MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #30 Retrial

[Amber29]

I actually found the docuseries to support my decision of NG. I found her refreshingly honest, even when some of her statements wouldn’t necessarily benefit her. All of her wondering if she hit him, clipped him, etc., point to someone running through scenarios in their head and not admissions of guilt. Karen was surprised when she woke up and didn’t find OJO home. She knew he wouldn’t leave his niece home alone, which is why she didn’t jump to the conclusion that he slept at the Albert’s. IMO.

Oh I didn’t finish the documentary thinking she was guilty. I was just saying it was a bad decision to have them public before her trial because of how they are being used now. Snippets being taken out of context to make her seem guilty. Like the one played where she impersonates John’s Mom. That should never have been allowed, it had no evidential value, it was purely to make the jurors dislike her. Her lawyers should’ve known this would happen, they are very good at their jobs. I happen to think the CW knows their case isn’t strong, these clips are absolutely their best “evidence” as someone else said as well.

 

[sunshineray]

Other injuries being the strange marks on his arm and little knee bruise?

The injuries to his arm.

 

[Tortoise]

No, what Alessi did was have him try to do the "math" because he didn't "show his math". Alessi very painfully had Welcher figure out how much force to break various bones in his hand and/or arm, and asked him about the literature.

I suspect we will find out more from ARCCA.

all JMO

Exactly. He didn't dispute that his arm would likely have broken the taillight.

Alessi focused on bone breakage when bones don't always break and are unlikely to break when hitting a large flat surface area like the taillight, according to the expert. Welcher also noted that John's arm wasn't even x-rayed.

 

[Wishbone]

Exactly.
Which is why I'm asking OP for a link to the allegation that she said that as she was driving away.
Zero evidence of that happening and pure speculation, IMO.

Common sense would tell one that if she even said anything like seeing his face while driving away it would be GAME OVER. She didn't see him and she didn't hit him with her Lexus. JMOO

 

[tara83]

Exactly. He didn't dispute that his arm would likely have broken the taillight.

Alessi focused on bone breakage when bones don't always break and are unlikely to break when hitting a large flat surface area like the taillight, according to the expert. Welcher also noted that John's arm wasn't even x-rayed.

Hit his arm hard enough to break taillight into 47 pieces but not break his arm. Well that's sure some theory

 

[sunshineray]

Karen freaking out because JOK had never not come home when the kids were there is something I try to point out anytime I see people suggesting her behavior was suspicious or that she should have just assumed he was sleeping at a house he didn’t even know how to get to. JMO

Her freaking out including the massive phone messages she left JO sounded like, IMO, she thought JO was taking the opportunity of them being apart to cheat. JMO that was where her drunken head was at. We'll never know for sure if JO and KR had some massive fight, in the car, outside the house that night...what was said. But KR sure left some angry, drunken messages cursing JO out, not so much sounding worried at where he was, just very angry he wasn't answering or getting back to her. AJMO

 

[Leilei]

Her freaking out including the massive phone messages she left JO sounded like, IMO, she thought JO was taking the opportunity of them being apart to cheat. JMO that was where her drunken head was at. We'll never know for sure if JO and KR had some massive fight, in the car, outside the house that night...what was said. But KR sure left some angry, drunken messages cursing JO out, not so much sounding worried at where he was, just very angry he wasn't answering or getting back to her. AJMO

None of that is evidence that she was responsible for his death.
IMO.

 

[Maat99]

Her freaking out including the massive phone messages she left JO sounded like, IMO, she thought JO was taking the opportunity of them being apart to cheat. JMO that was where her drunken head was at. We'll never know for sure if JO and KR had some massive fight, in the car, outside the house that night...what was said. But KR sure left some angry, drunken messages cursing JO out, not so much sounding worried at where he was, just very angry he wasn't answering or getting back to her. AJMO

So she absolutely had no idea that he was injured or dead by car or any other means. I wonder why the CW played clips out of context making it seem like she did know. Pretty despicable Imo.

 

[missy1974]

From Welcher's report.. and slide show... he does show a vehicle/pedestrial accident where no bones were broken in lower extremities... I won't put the photos of the person in here, but here is a list of the persons injuries... and a picture of the damage to the car.

