MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[Angelwatch]

Maybe an "even if" argument, even of we grant you premise, it doesn't work.
We have to see the prosecution crash analysis.

I would point out that my understanding is Karen has said she did a 3 point turn. A reversing impact as part of a 3 point turn, would better explain the direction of where John ended up, as she would be reversing across the road towards him, and the direction of force and momentum would be a better fit. But it is hard to see a 24mph speed achieved, and she would have hit the curb at perpendicular manner. Although the 24 mph, may be an overstatement, as the car maybe measuring speed based on wheel movement, which on an snow/icy road with lower traction may be more spin and less speed.

IIRC, the CW appears to be backing off 24mph. In his opening statement, Brennan stated reversing some 60 feet and tires that maybe spun.

 

[Wishbone]

The ME named the two LE that signed into view the autopsy during her testimony. Interesting that connor keefe stated in his testimony he was the only LE to view JO's autopsy. The autopsy sign in log shows the names of the two LE as“connor and keefe” and we also viewed the photo of the two men, one being keefe and the other being a completely bald man suspiciously resembling proctor. What is going to come of this little tidbit besides connor keefe caught in a lie. Will the defense expound on this when presenting their case. I certainly hope so. JMOO

 

[lohrtabitha]

The CW has now changed both its vehicle data and accident reconstruction theories, AGAIN. This time mid-trial, in direct response to the defense’s arguments. This is after already shifting their timeline from Trial 1. They waited until well into Trial 2 to hand over this new theory, despite certifying months ago that all discovery was complete under Rule 14. This isn’t how you pursue truth. The truth doesn’t change. Watching the prosecution repeatedly adjust its case mid-trial while trying to secure a conviction is stomach turning. When you’re prosecuting the right person, you don’t need to keep reinventing your theory. MOO.

Hank knows ‘clocks are different’. It’s even in Burgess original report. There’s no excuse for this.

I think the defense should put Brenan on the stand. The dirty rascal! Lol moo

 

[Angelwatch]

The ME named the two LE that signed into view the autopsy during her testimony. Interesting that connor keefe stated in his testimony he was the only LE to view JO's autopsy. The autopsy sign in log shows the names of the two LE as“connor and keefe” and we also viewed the photo of the two men, one being keefe and the other being a completely bald man suspiciously resembling proctor. What is going to come of this little tidbit besides connor keefe caught in a lie. Will the defense expound on this when presenting their case. I certainly hope so. JMOO

Was Canton PD not allowed at the autopsy? I understand why Keefe wouldn’t want to bring disgraced former Trp Proctor up on the stand, but why fudge the log early on?

ETA: it’s early! Trp Proctor wasn’t with Canton PD.

 

[lohrtabitha]

The ME named the two LE that signed into view the autopsy during her testimony. Interesting that connor keefe stated in his testimony he was the only LE to view JO's autopsy. The autopsy sign in log shows the names of the two LE as“connor and keefe” and we also viewed the photo of the two men, one being keefe and the other being a completely bald man suspiciously resembling proctor. What is going to come of this little tidbit besides connor keefe caught in a lie. Will the defense expound on this when presenting their case. I certainly hope so. JMOO

Just another Canton Police officer committing perjury and there is nothing anyone is going to do about it. What a disgrace! I don't know how any if the jurors could believe any of the police in this case. Their deceitfulness is like the plague!

 

[lohrtabitha]

Just another Canton Police officer committing perjury and there is nothing anyone is going to do about it. What a disgrace! I don't know how any if the jurors could believe any of the police in this case. Their deceitfulness is like the plague!

Oops my opinion only

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Was Canton PD not allowed at the autopsy? I understand why Keefe wouldn’t want to bring disgraced former Trp Proctor up on the stand, but why fudge the log early on?

Pretty sure Dr. Scordi-Bello said yesterday that law enforcement is entitled to be at autopsy if they so wish. Lots of testimony to dig through though, and I wonder if CPD specifically would be allowed if they were recused (only from the interview portion?)

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Dr Scordi-Bello testified yesterday that there were no penetration wounds, these were superficial abrasions only. She would have noted the depth if there had been a penetrating wound.

from 1.55.43

Medical examiner details skull fractures in Karen Read murder trial testimony

An autopsy by Dr. Scordi-Bello found head trauma and hypothermia in O'Keefe's death with trial implications for Karen Read in Massachusetts.

www.yahoo.com

She also testified there were no bruises or anything from a motor vehicle strike. Can't have it both ways. JMO

 

[BUF]

Per CourtTV….Judge lifted buffer zone in front of courthouse late Thursday night

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Predictably, immediate sidebar this morning. Maybe judge Cannone should establish some kind of ‘office hours’ since there is always a need for a sidebar.

 

[Angelwatch]

Per CourtTV….Judge lifted buffer zone in front of courthouse late Thursday night

Good. Huge overstep by judge C.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Per CourtTV….Judge lifted buffer zone in front of courthouse late Thursday night

Amazing!It was determined to be unconstitutional. Glad she following the law, if only because her back was to the wall.

 

[tricia]

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[lohrtabitha]

Good. Huge overstep by judge C.

First Amendment Rights being protected. Great win for KR supporters. Mo

 

[Derph]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923323425344372881

 

[Tortoise]

She also testified there were no bruises or anything from a motor vehicle strike. Can't have it both ways. JMO

That's not quite correct. She was referring there to a head-on collision. She then testified under redirect that John's knee bruising could be consistent with a side-swipe impact. And also testified his head trauma was consistent with a backwards fall on frozen ground.

 

[Angelwatch]

That's not quite correct. She was referring there to a head-on collision. She then testified under redirect that John's knee bruising could be consistent with a side-swipe impact. And also testified his head trauma was consistent with a backwards fall on frozen ground.

Mistates her testimony. She stated she looked at his lower body and there was no evidence of a vehicle collision.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

That's not quite correct. She was referring there to a head-on collision. She then testified under redirect that John's knee bruising could be consistent with a side-swipe impact. And also testified his head trauma was consistent with a backwards fall on frozen ground.

"COULD BE" is the key word. Pretty unbelievable a 6000 lb SUV hit someone's knee and only did some light bruising.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

The situation Brennan is suggesting puts the entire process in a Catch-22. By introducing a “new” timeline from their expert mid-trial, they’ve compromised the integrity of the proceedings on multiple levels.

-If the new timeline is allowed in, the defense has been irreparably prejudiced because they already cross-examined witnesses based on the original data.
-If the new timeline is excluded, the witness can’t testify honestly using the old version, because he now knows it’s been changed.
-Even if the judge pauses things to let the defense catch up, their own expert rebuttals (like ARCCA) are now undermined, because they were based on the initial info provided by these very same CW experts.

This move has boxed the court in. It’s a mess. If a mistrial is declared, it should absolutely be WITH prejudice, because the defense didn’t cause this mess, the Commonwealth did. MOO

 

[tara83]

"COULD BE" is the key word. Pretty unbelievable a 6000 lb SUV hit someone's knee and only did some light bruising.

I guess could be is enough to convict someone now.