MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[waldojabba]

Obviously there is more meat on this bone then BH is willing to disclose but BC time and again has permitted the CW to trounce on the D (not least by sustaining multiple objections to material questions on cross) and demonstrated her own disdain for the D's legal team.
On the face of it the time adjustment alone seems to weaken the P. It appears there are 38 seconds LESS for KR to have made the trip from Fairview to JOK's house. That leads suspicious minds to believe there is a much bigger GOTCHA in this revision than has been disclosed in court....Hopefully ARCCA and others can devote all of 4-days to examining the minutia. JMO

Also key: When do the 4-days happen/start? As BC departed, it appeared the trial was going to continue unabated....no instructions to the jury not to attend, unless I missed it entirely. MOO

I dont believe the D was given the 4 days they asked for
JMO

 

[mrjitty]

In a way, the appeals court is one of Cannone’s superiors. They did issue a lifting/easing of the buffer zone ban she put in place.

The appeal process is probably the best way to go about ensuring fair decisions. If KR is convicted, there’s likely a number of rulings that could be used to appeal, but IANAL.

Exactly. It's also worth pointing out that even though lawyers like Bederow complained a lot about the Judge's conduct at the end of Trial 1, the Appeal Courts have all supported her. So sometimes there is disagreement in the profession and it certainly does not mean the Judge is corrupt or incompetent.

MOO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Well generally decisions are appealed before we demand Judges get investigated by the government.

Also you say the Judge didn't recuse when asked, but why would she? There were no substantive grounds, and my understanding is that for judicial efficiency the same judge almost always takes the retrial.

In any event, I have not seen anything that would be even close to warranting criminal investigation, and realistically we should be very slow to want that.

IMO

We can agree to disagree, and I’ll leave it there.

 

[tara83]

There are two things I don't understand about the Karen Read Trial. Following the dramatic hearing, Read spoke to reporters for the first time.
"We know who did it. We know. And we know who spearheaded this coverup. You all know,"

If they and we all know who did it and who spearheaded this coverup, why aren't these mystery persons or person being arrested, since everybody knows?

Also, Karen Read lied in the interview (I think 20/20) about how much she drank that evening/morning (she said 4 drinks and didn't finish them). Shouldn't this be brought up in court, since her blood alcohol level was over the limit? The video at the Waterfall shows her drinking alcohol, and adding shots to her drinks. After she added the shots, John O'Keefe stirred them into her drink.

Maybe because they are LE?

 

[Spectrix]

I could never be seated as a juror due to my facial expressions. Dead giveaway.

Can I just have a show of hands who in this thread has yelled something like "WHAT THE ACTUAL F__K" at their TV or Computer screen during one of the CW's witness testimonies?

Yeah. Facial expressions would be the least of the good judge's worries.

 

[missy1974]

Yes. This rumour has become a bit silly.

The key evidence in this case was bagged and put in the evidence room. Or drying like you say. Then at times it was sent out other places from analysis like the state crime lab. During the gap it was in the evidence room. Proctor did not have it.

I think if the defence disagreed then they'd have made a song and dance about it like they did with the solo cups fiasco.

MOO

The song and dance starts around 6:39 of YB's cross exam. The shirts were laid out in their office for 6 days.

It was not in an evidence room until Feb 4th.


6:51:10
So for six days anybody who had access to that
6:51:17
room could have handled the that clothing in any way they wanted to
6:51:22
That's correct And that includes former trooper Michael Proctor
6:51:27
That's correct

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Procter and crew where waiting...hoping Karen would take a plea deal, and evidence could be safely buried, IMO.

‘If she pleads out it will end, if she fights it, it will be an episode’ - Matt McCabe

 

[Warwick7]

We've been through this before with Hartnett

Before items were transferred to the crime lab - they were in the evidence room.

Mostly the entry of items into evidence is discussed/stipulated before trial. If there were issues with the logs / COC the defence would challenge the evidence and especially make the relevant witnesses testify to each step. It does not happen in most cases as lots of time would be wasted for no purpose.

In any event, Proctor did not have the shirt in his personal possession before it went to the crime lab.

MOO

Where and what am I supposed to believe when it comes to LE???

I've seen police handling of evidence as a major point of contention.

There's missing or incomplete documentation...

Investigators failed to properly document the crime scene, including photographing the victim's body, recording an interview, and maintaining a consistent presence at the scene.

Lest we forget the police never searched the home where the party was held, where JO's body was found, and where other police officers were present.

Sorry but I'm not going to take it from LE that his clothes were transferred to the crime lab after they were in the evidence room. And I have NOTHING to believe Proctor did not have the shirt in his personal possession before it went to the crime lab, or anywhere elsewhere else for that matter.

