MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #30 Retrial

[Tortoise]

Per JW testimony he did not say the Lexus only traveled 87 feet. He said he didn't know how far it would have continued on. JMOO

That's why I wrote, at some point after 87 feet.

 

[rescuemom]

I think it's to test under the same conditions, as far as possible. To see if anything affects the outcome that wouldn't necessarily be obvious otherwise, such as how clothing might inter-react or change outcome, for instance on the jeans there was a scratch on the car where there was a metal stud, and IMO as regards other clothing for instance - a cap peak might hit somewhere, certain shoe soles might affect movement, a shirt sleeve length might receive damage etc. I believe that is how scientific tests are conducted by replicating all details as far as possible. Otherwise, you would get a defence lawyer saying 'but you weren't wearing the same jeans the victim was wearing, so how can you compare the two?'

I don't think he engaged in subliminal messaging. There is no evidence for him being unprofessional or biased. JMO

I've yet to hear him address a broken headlight. Wasn't that the latest contoversy in witness testimony? His demonstartion wants us to look at an intact headlight. Bizarre and unbelievable, IMO

 

[Forest_Wood]

I will have to look later to see if we have actual distances in that area. Like how wide of a lot was the Albert's yard? or the neighbour's yard? It's so much easier to visualize to have a comparison like that. The CW didn't do that

The size of a postage stamp!

 

[Tortoise]

I don't know where the 87 feet reverse drive came from. Lets keep the data reported straight so it doesnt mislead those reading the posts. Welcher said, " It went 34 feet forward, then it came back another 53 feet past where it went."

87 feet came from his testimony on direct.

He said that the techstream data from the SUV showed that the car travelled a total of 87 feet. The car traveled forward about 35 feet before shifting into reverse and traveling a total of 87 feet backwards, according to Welcher.

Link: MSN

 

[rescuemom]

There WAS no collision, there was NO collision, there was no COLLISION. Huge waste of time, money and an insult to any justice for JOK, IMO.

 

[lohrtabitha]

No.. the data shows 34 feet forward...

Then 34 PLUS another 53 feet... a total of 87 feet in reverse ( these are minimum distances because when the data started, the car was already in forward motion and still in reverse motion when it stopped)

Alessi had him clarify yesterday, because in his direct testimony, it did sound like only reversed 53 feet.

Thanks I missed the clarification. Welcher was spouting off so many things, it was hard to follow. That being said, I find it hard to believe that all that traversing happened especially knowing that these event data recorders have been proven unreliable over the years. Here is an article attesting to that:

Toyota appears to do an about-face on reliability of black boxes in its vehicles

Toyota appears to do an about-face on reliability of black boxes in its vehicles

www.latimes.com

 

[lohrtabitha]

87 feet came from his testimony on direct.

He said that the techstream data from the SUV showed that the car travelled a total of 87 feet. The car traveled forward about 35 feet before shifting into reverse and traveling a total of 87 feet backwards, according to Welcher.

Link: MSN

Thanks for the clarification but I don't believe that the data is correct when these boxes have been proven to be unreliable. Toyota appears to do an about-face on reliability of black boxes in its vehicles

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So Dr Welcher uses Trooper Paul’s odometer photo/log (12,665) as the basis for his interpretation of events. He subtracted mileage from the odometer to arrive at the start odometer reading of 12,629. It’s based on TP’s CARS analysis.

 

[missy1974]

Thanks I missed the clarification. Welcher was spouting off so many things, it was hard to follow. That being said, I find it hard to believe that all that traversing happened especially knowing that these event data recorders have been proven unreliable over the years. Here is an article attesting to that:

Toyota appears to do an about-face on reliability of black boxes in its vehicles

Toyota appears to do an about-face on reliability of black boxes in its vehicles

www.latimes.com

Thanks for the link... that is something I have found too in my research but didn't want to go there haha Because it sure does seem like there is something wrong with this data. But knowing that whoever is putting it into a chart is picking and choosing and it's could just be done wrong too, but I would assume lawyers would be all over that, no?

all JMO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

So Dr Welcher uses Trooper Paul’s odometer photo/log (12,665) as the basis for his interpretation of events. He subtracted mileage from the odometer to arrive at the start odometer reading of 12,629. It’s based on TP’s CARS analysis.

