MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #28 Retrial

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924885714438697244

 

[Maat99]

This is why I am not sure if the defense is conceding that 1162 is the right time. He is using other reports that have concluded 1162 was that night, but Burgess did not independently review the raw data.

I went back the ARCCA hearing to figure out what exactly ARCCA was asked to do by the defense. They were given the raw data to figure out.

Do we even know what reports he is using as the basis for his analysis?

 

[sunshineray]

We already have discussed that technology is not foolproof and they aren't ever 100% reliable.

Correct but Mr Burgess's testimony of his data analysis comes extremely close.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Karen Read’s attorneys fight back against allegations they lied to judge​

Is this relevant to the current proceedings?

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924434627793388003

Thank you @waldojabba for posting this. And viewing the Aperture LLC website today for this expert, when loading the CV for Shanon Burgess that “Not For Expert Designation” displays on the downloaded CV.

IMO it may be that there will be no further updates to Mr. Burgess’ links or qualifications profile until after payment in full is received from the CW? MOO

Shanon Burgess | Forensic Expert

Shanon Burgess

www.aperturellc.com

https://aperture-v3.cdn.prismic.io/aperture-v3/ZiqxmPPdc1huK1vE_ShanonBurgess.pdf

 

[sunshineray]

There isn't time for that. Shouldn't the CW have done that once they received his report in January? Wait, they did. They asked him to change it to match current testimony. So, that change occurred during this trial! This "expert" also admitted that he had a conclusion before he started his analysis of the events. He also talked to someone involved to get the story - in other words, what do you want this report to say?

Bottom line, he is a hired hand!! He was told what they wanted the report to say, and he manipulated that data to get that result. He is not even an "expert" and should have not been approved in the first place! When he admitted the errors and admitted that he changed his report, the "judge" should have thrown him out - discounted him completely! He is NOT qualified to do this work!!! IMO

I've heard no testimony that the CW asked Mr Burgess to change anything. Can you direct me to that please if you want to discuss it. TIA

 

[Linda7NJ]

You are conflating with what he ‘clarified’ to Alessi. He did not list himself as general studies with two minors. That’s how he explained his CV discrepancies to Alessi. You can see he himself listed ‘Bachelor of General Science in Mathematics and Business Administration’ in my post #307 in this thread.

I feel like many of us in this forum work in a professional field where misrespresenting yourself in this way could be a career ender - myself included. I have to say, I am surprised at how many people seem willing to wave away these ‘discrepancies’, and I wonder how those same people would react if it were a defense witness found to have been fraudulent. MOO.

Personally, I don’t care what degree someone holds if they’re excellent at what they do and provide accurate information.
It’s not rocket science and ironically Elon Musk holds zero degrees in rocket science.

All IMO

 

[HarmonyE.]

"Time drift"? How about calendar drift? Burgess is a buffoon who couldn't even get the dates corrrect. On multiple documents! Nothing he says can be taken at face value. He's an incomptent liar.

And is Brennan even reading the stuff he discloses? Or is he happy just to be getting a fat check from the Commonwealth?

 

[tara83]

Correct but Mr Burgess's testimony of his data analysis comes extremely close.

You do realize he stated that none of data reported a collision?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

bbm

#KarenRead G'morning. A pre-trial hearing is about to resume after being adjourned last week by the judge. We expect defense attorneys to respond to the prosecutor's allegations that they misrepresented the independence of two expert witnesses at Rea'ds first trial.

We may also hear formal confirmation of yesterday's news, as reported by 5 Investigates, that the federal investigation into this case has ended with no police officer being charged.

Judge Beverly Cannone enters. Attorneys are introducing themselves.

Judge says she learned at last week's hearing of a "previously undisclosed relationship" between the defense and the ARCCA witnesses. She is listing the documents she has been reviewing since last week.

Judge says the $24k bill from ARCCA to the defense are not just for travel expenses but for testimony as well. Judge says she suspended the hearing last week because she didn't think it was fair to make the defense respond on the spot.


Judge says what the prosecutor said last week was inconsistent with what she remembered happening at trial. So she has been reviewing the transcripts.

Judge says what concerns her most is something said at sidebar at a hearing on Jan 6, 2025. She is now reading from a transcript from that sidebar.

Judge says Jackson told her that he had no additional discovery about the two ARCCA witnesses to share with the prosecutors. "That was concerning to me," says the judge.

"I don't know what will flow from this," the judge says before inviting defense attorneys to explain themselves. Defense attorney Robert Alessi rises to say he will speak for the defense on this topic.


Alessi hands the judge a notebook. She says she will take a five-minute recess to review it.


Correction: the sidebar at which the ARCCA witnesses were discussed happened on Feb 6, not Jan 6.

@BienickWCVB

Oh cool, I didn’t know he was an approved source! Here’s another good tweet from him:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924850888117539178

 

[missy1974]

Do we even know what reports he is using as the basis for his analysis?

From what I have understood already, he is using Welchers report for the 1162 event. He is also an Aperture witness, accident reconstructionist.

Judson B. Welcher | Executive Vice President

Judson B. Welcher

www.aperturellc.com

The cell phone data, I believe is from Whiffins report.

I have no idea what Burgess was going to be able to testify to before his May 8th report that would have been helpful for the CW?

 

[keek]

Correct but Mr Burgess's testimony of his data analysis comes extremely close.

