MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #28 Retrial

[missy1974]

IMO Burgess is reallyyyy struggling to explain how/why DiSogra’s retort to his 1/30/25 report is ‘wrong’. Maybe he should take one from Trooper Paul’s book: It Just Is!

Alessi even hit him with.. it's just MATH.. simple MATH ...

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Burgess is saying he didn't know what Welcher was trying to connect to 1162-2

This stuff is hard to follow... we have the ability to go back and look and to read comments here or anywhere. This cannot be easy for the jury. IMO

I am listening to see if the defense has conceded that the 1162 techstream event is that night. Possibly? But as of now, Alessi's questions to Burgess are specific to others reports that say it is or that are responding to reports that say it is the event. My understanding is that DiSorga's report is just a reply to the Jan 2025 Burgess report, and Burgess said he did the May 8th report in response to that.

I'm a bit annoyed that we don't get to see the full reports or have them available lol

IMO I don’t think the defense has formally conceded that 1162 happened that night. Alessi’s line of questioning seems strategic: he’s poking holes in the CW’s timeline and expert consistency, not endorsing it. He’s cornering them into saying ‘yes, 1162 equals the hit’, which makes it even riskier for them if it’s later disproven. He’s setting a trap, not accepting their version. All IMO.

 

[Warwick7]

Burgess abandoned his call log analysis from his 1/30/25 report in his 5/8/25 report. He says he ‘didn’t depart from it, he used another method.’ Alessi openly chuckles here.

In his 5/8/25 report, Burgess ignored the call logs because ‘they cannot be assumed to apply to other time frames as stated in the initial report’.

BBM
I never want Alessi to openly chuckle about me.

 

[Forest_Wood]

He's giving lives with mom vibes...

He has a wedding ring on. But I don't think his appearance matters here.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924838182186573953

 

[Warwick7]

Alessi even hit him with.. it's just MATH.. simple MATH ...

Keep posting! I can't watch today and everyone's posts are thrilling!!

 

[missy1974]

IMO I don’t think the defense has formally conceded that 1162 happened that night. Alessi’s line of questioning seems strategic: he’s poking holes in the CW’s timeline and expert consistency, not endorsing it. He’s cornering them into saying ‘yes, 1162 equals the hit’, which makes it even riskier for them if it’s later disproven. He’s setting a trap, not accepting their version. All IMO.

That is what I see too... But until we see the defense witnesses, we won't know I don't think. They sure have been able to keep those types of things quiet in this case LOL

 

[jepop]

Crazy that this is all about a reversal event, not even a collision event, because there was no collision event registered by Karen’s Lexus (because there was no collision IMO). We are soooo into the weeds trying to find a way to paint Karen to be guilty.

Yes, this is definately worth repeating; Burgess and Welcher are alleging a reversal event, not a collision event. The Lexus did not at any point record a collision event.

IMO. The cw is not going to be able to show BARD JO sustained his injuries via vehicular impact. Additionally and to the contrary I think it will be the defense who end up proving BARD that he could not have been hit by a vehicle. For good measure. I feel like the defense is doing the prosecution's job in reverse as per last trial. Jmo

 

[mzmarymac]

He has a wedding ring on. But I don't think his appearance matters here.

Respectfully, I never mentioned his appearance.

 

[missy1974]

Alessi and Burgess just said something that I'm curious about...

techstream event = sensors and various modules on the vehicle.

Does her car have sensors???? Omg I hate when the sensors on my truck go off and I can't see why (short girl problems LOL) Would the Lexus not record that?

I am really curious about the data they were able to collect but it seems like we are not going to see the raw data. I have had other thoughts too... like, does it record if the car was remote started? is that the beginning of an cycle when looking at times? Questions.. I have questions.. lol

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Yes, this is definately worth repeating; Burgess and Welcher are alleging a reversal event, not a collision event. The Lexus did not at any point record a collision event.

IMO. The cw is not going to be able to show BARD JO sustained his injuries via vehicular impact. Additionally and to the contrary I think it will be the defense who end up proving BARD that he could not have been hit by a vehicle. For good measure. I feel like the defense is doing the prosecution's job in reverse as per last trial. Jmo

We aren't gonna let that bolded part get in the way of a good story JMO

 

[rescuemom]

To continue this is not only ridiculous and offending to anyone listening, it is a total waste of time proving the CW case was so weak to begin with they then decided to focus on science.