So we don't have some new infallible information as was purported to me a few days ago?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So Dr Welcher uses Trooper Paul’s odometer photo/log (12,665) as the basis for his interpretation of events. He subtracted mileage from the odometer to arrive at the start odometer reading of 12,629. It’s based on TP’s CARS analysis.

Alessi is pointing out how many of Welcher’s reports are rooted in the deduction of the odometer. So they’ll use TP’s odometer, but not his sworn key cycle of 1164? That’s an issue!

Welcher’s entire analysis is essentially based on Trooper Paul’s report.

 

[rescuemom]

I don't understand the point of the voir dire unless it is just to get it on the record. Bev will allow anything and everything Hank wants.

She needs to rein in the ramblings of Welsher

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So we don't have some new infallible information as was purported to me a few days ago?

It’s sounding like he copy/pasted TP’s report and added some new ‘experiments’ MOO

 

[missy1974]

When you work back the key cycle 1162... ends up when the lexus is in the possession of the State...

So there we have it...

 

[Wishbone]

That's why I wrote, at some point after 87 feet.

The Lexus was still still going at 23 mph when trigger data stopped recording. The car was still moving after the 87 feet had been covered. JW doesn't know how much farther it traveled. At one point JW said it could have gone to outer space. IMO he proved NOTHING, his findings were and are incomplete.

According to Welcher, Read’s Lexus traveled forward about 34feet during the trigger event, paused, and reversed an additional 53feet from its starting point, for a total distance of 87 feet. The vehicle was “still going” 23 mph when the trigger data stopped recording, he said.

“And you can see that it’s still at 74% throttle,” Welcher added. “So, you know, this is three-quarters of full throttle, inreverse.”

Karen Read trial: Accident reconstructionist dressed like John O’Keefe to test crash scenarios


The Commonwealth's crash reconstructionist, Judson Welcher, said that Karen Read's Lexus could have 'shot off into space,' though it was highly unlikely. (5/28/25)

‘Let’s Get Back To Reality’: Expert Suggests Karen Read’s Lexus Could Launch to Space - NewsBreak

The Commonwealth's crash reconstructionist, Judson Welcher, said that Karen Read's Lexus could have 'shot off into space,' though it was highly unlikely. (

www.newsbreak.com

 

[ShadyLady]

Thanks I missed the clarification. Welcher was spouting off so many things, it was hard to follow. That being said, I find it hard to believe that all that traversing happened especially knowing that these event data recorders have been proven unreliable over the years. Here is an article attesting to that:

Toyota appears to do an about-face on reliability of black boxes in its vehicles

Toyota appears to do an about-face on reliability of black boxes in its vehicles

www.latimes.com

oh.....great info. And the good Dr can just create charts from thin air. Can this come in at this late date??

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Now discussing Dr Scordi Bello’s report. He admitted that he ‘adopted’ the autopsy report - in fact, he used it in his slide presentation.

So he used an autopsy that said John wasn’t struck by a vehicle as part of his report to prove… that John was hit by a vehicle?

So welcher just picked and chose what looked best for him… CONFIRMATION BIAS! MOO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928053818157064691

 

[Wishbone]

87 feet came from his testimony on direct.

He said that the techstream data from the SUV showed that the car travelled a total of 87 feet. The car traveled forward about 35 feet before shifting into reverse and traveling a total of 87 feet backwards, according to Welcher.

Link: MSN

And yet the Lexus continued on according to JW. See previous links that were provided.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Alessi now explicitly says that 1162-2 occurred when the Lexus was in possession of the state (Proctor maneuvering the car onto the tow truck). Right place, right time, as I thought. MOO