That's a problem. Murder trial. IMO

 

[Leilei]

bbm

#KarenRead G'morning. A pre-trial hearing is about to resume after being adjourned last week by the judge. We expect defense attorneys to respond to the prosecutor's allegations that they misrepresented the independence of two expert witnesses at Rea'ds first trial.

We may also hear formal confirmation of yesterday's news, as reported by 5 Investigates, that the federal investigation into this case has ended with no police officer being charged.

Judge Beverly Cannone enters. Attorneys are introducing themselves.

Judge says she learned at last week's hearing of a "previously undisclosed relationship" between the defense and the ARCCA witnesses. She is listing the documents she has been reviewing since last week.

Judge says the $24k bill from ARCCA to the defense are not just for travel expenses but for testimony as well. Judge says she suspended the hearing last week because she didn't think it was fair to make the defense respond on the spot.


Judge says what the prosecutor said last week was inconsistent with what she remembered happening at trial. So she has been reviewing the transcripts.

Judge says what concerns her most is something said at sidebar at a hearing on Jan 6, 2025. She is now reading from a transcript from that sidebar.

Judge says Jackson told her that he had no additional discovery about the two ARCCA witnesses to share with the prosecutors. "That was concerning to me," says the judge.

"I don't know what will flow from this," the judge says before inviting defense attorneys to explain themselves. Defense attorney Robert Alessi rises to say he will speak for the defense on this topic.


Alessi hands the judge a notebook. She says she will take a five-minute recess to review it.


Correction: the sidebar at which the ARCCA witnesses were discussed happened on Feb 6, not Jan 6.

@BienickWCVB

Can you please provide a link to this and the previous one, so that we can see the date, etc...?
TYIA

 

[louvillian08]

Burgess said that he has it timestamped. If Alessi disagreed, he needed to put that contention to this witness IMO.

While I acknowledge the possibility to argue in the alternative e.g this Brian or that Brian or both Brians, I don't think it's realistic to argue "my client was not driving at high speed in reverse but even if she was it was 20 seconds earlier ... "

Just as a practical matter, I don't think he will do that - nor is it what he said to the Judge.

MOO

BBM. This is not true. He testified that he doesn't have the raw VCH data . He is working off a report of the data which does not have date and time stamps. Hence his report ridiculously featuring a timeline with everything occurring on 1/30.

He is working off the elapsed time in the key cycle data for the trigger events.

 

[Soulmagent]

I've heard no testimony that the CW asked Mr Burgess to change anything. Can you direct me to that please if you want to discuss it. TIA

I tryed but the time stamps are shifting -2 +18.4- 26

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Can you please provide a link to this and the previous one, so that we can see the date, etc...?
TYIA

Pretty sure the tweet in question is from February.

 

[Leilei]

bbm

#KarenRead G'morning. A pre-trial hearing is about to resume after being adjourned last week by the judge. We expect defense attorneys to respond to the prosecutor's allegations that they misrepresented the independence of two expert witnesses at Rea'ds first trial.

We may also hear formal confirmation of yesterday's news, as reported by 5 Investigates, that the federal investigation into this case has ended with no police officer being charged.

Judge Beverly Cannone enters. Attorneys are introducing themselves.

Judge says she learned at last week's hearing of a "previously undisclosed relationship" between the defense and the ARCCA witnesses. She is listing the documents she has been reviewing since last week.

Judge says the $24k bill from ARCCA to the defense are not just for travel expenses but for testimony as well. Judge says she suspended the hearing last week because she didn't think it was fair to make the defense respond on the spot.


Judge says what the prosecutor said last week was inconsistent with what she remembered happening at trial. So she has been reviewing the transcripts.

Judge says what concerns her most is something said at sidebar at a hearing on Jan 6, 2025. She is now reading from a transcript from that sidebar.

Judge says Jackson told her that he had no additional discovery about the two ARCCA witnesses to share with the prosecutors. "That was concerning to me," says the judge.

"I don't know what will flow from this," the judge says before inviting defense attorneys to explain themselves. Defense attorney Robert Alessi rises to say he will speak for the defense on this topic.


Alessi hands the judge a notebook. She says she will take a five-minute recess to review it.


Correction: the sidebar at which the ARCCA witnesses were discussed happened on Feb 6, not Jan 6.

@BienickWCVB

Please provide a link for this one, too.
TYIA!

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

BBM
We have time drifts, calendar drifts, why not add point drifts?
And CV drifts?
ALL THE DRIFTS.
IMO.

The Fast and The Furious 4: CV Drift.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

From what I have understood already, he is using Welchers report for the 1162 event. He is also an Aperture witness, accident reconstructionist.

Judson B. Welcher | Executive Vice President

Judson B. Welcher

www.aperturellc.com

The cell phone data, I believe is from Whiffins report.

I have no idea what Burgess was going to be able to testify to before his May 8th report that would have been helpful for the CW?

In my complete speculation, he was going to testify on the ‘missing bits/bytes’ and try to make it seem like some defense conspiracy - just like how he implied Maggie Gaffney was being deceptive by not retrieving the micro SD card, when in reality, when Gaffney completed the chip-off, the tech being used did not support analysis of the SD card - no need to retrieve it.

Twist, twist, twisting the truth… MOO

 

[Angelwatch]

Correct but Mr Burgess's testimony of his data analysis comes extremely close.

Oh man, I would not say that is true. Not even close. This man's work is sloppy!