MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #31 Retrial

[Warwick7]

CW expert dresses as murder victim, becomes crash test dummy & presents 5th grader-type experiments!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1927550783236522376

 

[Lost mittens]

Judge Cannone wants to be famous, this is/was her baby but she's only going to be infamous and known for wasting money and her extreme bias towards the CW, MOO

I think she just enjoys the feeling of power tbh

 

[Warwick7]

Don’t underestimate the significance of Higgins’ Jeep. It’s a problem for the prosecution. It either undermines Welcher (in terms of the alleged crash location and/or his dubious method of cherry-picking non scientific “facts” to support his opinion) or it undermines Jennifer McCabe (and Higgins if the defense calls him). Neither one of these possibilities is a good one for the prosecution.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928053818157064691

 

[shotgun09]

CW expert dresses as murder victim, becomes crash test dummy & presents 5th grader-type experiments!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1927550783236522376

I cannot wait until the ARCCA experts get on the stand, and are asked if they performed Blue Paint experiments. That whole 'show' by Welcher was such bafoonery, IMO.

Wish we knew what the jurors faces displayed during that joke.

 

[themonk]

I thought the blue grease paint test was so impressive. I never expected those results, to align with the areas of lacerations on his whole arm, and I didn't imagine the taillight would be as high as his upper arm. I expect Mr Brennan will present those pictures to the dog bite expert. JMO

I wonder what the experts at ARCCA would make of the blue paint test performance.

 

[Tortoise]

I wonder what the experts at ARCCA would make of the blue paint test performance.

It answered a lot of questions about height of the rear light, arm exposure in relation to the plastic as it broke, and also his knee aligning with the bumper and his eye level with the spoiler. Not an ineffective test at all IMO.

 

[themonk]

It answered a lot of questions about height of the rear light, arm exposure in relation to the plastic as it broke, and also his knee aligning with the bumper and his eye level with the spoiler. Not an ineffective test at all IMO.

Remind me. Did JOK's arm break?

 

[shotgun09]

It answered a lot of questions about height of the rear light, arm exposure in relation to the plastic as it broke, and also his knee aligning with the bumper and his eye level with the spoiler. Not an ineffective test at all IMO.

The 'test' shown in court, had a cosplaying Welcher WALKING INTO the car, which was moving at 2 mph.. It was a joke ! He actually bent forward and into the vehicle to get the best paint 'spread'. In doing this, he proved nothing. It was a theory that JOK walked into the car with his arm out-streched holding a glass. There was zero proof of that ever given. And, Welcher just made a video of his theory with blue paint. It was obnoxious, and a slam to all science believers, who rely on facts. IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Remind me. Did JOK's arm break?

We don’t know - the ME never x-rayed extremities

 

[Warwick7]

The Medical Examiner never ruled John's death as the Prosecution wanted. She refused. This was not a vehicular homicide.

 

[Tortoise]

It was a theory that JOK walked into the car with his arm out-streched holding a glass. There was zero proof of that ever given. IMO

RSBM

That is the arm position with which most people would carry a drinking glass. In my experience.

 

[tara83]

We don’t know - the ME never x-rayed extremities

His arm is so strong it broke a taillight into 47 pieces so I'm sure it didn't break.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Defense needs to call MP - what are they afraid of... attorney client text memessages.

Actually, the defense doesn't need to call him. For what purpose? His texts have already been read to this jury and entered into evidence. What is your take on why the CW didn't call him if you think he needs to be seen and heard? Please defend him as I witness as I want to hear it from you.

 

[waldojabba]

Remind me. Did JOK's arm break?

There was no broken arm shown on the part of the medical examiner.
Welcher tried to say “Well how do we know if maybe there might be a hairline fracture in his arm since the incompetent ME never xrayed it”. Paraphrasing.
I don’t know if she xrayed it or not.
Are we to believe that the other arm was broken too since that was not xrayed and everything else that was not xrayed was broken as well”.
Just Welcher being Welcher.
For all intents and purposes imo there was no broken arm
JMO

 

[Wishbone]

The State of Massachusetts “She hit him with a car”

IMO

All I can say to them is, Then prove it. Which they have not. MOO

 

[geevee]

It appears the defense was ordered to give the CW a summary of their oral communications.

IMO if I was the defense, I would be as vague as possible because it seems that Brennan has no idea what she will say.

Apparently she is the female officer that we see in sallyport videos, she was working the morning that JOK was found at 34 Fairview, and there is speculation that she is the officer that saw Brian Higgens and Burkowitz in the sallyport during the time that video cuts out.

link to an April 2024 hearing where Yanetti mentions this is linked
we have a law enforcement witness, who will testify to seeing Chief Kenneth Burkowitz and Brian Higgins alone with Karen Read's vehicle on the afternoon of January 29th of 2022 for quote 'a wildly long time' .... we and we've now received video surveillance from the Canton Police Department that shows that there is an interior camera in that sallyport garage where the car was housed but in during the exact time that that third- party officer indicates that burwitz and Higgins were in the sallyport together the video mysteriously cuts out for 42 minutes between 5:08 between 5:08 and 5:50 p.m.

link to YB's testimony from this trial about that video that cuts out from 5:07pm - 5:50pm. Not sure why the defense didn't call her in the first trial, I think she was a Canton officer in Jan 22, but is now a BPD Officer.

