pulled up to the home to pick her up before Nagle she decided to stay longer.

“She had no involvement,” McCabe said of Nagel. “What happened outside was separate from anything that happened inside.”

“Did you ask for that screenshot for your own personal use?” Jackson asked.

“Yes,” McCabe said. Jackson said the screenshot was timestamped 12:23 a.m. for when Nagel’s brother pulled up.

Judge Beverly Cannone called the attorneys to a sidebar.

Following the sidebar, McCabe said the screenshot included a text that said “here” from Ryan Nagel to his sister Julie.

McCabe told Jackson that as she looked out the window, she saw Read’s SUV as well as Nagel’s truck. Higgins’s Jeep was parked by the mailbox, she said.

Defense presses Jennifer McCabe on her testimony during Day 7 of Karen Read retrial. Here’s how Wednesday unfolded. - The Boston Globe

McCabe was questioned about her recollection of the hours leading up to the death of Read’s boyfriend John O’Keefe and the moment his body was found lying in the snow.

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[HarmonyE.]

I am confused by your post.
My understanding is that JMc and John O'Keefe were friends. Could you explain further, please?


Serious question: How do you know this, were you there? Thank you in advance for an explanation.
I am intrigued to know how you would know all this? This goes against what the science has shown in court.


Karen herself said everyone was laughing, happy, and having a fun time. The video shows this as well. People hugging, engaging and play fighting. Interesting that BH beat up someone and then goes onto Canton PD without changing his clothes?

Where do you see BH "angrily yelling at him?" Keep in mind that BH wasnt falling for KR's text messages (two wks of texting). Did he suspect she was gaslighting him? She lied about the cancer.

Another thing.... How did KR know John O'Keefe had thrown up?

Why do you think BA would go to great lengths to protect BH? Again, I am intrigued to know.
Where is the dog hair, dog saliva, dog DNA on John? Where is the grass stains on John's head injury if he was dragged? Any info you can provided is greatly appreciated.

Speculation and also, opinion from msm reporting of information

Sorry for your confusion.

Jen McCabe was an acquaintance of John's through the kids. Not a hang out buddy like Higgins was. I'm sorry. I thought everyone knew Jen and John weren't best buds.

As for happy and laughing - Did you watch the last couple of minutes of the Waterfall video? Higgins was yelling angrily in John's direction and had to be restrained by Chris Albert and a few seconds later by Brian Albert. John was laughing at him. But Karen wasn't involved in the exchange and wouldn't have known anything about it. We also have no idea what John may have said to BH to set him off. I think it's very important to watch this video to understand the dynamic between these two men just before John was murdered. Strongly recommended viewing.

Why do you think BH wanted to know whether John was coming to the party at 12:21? To continue the exchange seems a fair guess. IMO, of course.

Karen was stringing Higgins along for sure and she didn't have cancer as far as I know. But not the same MO as murdering your boyfriend, wouldn't you agree?

I didn't address John "throwing up". Do you have a link to when she said this and to whom? Context and timing are important. As are facts, as I'm sure you'd agree. Are you saying you think she hit him because she knew he'd vomited? Please explain.

Why don't I think BA wouldn't go to great lengths to protect BH? BH wasn't family. Why risk prison time over a cover up for someone like Higgins? It's a risk - reward question.

Huge chain of custody problems with the clothing, as you might have noted. Michael Proctor! Also, John's arm wounds, which were obviously not caused by her car, were never swabbed and tested for anything.

Where "is" the grass stains? I never said John was dragged. Why are you saying he had to have been dragged? There was sufficient manpower in the middle of the night for him to have been carried. Tristan Morris showed up to get Caitlin long after everyone else left (although the Alberts originally lied to LE and told them she'd been the first to leave the party. Weird lie to tell, no?)