MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #28 Retrial

[Leilei]

Yes. He said Aperture submitted the materials to the court on his behalf.

Thanks, Court TV has just started the re-cross so I wasn't sure.
IMO.

 

[ShadyLady]

@JHall7news


Burgess testifies he'd like to get his BS degree but "work and family get in the way" He says many people can understand that." He completes his testimony and steps down. jury sees three more clips of KR interviews. In one she says she made athree point turn.


3:07 PM · May 20, 2025

When John was still in the SUV, right?

 

[lohrtabitha]

So Alessi isn’t focusing on what matters - his conclusions.

Attacking the messenger not the message.

IMO

But if the messenger is not truthful how can his findings be?

 

[HarmonyE.]

After Burgess was let go, the first clip that Brennan played has Karen talking about when she and John were on the way to Fairview. She said that she missed the turn onto Fairview, and had to TURN AROUND using somebody's driveway. Could this be the 3-point turn that is the subject of Burgess' testimony?

Possible. She definitely got lost on the way.

As she didn't know the way, I suspect she put in John's address in Waze to get there after she dropped him off.

No traffic at that time so Waze would have sent her the shortest route, towards Chapman Street (the other routes are at least a minute or more longer).

She was facing the direction of Chapman at 34 Fairview, as confirmed by the 3 witnesses in the Nagel vehicle. Which means there was no reason to do a three point turn at that point and had she turned around, it would have taken her even longer to get to 1 Meadows. I'm local, but Google maps can confirm.

 

[Maat99]

Someone needs to invent a drink called the sidebah. Maybe a variation on a sidecar.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

That’s all for the jury today post-sidebar. Discussion needed among counsel?

 

[Linda7NJ]

But if the messenger is not truthful how can his findings be?

His credibility will be judged by the jury - I would suspect they’ll view it in context of other witnesses and their conclusions.
The evidence Karen hit him is overwhelming.

IMO

 

[Leilei]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1924906403954884715

‘If Brennan had brought out on direct the issues related to his expert's academic issues (as any prosecutor even willing to call this expert would do), it would hav been over in cross examination. By not doing that and diving into in redirect, he caused a second round of this devastating subject (with new evidence not used on cross), all while exposing for the jury his intent to conceal the evidence. He also destroyed the hour he spent on redirect trying o emphasize the reliability of the data. The only thing the jury will be left with is that Burgess and Aperture appear to be frauds. This examination was an exercise in exactly how not handle the direct (and redirect) of a witness with serious credibility issues’

Thank you for actually providing a LINK to the tweets/X
It makes things so much easier when looking for the information that you are sharing, and doesn't clutter up the thread.
IMO.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Someone needs to invent a drink called the sidebah. Maybe a variation on a sidecar.

Maybe you could do a red candy-shard rim for the tail light pieces…

 

[Linda7NJ]

But if the messenger is not truthful how can his findings be?

ARCCA Dr. Wolfe, claimed had no relationship with the defense and that was a lie. They both also did not follow the sequestration order.

IMO

 

[ShadyLady]

Possible. She definitely got lost on the way.

As she didn't know the way, I suspect she put in John's address in Waze to get there after she dropped him off.

No traffic at that time so Waze would have sent her the shortest route, towards Chapman Street (the other routes are at least a minute or more longer).

She was facing the direction of Chapman at 34 Fairview, as confirmed by the 3 witnesses in the Nagel vehicle. Which means there was no reason to do a three point turn at that point and had she turned around, it would have taken her even longer to get to 1 Meadows. I'm local, but Google maps can confirm.

Which IMO....makes all the timestamps from prosecution....worthless....

 

[tara83]

His credibility will be judged by the jury - I would suspect they’ll view it in context of other witnesses and their conclusions.
The evidence Karen hit him is overwhelming.

IMO

Like the CW's own witness the medical examiner who doesn't believe he was hit by a car?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

But if the messenger is not truthful how can his findings be?

Exactly this. If the person interpreting the data has misrepresented their qualifications, how can we trust that they didn’t also misinterpret or selectively present the evidence? A tainted messenger taints the message. And the only person to blame is the CW, IMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

His credibility will be judged by the jury - I would suspect they’ll view it in context of other witnesses and their conclusions.
The evidence Karen hit him is overwhelming.

IMO

What overwhelming evidence is there?

 

[missy1974]

Possible. She definitely got lost on the way.

As she didn't know the way, I suspect she put in John's address in Waze to get there after she dropped him off.

No traffic at that time so Waze would have sent her the shortest route, towards Chapman Street (the other routes are at least a minute or more longer).

She was facing the direction of Chapman at 34 Fairview, as confirmed by the 3 witnesses in the Nagel vehicle. Which means there was no reason to do a three point turn at that point and had she turned around, it would have taken her even longer to get to 1 Meadows. I'm local, but Google maps can confirm.

I don't think she did use Waze on her own phone? If she did, wouldn't we have that data?

If she used Waze, she would have to enable location services or it won't work. I don't recall any information about her location on her phone in the last trial or this one.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Like the CW's own witness the medical examiner who doesn't believe he was hit by a car?

IMO She was incredibly lazy & I was not impressed with her or her testimony.

 

[Derph]

There's been ZERO actual evidence that KR hit JOK. It's staggering to me that they have yet to show how she hit him!!

 

[HarmonyE.]

Which IMO....makes all the timestamps from prosecution....worthless....

If the new/old story this time is she hit him during a 3 point turn.

Of course, Trooper Paul didn't testify to that last time. So it's theory de jour with the CW.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

His credibility will be judged by the jury - I would suspect they’ll view it in context of other witnesses and their conclusions.
The evidence Karen hit him is overwhelming.

IMO

And what evidence is that?

The collision Karen’s Lexus mysteriously didn’t record? Wonder why…

Or is it the wounds on John’s body that don’t match with a vehicle strike?

 

[HarmonyE.]

I don't think she did use Waze on her own phone? If she did, wouldn't we have that data?

If she used Waze, she would have to enable location services or it won't work. I don't recall any information about her location on her phone in the last trial or this one.

Did the Lexus have a GPS available on her screen? Has this ever even been addressed?

If not, I doubt she could have found her way directly to 1 Meadows without at least some difficulty. Backtracking to Waterfall is not the most direct route. More time?