 

[rescuemom]

Obviously there is more meat on this bone then BH is willing to disclose but BC time and again has permitted the CW to trounce on the D (not least by sustaining multiple objections to material questions on cross) and demonstrated her own disdain for the D's legal team.
On the face of it the time adjustment alone seems to weaken the P. It appears there are 38 seconds LESS for KR to have made the trip from Fairview to JOK's house. That leads suspicious minds to believe there is a much bigger GOTCHA in this revision than has been disclosed in court....Hopefully ARCCA and others can devote all of 4-days to examining the minutia. JMO

Also key: When do the 4-days happen/start? As BC departed, it appeared the trial was going to continue unabated....no instructions to the jury not to attend, unless I missed it entirely. MOO

Unless I'm missing something here, AARCA will still testify that A did NOT cause B no matter of the time, any time, anywhere.

This could be another attempt to keep AARCA off the stand or delay the process.

A hail mary pass.

It can't be lost that he threw this lttle fit after the ME did not fold in her testimony that injuries were not caused by a vehicle accident.

Case closed

IMO, Bev knew this was coming.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Ok but now you are making a completely different argument to which there is no response.

If things are so corrupt that they just fake the evidence logs then sure. All bets are off.

IMO

No, I'm really not. There was testimony that anyone could have had access to it, including MP.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Where and what am I supposed to believe when it comes to LE???

I've seen police handling of evidence as a major point of contention.

There's missing or incomplete documentation...

Investigators failed to properly document the crime scene, including photographing the victim's body, recording an interview, and maintaining a consistent presence at the scene.

Lest we forget the police never searched the home where the party was held, where JO's body was found, and where other police officers were present.

Sorry but I'm not going to take it from LE that his clothes were transferred to the crime lab after they were in the evidence room. And I have NOTHING to believe Proctor did not have the shirt in his personal possession before it went to the crime lab, or anywhere elsewhere else for that matter.

Exactly. The chain of custody here is full of holes, and we’re just supposed to trust the same people who botched the scene from day one? With missing photos, incomplete logs, and no search of the house? Sorry, but blind faith in LE isn’t a substitute for proper documentation. MOO.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

No, I'm really not. There was testimony that anyone could have had access to it, including MP.

A lot of people seem to forget that the point of the defense bringing all this up isn’t to indict Proctor, or anyone from MSP/CPD for that matter. The burden isn’t on the defense to prove another party’s guilt. It’s to raise reasonable doubt that their client is guilty. Just the fact that anyone could have had access to that clothing, for that long, with no logs is definitely a piece in the puzzle of reasonable doubt. Along with the dozens of other pieces we’ve heard so far in the trial. MOO.

 

[waldojabba]

Ok but now you are making a completely different argument to which there is no response.

If things are so corrupt that they just fake the evidence logs then sure. All bets are off.

IMO

IMO To understand what goes on in this neck of the woods you need to have read a lot of the other comments/articles in this thread by the locals.
IMO you are perhaps missing out on what the history and culture are re politics and LE in Massachusetts. Its a long storied and sorted past.
Take a look if you are interested, at the Sandra Birchmore case - over lapping LE in this case and that one.
I have been "marinating" in it ( the culture/the politics) for fifty years, so i think I have a pretty good read on the flavor of things - Just something to consider - everything imo is not always black and white as we'd like it to be

JMO

 

[Jeanny]

Just wondering what other commenters think about this - only opinion.

 

[missy1974]

No, I'm really not. There was testimony that anyone could have had access to it, including MP.

To be fair.. not anyone, but anyone who had access to their office. YB conceded that Proctor had access in those 6 days. From Jan 29th until Feb 4th, the clothing was NOT in an evidence room. YB testified to it. Even Brennan asked him on direct about it.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923426116364103772

 

[Warwick7]

To be fair.. not anyone, but anyone who had access to their office. YB conceded that Proctor had access in those 6 days. From Jan 29th until Feb 4th, the clothing was NOT in an evidence room. YB testified to it. Even Brennan asked him on direct about it.

Bam!!!!

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923427232149623245

 

[missy1974]

Just wondering what other commenters think about this - only opinion.

Hi Jeanny.. welcome to Websleuths... think about what?

not sure if you missed putting a link in or?

 

[Linda7NJ]

The clothes may have been wet, but approx 6 weeks between the time they were collected and sent to the lab wasn't due to waiting for the clothes to dry. JMOO

Karen Read murder trial: Jurors see O'Keefe's clothing, SUV evidence

Read is accused of killing her Boston police officer boyfriend by striking him with an SUV and leaving him to die in a snowbank.

www.wcvb.com

"Your chain of custody at the lab for the two shirts and the plastic, that began on March 14, 2022. So, between Jan 29 and March14 you don't know what Michael Proctor did with the evidence?" Yannetti said.

He didn’t have access-

IMO