MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[HarmonyE.]

I believe it was Higgins' truck. He had multiple vehicles that he parked at Canton PD.

It's hard to say, but I expect he'll be asked more about why he needed to go there and what he actually did in more detail this time.

Safest, most believeable answer for him? "I had plenty of cans of ginger ale in the Jeep but went to get all the Jameson nips out of my truck and office desk drawers 'cause all the packies are closed by 1:30 am. No way was I hiding a murder weapon!"

 

[keek]

So are we. Sadly through the corruption and incompetence from the very beginning and I'm not even talking about the 911 call we will never know. IMO, there were parties that knew as soon as JOK was severely injured, what needed to be done, messed with and followed up with to prevent any justice for JOK.

He was the victim of those that knew exactly what to make sure was NOT looked for or at. Career hard core LE positions. They both knew, heads upped, to realllllly get rid of their phones before knowing they were finally going to be asked to turn them in one way or another. Both, LE, bad stuff guys turns out. IMO

 

[Spider92]

I don’t understand why the MSP didn’t take swab samples of other folks to try and match to the other 4-5 traces of DNA on the sneaker…..or, more importantly, why that couldn’t be done now. Re: last week’s new accident reconstruction report from the cw, could Alessia have said, “Judge, we’ll allow a new report in the middle of trial if you order DNA samples be taken from BH and BA”?

 

[Warwick7]

This is worth repeating. One of our fellow WS's said:

"That was an incredible admission by the ME! Brennan couldn't object fast enough!
So even the ME knew there was a party that night, and that John was walking toward the party, and had an altercation, and yet LE and CW has never ever mentioned that at trial. I hope the jury heard her!"

 

[jepop]

I missed part of Vallier’s testimony yesterday. How many pieces of taillight didn’t match KR’s Lexus? Was Vallier saying she couldn’t puzzle piece the extra pieces back but they still belonged to the Lexus? Or that the pieces are from another vehicle?

Around 20 or so IIRC. I recall the non-matches included items in lab evidence number 7 dash 8 (7-8) and items included in another lab evidence number. Stressing ICBW about the exact number. I need to check on what the second lab evidence number was and how many items were listed under that number. Jmo

 

[rescuemom]

It may be 'closed" but with charges forthcoming when this trial concludes?
imo

This is hopeful. This is dated in March with the upcoming Trial2 of KR. Doubtful that the FBI would move forward on any results of the investigation especially if any findings were connected or to be used in the trial, i.e. witnesses, evidence, etc.

IMO, the trial would have to be over and adjuducated. So, maybe a mistrial is in the best interest of the CW?? Just kick this can on down the road again, AJMO.

 

[rescuemom]

Just an observation on my part, but none of this high technology seems to be definitive in this particular trial. So what will the next time or the one after that be? Or are the experts interpreting it in error. So many doubts and questions about all this. And in the long run, none of it proves JO was hit by the car. Seems to me to be more like distraction and diversion. JMOO

Yes, putting off the inevitable. Distraction, diversion and an insult to the jury. IMO, the jury has heard enough.

 

[rescuemom]

BTW.....I am listening to BH again. KEVIN ALBERT did drive down to New York with BH in Brian's dodge Rambler.

Was BA with them????

 

[Forest_Wood]

Yep! Proctor was texting his childhood friend about the case. The friend said ‘I’m sure the owner of the house will receive some sh—‘
Proctor responded: ‘Nope, homeowner is a Boston police officer as well’

Why was Trooper Proctor suspended? A look back at his offensive texts about Karen Read

Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, the lead investigator in the Karen Read murder case, was suspended without pay after a duty status hearing Monday. He had already been relieved of duty and had his police-issued cruiser, gun and gear taken away, but was still collecting a...

www.nbcboston.com

That's an excellent compilation of MPs biased conduct!

Some things that stand out, aside from the obvious bias and misogyny:

MP telling his sister to not tell anyone about a homicide on a cop's lawn, yet he's freely chatting to his friends about it.
Later on, Proctor's sister asked if the Canton situation involved a homicide, to which Proctor responded, "Don't say a word to anyone."
"Of course not," his sister replied.

MP going through KR's phone ... was he even allowed to do that? Wouldn't it have been evidence for a police IT inspector to go through?
In a different thread, Proctor made a comment about Yannetti, writing, after having to stop processing Read's phone upon finding protected communication between her and her attorney, that he was going through "his r------- client's phone. No nudes so far. I hate that man, I truly hate him." The comment was "a distasteful joke," Proctor explained, adding later that he was not looking for nude pictures but "location data text communications … more evidence contained within the phone."

Why was MP not charged with accepting bribes?
Lally brought up a text message that his sister sent later on, after talking to Julie Albert: "When this is all over, she wants to get you a thank you gift." Proctor replied, "Get Elizabeth one," referring to his wife.

 

[ShadyLady]

Was BA with them????

I had to correct. BA and KA flew down to NY, but then drove back in BH's car.

