MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #27 Retrial

[lohrtabitha]

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[PamCake]

Yep! Proctor was texting his childhood friend about the case. The friend said ‘I’m sure the owner of the house will receive some sh—‘
Proctor responded: ‘Nope, homeowner is a Boston police officer as well’

Why was Trooper Proctor suspended? A look back at his offensive texts about Karen Read

Massachusetts State Police Trooper Michael Proctor, the lead investigator in the Karen Read murder case, was suspended without pay after a duty status hearing Monday. He had already been relieved of duty and had his police-issued cruiser, gun and gear taken away, but was still collecting a...

www.nbcboston.com

I just re-read your link of Proctor's texts. He made these comments just HOURS after John's death. How was he able to know all about Karen's health problems, etc. at that early time in his investigation? He didn't know her at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, but someone must've filled him in on that information mighty soon after the events at 34 Fairview. Seems as if she was the subject of lots of talk that morning, instead of any legitimate discussion of the events leading up to John's death...things that make me go hmmm.

 

[lohrtabitha]

I wonder if AJ and his team will go after BH or any others for perjury. I would love to see that. I am so tired of seeing these people lying under oath. They must be crossing their fingers when they are swearing to tell the truth. Moo

 

[HarmonyE.]

I wonder if AJ and his team will go after BH or any others for perjury. I would love to see that. I am so tired of seeing these people lying under oath. They must be crossing their fingers when they are swearing to tell the truth. Moo

Her attorneys can't bring perjury charges. The state would have to do that. The odds of that happening in this case are exactly zero.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I just re-read your link of Proctor's texts. He made these comments just HOURS after John's death. How was he able to know all about Karen's health problems, etc. at that early time in his investigation? He didn't know her at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, but someone must've filled him in on that information mighty soon after the events at 34 Fairview. Seems as if she was the subject of lots of talk that morning, instead of any legitimate discussion of the events leading up to John's death...things that make me go hmmm.

There probably aren't too many people who would have had that information. Who would have had her health details and been talking to Proctor so early on?

I can only think of two sources - Jen McCabe or Higgins, with McCabe being the most likely.

 

[Forest_Wood]

There is the video evidence of JOK leaving waterfall with a glass. That speaks for itself.

KR stated in the ID and the clip was played in court that JOK got out of the car with “her” glass, IIRC.

An extra non-matched glass piece was found on the bumper along with glass found by the body. People are now speculating he had two glasses to make sense of the non-matched glass piece on the bumper that wasn’t embedded and somehow survived driving in a snowstorm. The other explanation is that it was planted, IMO.

Maybe he walked out of the Waterfall with Karen's glass. Another possibility.

 

[jepop]

Thinking back. Bukhenic and Proctor were at the hospital, saw JOK's right arm ( Helen Keller would have said it was a dog bite/scratch ), and didn't go back to 34 Fairview and say, " Hey? You's guys gotta dog ? "
Nope. Sketch as evah

Exactly. Proctor/Bukhenic had seen John's body at the hospital.

Testimony from the other day revealed the ME knew about the alleged 'did I hit him statements', she knew about the broken tail light, she knew about a bunch of other stuff yet still listed manner of death as undetermined.

The ME testified that she could not determine what caused the symmetrical, patterned wounds to JO's right arm and she got no help from Proctor. In fact one of the few things apparently not disclosed to the ME was that a large dog resided at the address where John was found. Jmo

 

[lohrtabitha]

Her attorneys can't bring perjury charges. The state would have to do that. The odds of that happening in this case are exactly zero.

Dang then. Double dang! I'm sure BH knows that too. However, if he works on another case and is asked to testify, I wonder if the defense could bring up his lying under oath in the Karen Read case? These people are getting away with perjury. Ugh! Moo

 

[Snoods]

Before testimony started on Friday, Judge Beverly Cannone said she had an "important instruction" for the jury.

"I just want to be very clear that it's important that people do not comment on the evidence or make any comments," Cannone said, telling jurors to "just listen."

"Don't talk, don't make any facial expressions. No muttering under your breath, no audible noises because people need to hear what's going on and to understand everything," Cannone said. "Out of respect for your fellow jurors, I would ask that you be very careful to make sure you don't do that, and out of respect to the lawyers who've worked so hard to get this case before you."

Karen Read trial judge tells jury not to make faces, "no muttering under your breath"

The Karen Read trial continued today with the judge telling the jury not to make any comments in court.

www.cbsnews.com

God she is insufferable. Certainly not out of respect for the unmentionable, eh? If I were a juror I would have to go rogue for that little speech.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Dang then. Double dang! I'm sure BH knows that too. However, if he works on another case and is asked to testify, I wonder if the defense could bring up his lying under oath in the Karen Read case? These people are getting away with perjury. Ugh! Moo

Speaking of him working, I don't know if we know whether he still has his prior job. We know he broke the law using an FBI lab to extract certain messages from his phone before he destroyed it. (recall he needed to consult with an attorney while on the stand last trial).

I can't imagine his superiors were happy with that.

 

[DustysMom]

There probably aren't too many people who would have had that information. Who would have had her health details and been talking to Proctor so early on?

I can only think of two sources - Jen McCabe or Higgins, with McCabe being the most likely.