(my thoughts... I wouldn't want the jury to see this if I was the CW lol)

 

[Wishbone]

Karen freaking out because JOK had never not come home when the kids were there is something I try to point out anytime I see people suggesting her behavior was suspicious or that she should have just assumed he was sleeping at a house he didn’t even know how to get to. JMO

I don't find her suspicions unfounded.They had a relationship with alcohol at the center of it and good ole JO was the bachelor all the soccer moms seemed to love to be around.To the point that she found a drunk JO in the arms of another woman just a month before. It may have been an innocent encounter but the thought was planted anyway and we don't know what other situations may have led to trust issues. They had jealousy issues on both sides and her reaction makes sense until she realizes that he most likely wouldn't forget about the kids and not come home. Then she began to really worry and wonder what could have happened to him. JMOO

 

[Spider92]

Will KR testify in her trial? She says, "TBD". Yeah, I'm on the edge of my seat to see how that one turns out. Will she remain behind the defense table or will she get up and explain how her statements evolved over time:

“I think John could have gotten hit by a snowplow” (to JOK’s niece and others?)
“I left him at the Waterfall” (to Jen McCabe)
“Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, John’s dead” (to Kerry Roberts)
"Did I hit him, could I have hit him?” (to Jen McCabe)
"I hit him, I hit him, I hit him" OR “Did I hit him?” (Firefighter/EMT)
“Dad, I think I struck something” (to William Read)
“No, she did not see him enter the house.” (to Proctor, yeah I know…)
“What if I clipped him in the knee?” (to David Yannetti)
“Did he come and hit the back of my car, and I hit him in the knee?” (April 2024 docuseries)

.....and then finally, just this month:
“I saw John go in the house” (to reporter outside courthouse 5/8/25)

And please don't tell me that (a) all of those people lied or (b) she was still drunk and hysterical when she talked to DY and in the April 2024 docuseries.

 

[tara83]

Will KR testify in her trial? She says, "TBD". Yeah, I'm on the edge of my seat to see how that one turns out. Will she remain behind the defense table or will she get up and explain how her statements evolved over time:

“I think John could have gotten hit by a snowplow” (to JOK’s niece and others?)
“I left him at the Waterfall” (to Jen McCabe)
“Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, John’s dead” (to Kerry Roberts)
"Did I hit him, could I have hit him?” (to Jen McCabe)
"I hit him, I hit him, I hit him" OR “Did I hit him?” (Firefighter/EMT)
“Dad, I think I struck something” (to William Read)
“No, she did not see him enter the house.” (to Proctor, yeah I know…)
“What if I clipped him in the knee?” (to David Yannetti)
“Did he come and hit the back of my car, and I hit him in the knee?” (April 2024 docuseries)

.....and then finally, just this month:
“I saw John go in the house” (to reporter outside courthouse 5/8/25)

And please don't tell me that (a) all of those people lied or (b) she was still drunk and hysterical when she talked to DY and in the April 2024 docuseries.

If they can't even prove he was hit by an SUV why should she?

 

[Maat99]

Will KR testify in her trial? She says, "TBD". Yeah, I'm on the edge of my seat to see how that one turns out. Will she remain behind the defense table or will she get up and explain how her statements evolved over time:

“I think John could have gotten hit by a snowplow” (to JOK’s niece and others?)
“I left him at the Waterfall” (to Jen McCabe)
“Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, John’s dead” (to Kerry Roberts)
"Did I hit him, could I have hit him?” (to Jen McCabe)
"I hit him, I hit him, I hit him" OR “Did I hit him?” (Firefighter/EMT)
“Dad, I think I struck something” (to William Read)
“No, she did not see him enter the house.” (to Proctor, yeah I know…)
“What if I clipped him in the knee?” (to David Yannetti)
“Did he come and hit the back of my car, and I hit him in the knee?” (April 2024 docuseries)

.....and then finally, just this month:
“I saw John go in the house” (to reporter outside courthouse 5/8/25)

And please don't tell me that (a) all of those people lied or (b) she was still drunk and hysterical when she talked to DY and in the April 2024 docuseries.

I think there was a time when she was sincerely worried that she could have hit him. Fortunately his injuries proved he was not struck by a vehicle. Unfortunately LE blew the investigation and lost the opportunity to figure out what really happened.

 

[SteveS]

Alessi didn't dispute with Welcher that an arm would break the taillight if the car was travelling at over 8 mph.

<modsnip> He's primarily not there to argue with them (my claim vs yours). Instead, he wants the guy to commit to specifics, and he focuses on places where the vagueness and assumptions and the transparent stupidity lingers. Alessi was nailing him down to commit to this or that (If you listen, he's asking "Is that your testimony?" and working to get that question answered, in this point or that.).

When W said that "an arm would break the taillight if the car was traveling at over 8 mph", with no actual tests, and something that doesn't pass the sniff test for anyone who has ever jogged past a car, Alessi doesn't want to mess with that. Just mark it. The ball is positioned perfectly on the tee.

Let the cw rest its case, which locks in their experts' claims. THEN bring the def experts to knock the stuffing out of the stupidity on display by this one claiming to be an expert, claiming to have integrity, claiming he's not making stuff up to pad a weak-to-nonexistent case.

The same was true with the 1162 nonsense that you and others crowed about, when def didn't challenge it in the moment. They left his nonsense right there on the tee, and then let the later cw witness be dismissive of the idea (which happened) and then left the ball on the tee again for the def experts to smash to smithereens. They're coming.