 

[rescuemom]

Interesting. I have several friends (one a detective) in LE and a family member. Every one of them said the house should have been searched.

My nephew is a 30 veteran of Indianapolis, IN polce dept...vice, undercover, swat and retired as a Sgt. He laughed when I was telling him about this. First thing he said was "dirty cops"

 

[Forest_Wood]

Around 20 or so IIRC. I recall the non-matches included items in lab evidence number 7 dash 8 (7-8) and items included in another lab evidence number. Stressing ICBW about the exact number. I need to check on what the second lab evidence number was and how many items were listed under that number. Jmo

I recall she did say all the 7- numbers were submitted by who else ... Trooper Michael Proctor

 

[cocomod]

I am so unbelievably upset at not only the judge’s decision, but how she handles it. She isn’t “convinced”; and she isn’t angry at the CW for their shenanigans?! She just looks the other way. But, I have read that she always has a bias towards the CW in cases. She is being watched!

After all of this though, IMHO, the defense didn’t ask for a mistrial because 1- they know she wouldn’t grant it, but 2 - more importantly, they know they can still sink this hole ridden ship! I have confidence that they will use this one more anchor against the CW’s case and finish this farce!

 

[rescuemom]

That's what he said on the stand. However, Brian Albert testified Higgins dropped him off at the satellite police station where BA had left his police issued Ford Edge, and then BH went for a sandwich somewhere and BA met him there and they both drank. At that time, BH still had his work vehicle I believe. Then BA invited BH to the Waterfall where BA was meeting his wife and the rest of them. I believe it was at this time that BH took his work vehicle back to the CPS. That's my understanding of it based on the timeline as BA described it.
MOO.

Do we know their "bar math"??

 

[keek]

My nephew is a 30 veteran of Indianapolis, IN polce dept...vice, undercover, swat and retired as a Sgt. He laughed when I was telling him about this. First thing he said was "dirty cops"

He has seen IT ALLLLLLLL TOO. IMO.

 

[lohrtabitha]

No, there was no probable cause.
IMO

Yes, many astute criminal attorneys say there was. From nbcboston.con
Peter Elikann, criminal defense attorney: I say there’s probable cause to the 10th power. I mean, somebody’ s expected at a party at that house, the next morning they see his body in front of the house on a lawn. That’s enough. Was there anything going on in the house? How about the people inside? And if there was any question in the police officer’s mind, he could’ve gone and gotten a search warrant and been back in 45 mins. That is absolutely probable cause.

 

[keek]

Yes, many astute criminal attorneys say there was. From nbcboston.con
Peter Elikann, criminal defense attorney: I say there’s probable cause to the 10th power. I mean, somebody’ s expected at a party at that house, the next morning they see his body in front of the house on a lawn. That’s enough. Was there anything going on in the house? How about the people inside? And if there was any question in the police officer’s mind, he could’ve gone and gotten a search warrant and been back in 45 mins. That is absolutely probable cause.

It is SO bizarre, no matter if proctor is an admirer and friend of Albert and McCabes, Kerry, that as a State Trooper arriving on the scene, did NOT go to the door, bang till the occupants came to the door and question them, go get a search warrant if demanded. SO bizarre. Hence, he is gone, fired from said Department. Oh I am so sure he knows it was never worth it and does he even see them or socialize anymore with them> doubt it much if he is not needed and now is a detriment to them all. IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

Fact is - the ME admitted the knee injury could have been caused by a swipe or clip from a vehicle.

Could have is not definitive. This case is full of could haves which creates a serious amount of reasonable doubts! Mo

 

[lohrtabitha]

Someone from the emergency room...
Karen was never in the emergency room.
So it couldn't have been her saying that...

Wouldn't it be awesome if we could hear from the doctors and nurses at the E.R. on their take of what happened to John. I realize it's the coroner's job to rule on matter of death, but in my opinion I would have loved to hear them.

 

[jepop]

I recall she did say all the 7- numbers were submitted by who else ... Trooper Michael Proctor

Yes I think that's right, those items re -labeled seven dash ..X (7-X) by the lab were apparently submitted by Proctor. They included tail light pieces and the clothing. During earlier testimony for this trial by Hartnett (?), Yanetti went through the LE evidence bags the various tail light pieces arrived in at the lab (date of collection from the scene, name of officer who located them, description of the items in bag - this last was often pretty vague or not specific as to the number of pieces).

The lab then took the items from LE evidence bags and repacked them with their own numbering system. The lab system specified the number of tail light pieces from each LE evidence bag and included detailed photos of the pieces next to a ruler to show the various sizes of each piece.

The first lab number for tail light pieces was 7-5 and the last one was about 7-16. But I really need to re-watch that testimony ( Hartnett I believe) and then Vallier's from yesterday. I'm going to abandon trial X 1 testimony now that both these witnesses have testified and try to start fresh to avoid confusion and a brain melt down, lol. Jmo