So now Welcher will take more time to do what???? I'm sure his presentation/testimony is ready to go, but why is he needed? I would think he, at this point wants no part of this.

Pathetic

 

[Maat99]

Welcher is an EVP. PhD/ms/bs education. So kind of a top dog.
He definitely needs to clean this mess up in some fashion to salvage the company.
It might include discrediting this guy and revising his report on the stand.
He needs to bow to the greater good for Aperture and do what that takes
IMO.

This is also what I think. They have 65 experts in accident reconstruction (including Welcher) and 2 in “digital forensics”- this guy and a retired cop who joined less than a year ago. No way are they blowing up the core business for this guy and his indefensible version of digital forensics.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Something I need Burgess to explain wayyy more is why the phone drift isn’t consistent. In his report, the ‘time drift’ ranges from 2-8 seconds, and then there’s one event with a variance of 16-21 seconds. Is he saying that neither clock is even consistently off? I have a feeling the jury won’t be bringing much of this to the deliberation table, IMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

To continue this is not only ridiculous and offending to anyone listening, it is a total waste of time proving the CW case was so weak to begin with they then decided to focus on science.

So now Welcher will take more time to do what???? I'm sure his presentation/testimony is ready to go, but why is he needed? I would think he, at this point wants no part of this.

Pathetic

Completely agree. Huge waste of time. Glad I don't live in MA or I'd be pretty angry DA Morrisey is wasting my tax dollars on this. If they want a circus just bring Ringling Brothers to town. IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Burgess showed several examples of video evidence yesterday that contradict his own analysis. He says the Lexus clock is slow; you have to add 21-29 seconds to get the correct time.

But when you apply that to Karen leaving 1 Meadows to look for John around 5:07, we see that even in the video presented, the Lexus is leaving the garage before his alleged power on event.

Photo attached is from his presentation with my markup.

 

[HarmonyE.]

This is also what I think. They have 65 experts in accident reconstruction (including Welcher) and 2 in “digital forensics”- this guy and a retired cop who joined less than a year ago. No way are they blowing up the core business for this guy and his indefensible version of digital forensics.

I can see their overall reputation suffering, especially if the insurance companies who regularly use them get wind of all this nonsense.

As for Burgess about his degree on his online CV and Linkedin, if he lied to his employer to get the job or to get better/more assignments, he'll be fired. I worked with a guy for a few months at a company who had lied on his application and said he had obtained a Bachelors degree, when he was actually a number of credits short. He was fired as soon as HR confirmed with his former school that he wasn't even enrolled.

People like this cannot be trusted. Especially not doing the kind of work Mr. Burgess is engaged in.

 

[Soulmagent]

Burgess showed several examples of video evidence yesterday that contradict his own analysis. He says the Lexus clock is slow; you have to add 21-29 seconds to get the correct time.

But when you apply that to Karen leaving 1 Meadows to look for John around 5:07, we see that even in the video presented, the Lexus is leaving the garage before his alleged power on event.

I did notice that during one slide shown ,the graph did not even start until 6 . So the CW was asking questions for things not on the graph. I thought I was missing something.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I did notice that during one slide shown ,the graph did not even start until 6 . So the CW was asking questions for things not on the graph. I thought I was missing something.

Almost like he didn’t have anyone review his reports for accuracy. Oh wait… he testified yesterday that he didn’t!

 

[Maat99]

I can see their overall reputation suffering, especially if the insurance companies who regularly use them get wind of all this nonsense.

As for Burgess about his degree on his online CV and Linkedin, if he lied to his employer to get the job or to get better/more assignments, he'll be fired. I worked with a guy for a few months at a company who had lied on his application and said he had obtained a Bachelors degree, when he was actually a number of credits short. He was fired as soon as HR confirmed with his former school that he wasn't even enrolled.

People like this cannot be trusted. Especially not doing the kind of work Mr. Burgess is engaged in.

Oh he is definitely getting fired. They have Shanon and one other new guy in “digital forensics”. They clearly don’t have the expertise in their leadership to even know what they don’t know. IMO they will get rid of this entire area.