BH knew from the texts they shared that she survived colon cancer. JMC knew about her MS and they talked about medications. It’s seems likely that KR shared info about her medical conditions with JMC during their discussions.
And, didn’t PO’s wife also have MS? If I recall from testimony in T1, they bonded over that and talked aLOT while PO’s wife was making her daily work commute. It’s likely she also knew about KR’s medical history. If BH knew about her medical history, he probably received info from JMC or O’Keefe family. That’s more likely than KR discussing these personal details with BH while chatting openly at a local bar. JMO

 

[DustysMom]

God she is insufferable. Certainly not out of respect for the unmentionable, eh? If I were a juror I would have to go rogue for that little speech.

Insufferable… perfect description for her, her rulings and this trial.

 

[HarmonyE.]

BH knew from the texts they shared that she survived colon cancer. JMC knew about her MS and they talked about medications. It’s seems likely that KR shared info about her medical conditions with JMC during their discussions.
And, didn’t PO’s wife also have MS? If I recall from testimony in T1, they bonded over that and talked aLOT while PO’s wife was making her daily work commute. It’s likely she also knew about KR’s medical history. If BH knew about her medical history, he probably received info from JMC or O’Keefe family. That’s more likely than KR discussing these personal details with BH while chatting openly at a local bar. JMO

I've never heard she had colon cancer. She had colitis. And he wasn't referring to MS when he made the gross "leaky balloon knot" comment.

 

[Soulmagent]

Would the jurors even know that blood doesn't gush after the heart stops? I don't think that has been explained to the jury by any expert. If there was blood that gushed out, does that mean he was still alive with heart pumping after the glass entered the side of his nose, long enough for it to settle at point of entry from the shard of glass.
ETA: And therefore, he wasn't laying there as long as the CW states he was, if the blood wasn't frozen?
MOO

I know, when they played that clip it immediately made me want to watch the docuseries . I decided not until after the trial.
I cant image someone on the jury not bringing it up during delib ,but why the Defense has not yet worked it in ,I dont know.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Exactly. Proctor/Bukhenic had seen John's body at the hospital.

Testimony from the other day revealed the ME knew about the alleged 'did I hit him statements', she knew about the broken tail light, she knew about a bunch of other stuff yet still listed manner of death as undetermined.

The ME testified that she could not determine what caused the symmetrical, patterned wounds to JO's right arm and she got no help from Proctor. In fact one of the few things apparently not disclosed to the ME was that a large dog resided at the address where John was found. Jmo

Oh and best of all, she knew about the party, the altercation and JOK walking to the house.

 

[DustysMom]

I've never heard she had colon cancer. She had colitis. And he wasn't referring to MS when he made the gross "leaky balloon knot" comment.

I think she mentioned it in her texts to BH - she had cancer and therefore had a carpe diem type attitude… it was included in texts read by YB I trial 2 but not those ready by Procter in T1 - IIRC - gonna check right now

 

[rescuemom]

Anything Brennen will try to prove by this last shenanigan will get so far into the weeds, that the jury will not be impressed. We're talking about a few seconds?? What is the explanation to the jury? Don't believe what your heard before and believe this now???

It is lost on me that any 'expert' is considered an 'expert' when they have done no work themselves and are reviewing the work of someone else. Ego is rampant. They will likely find something different just to, like a dog, mark their spot to remain relavent.

Hopefully this jury has some maturity and life experience to know that something about this case and this courtroom is not normal. It's like watching a movie where while you hear and watch the dialogue you think there is something you still don't know but expect to find out. Absent that your mind tells you something else.

On a side note, I watched the movies The Departed and Black Mass. Both heavily focused on the loyalty and corruption in and around Boston PD, in the Irish community and during the Whitey Bulger era. Interesting.
I have confidence that the defense will handle it and come out on top. JOK was not killed by a car, any car.

 

[rescuemom]

Her attorneys can't bring perjury charges. The state would have to do that. The odds of that happening in this case are exactly zero.

That's where the Feds come in, hopefully.

 

[Soulmagent]

There is the video evidence of JOK leaving waterfall with a glass. That speaks for itself.

KR stated in the ID and the clip was played in court that JOK got out of the car with “her” glass, IIRC.

An extra non-matched glass piece was found on the bumper along with glass found by the body. People are now speculating he had two glasses to make sense of the non-matched glass piece on the bumper that wasn’t embedded and somehow survived driving in a snowstorm. The other explanation is that it was planted, IMO.

It probably was a random piece of glass piece from the rollback drivers reflective heavy duty winter coat ,that sees shattered glass about 17 times a month if not more. IMO..
It could have fell off as he unhooked tow straps which also are held and stored inside and hold onto things like tiny glass pieces.
Reasonable no?

 

[rescuemom]

Dang then. Double dang! I'm sure BH knows that too. However, if he works on another case and is asked to testify, I wonder if the defense could bring up his lying under oath in the Karen Read case? These people are getting away with perjury. Ugh! Moo

However, if he works on another case and is asked to testify, I wonder if the defense could bring up his lying under oath in the Karen Read case?

Is he still employed????? I wonder if anyone has done a recap of any of the 'players'. Where are they now and what are they doing? I wonder if they are still as tight as they once were.