All JMO.

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My feeling of why she wasn't called in Trial #1 is because JBC disallowed KR to use a third party culprit defense and her testimony would have been used to lay blame at LE's feet. At least that's the logic I see, but in this trial she gave them leeway for that defense. But....I see she's trying to give HB a helping hand by forcing defense to tell what she'll say, or at least what's been discussed.

Mooo

 

[DustysMom]

I agree, I’ve said it before but I think just-world fallacy plays a huge role in this case (the belief that bad things only happen to bad people, and that the legal system naturally sorts good from the guilty). People want to believe that Karen must have done something wrong, because it’s more comfortable than accepting the alternative, that an innocent woman could be framed, railroaded, or blamed to protect others in positions of power.

This bias shows up when people dismiss evidence of police misconduct, or when they brush off inconsistencies in the timeline, DNA questions, or deleted phone records, because facing the full weight of the alternative is disturbing. It means acknowledging that corruption and coverups can happen in real life, not just in movies. But I think believing in justice doesn’t mean assuming the system always gets it right. In fact, true belief in justice means being willing to question the system when it appears to go off the rails. MOO.

You make great points and I agree with you.
IMO JMO -
1) After arriving 34F at 12:24AM, JO exits the Lexus to walk into 34 Fairview VIA going to the back of the vehicle?
WHAT? WHY?
Then KR reverses and hits him hard enough to send him spinning towards the front of the vehicle at such an angle that he lands near the flagpole. Is this even POSSIBLE?
And, his arm took the brunt of the damage and instead of broken bones and bruising he has the scratches and punctures of a dog attack?
Then, he falls backwards on the lawn resulting in severe trauma to the back of his head rendering him unconscious. OK - Dr Wolf says it’s possible and he was intoxicated. However, the ME admits JO’s injuries are not the norm for a pedestrian collision.
2) But, then a truckload of people arrive 1 minute after the Lexus, yet no one witnesses this feat of physics! Three people are parked behind the Lexus for 5 - 10 minutes and all they see is KR sitting in the drivers seat.
3) JMc is texting JO every 3 to 4 minutes while looking out the window @12:27-12:45 and she doesn’t see JO or a vehicular collision.
4) KR connects to WiFi at 1M at 12:36 and the garage ring camera has her arriving 12:41. So, she was at 34F at 12:24 and pulled into JOs driveway at 12:41. That’s 17 minutes - minus a conservative 6 minutes commute- she was at 34F a total of 11 minutes. The ‘collision’ had to happen between 12:24 and 12:35. And no one saw or heard anything.
5) Furthermore, BH, JMc, MMc, JN and CA all leave 34 Fairview after KR and do not notice an incapacitated JO on the lawn.

Trying my best to think who would believe this preposterous (to me) theory.
A) a first year law student who is trying to argue anything
B) someone with such a hatred for KR, that their common sense meter is out of commission
C) reporter who wants an interesting angle for their coverage of the case
D) criminal, expert or lawsuit recipient who gains if KR is convicted
E) juror whose head is spinning from the tech stream and key cycles ‘data’ (just make it stop!)
F) regular Joe who is just fed up with this ‘trial of a million sidebars’

 

[waldojabba]

Actually, the defense doesn't need to call him. For what purpose? His texts have already been read to this jury and entered into evidence. What is your take on why the CW didn't call him if you think he needs to be seen and heard? Please defend him as I witness as I want to hear it from you.

BBM above I don’t recall in this trial that all of Proctor’s texts to his friends were read. Some texts were read that were sent to LE but I do not recall that ones sent to his friend group were. They can only come into evidence thru Proctor or his friends.
That is why they had the voir dire Fri after court of Proctors friend Jonathan D. Whether they can have the friends testify and enter those texts into evidence or Proctor has to enter them into evidence in court - the judge has not yet ruled. That’s my understanding.
JMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

I thought the blue grease paint test was so impressive. I never expected those results, to align with the areas of lacerations on his whole arm, and I didn't imagine the taillight would be as high as his upper arm. I expect Mr Brennan will present those pictures to the dog bite expert. JMO

I thought it was juvenile. I bet middle school science students could have conducted better experiments than that fool did. They also would know that the Scientific Method begins with an hypothesis. Moo

 

[waldojabba]

My feeling of why she wasn't called in Trial #1 is because JBC disallowed KR to use a third party culprit defense and her testimony would have been used to lay blame at LE's feet. At least that's the logic I see, but in this trial she gave them leeway for that defense. But....I see she's trying to give HB a helping hand by forcing defense to tell what she'll say, or at least what's been discussed.

Mooo

She was on the witness list for this trial from the beginning so all her info was subject to discovery initially I assume? So wondering why a separate motion specific to her?
JMO