Why would Alessi challenge it and push for something better? For the def, that testimony was PERFECT.

 

[missy1974]

Will KR testify in her trial? She says, "TBD". Yeah, I'm on the edge of my seat to see how that one turns out. Will she remain behind the defense table or will she get up and explain how her statements evolved over time:

“I think John could have gotten hit by a snowplow” (to JOK’s niece and others?)
“I left him at the Waterfall” (to Jen McCabe)
“Kerry, Kerry, Kerry, John’s dead” (to Kerry Roberts)
"Did I hit him, could I have hit him?” (to Jen McCabe)
"I hit him, I hit him, I hit him" OR “Did I hit him?” (Firefighter/EMT)
“Dad, I think I struck something” (to William Read)
“No, she did not see him enter the house.” (to Proctor, yeah I know…)
“What if I clipped him in the knee?” (to David Yannetti)
“Did he come and hit the back of my car, and I hit him in the knee?” (April 2024 docuseries)

.....and then finally, just this month:
“I saw John go in the house” (to reporter outside courthouse 5/8/25)

And please don't tell me that (a) all of those people lied or (b) she was still drunk and hysterical when she talked to DY and in the April 2024 docuseries.

We always want to see the defendant testify... it rarely happens ... I am 99.99999% sure it won't happn in this case either lol

Every word gets picked apart, she won't and shouldn't do it. Would I like to watch that? Abso-friggen-lutely!

 

[missy1974]

<modsnip> He's primarily not there to argue with them (my claim vs yours). Instead, he wants the guy to commit to specifics, and he focuses on places where the vagueness and assumptions and the transparent stupidity lingers. Alessi was nailing him down to commit to this or that (If you listen, he's asking "Is that your testimony?" and working to get that question answered, in this point or that.).

When W said that "an arm would break the taillight if the car was traveling at over 8 mph", with no actual tests, and something that doesn't pass the sniff test for anyone who has ever jogged past a car, Alessi doesn't want to mess with that. Just mark it. The ball is positioned perfectly on the tee.

Let the cw rest its case, which locks in their experts' claims. THEN bring the def experts to knock the stuffing out of the stupidity on display by this one claiming to be an expert, claiming to have integrity, claiming he's not making stuff up to pad a weak-to-nonexistent case.

The same was true with the 1162 nonsense that you and others crowed about, when def didn't challenge it in the moment. They left his nonsense right there on the tee, and then let the later cw witness be dismissive of the idea (which happened) and then left the ball on the tee again for the def experts to smash to smithereens. They're coming.

Why would Alessi challenge it and push for something better? For the def, that testimony was PERFECT.

Thank you for explaining that!

Whenever Alessi was saying, ok thank you, moving on or that that was the answer I was looking for... he got what he needed, that was it. It may even be in anticipation for rebutal, if Welcher is already on the record saying what his opinion is, there is no need for him to come back. IMO

The 1162 stuff... oh my, I really do want to hear about that! Matt DiSogra is apparently the first witness tomorrow. He IS an expert on the EDR data. (event data recorder) So I hope we get some answers from him right out of the gate. IF he can say no way was 1162 from that night... what does the jury do with all the testimony so far?

I didn't look up DiSogra before today, I thought he was just a cell phone guy or like Burgess but with a degree

 

[Wishbone]

We always want to see the defendant testify... it rarely happens ... I am 99.99999% sure it won't happn in this case either lol

Every word gets picked apart, she won't and shouldn't do it. Would I like to watch that? Abso-friggen-lutely!

I can only think it's mostly defendants that don't present a cic that end up on the stand. KR defense will have plenty of witnesses and lots of evidence to present. IMO she will she will stay right where she is.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Nope,

Just descriptive, "a man" "the man". I'm sure not only KR was in shock at the situation. MO

Nope, not buying that. According to JM he was a dear friend of 10 years. You refer to your dear friends by their first name or would atleast say "my friend". A stranger is "a man".Jen Mccabe depersonalized it and I believe the defense will show us as to why.

 

[Spider92]

If they can't even prove he was hit by an SUV why should she?

Since I’m reasonable and rational I’m open to the possibility that she tried to hit him and (barely, if at all) missed him. Then he dodged the vehicle and stumbled on to the lawn. I’m not sure if that’s a crime, but might be.

 

[Wishbone]

Since I’m reasonable and rational I’m open to the possibility that she tried to hit him and (barely, if at all) missed him. Then he dodged the vehicle and stumbled on to the lawn. I’m not sure if that’s a crime, but might be.

Interesting thought but how does one explain the arm injuries and other minor injuries? It's a travesty this death was not thoroughly investigated and handled in a professional manner. That alone is enough to make me doubt why this case was ever brought to trial. JMOO