MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #32 Retrial

[Tortoise]

BTW your ending statement about ARCCA is woefully out of date. This trial is different, in that ARCCA is now working with the def, not the feds. The def does have every bit of evidence and will have provided ARCCA all of it to consider and analyze its fit (or to figure out how it doesn't) in doing testing, reports, and testimony. The cw was not allowed to withhold anything, so ARCCA has it all.

RSBM

You were referring to their evidence being exculpatory as at the date of the hearing I posted. Which was just before trial 1, and that was what I was also referring to, to demonstrate how they didn't have all the facts then, and the commonwealth's reasons for not accepting their evidence.

 

[mrjitty]

“There is no longer any federal investigation into the investigation of John O’Keefe’s death or any related matters,” he said, noting that he had permission from the US Attorney's office to reveal the news. “It is closed. It is over.”

Federal probe of Karen Read case is over, special prosecutor confirms

Boston woman accused of killing her police officer boyfriend in 2022 and argued she was framed to protect other law enforcement officers

www.independent.co.uk

“The Norfolk County District Attorney’s Office was contacted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office. Let me make crystal clear, they made clear that I could inform the court there is no longer any federal investigation into the investigation of John O’Keefe’s death or any related matters,” Brennan said. “It is closed, it is over.”

Prosecutor in Karen Read case confirms federal investigation is over, asks for gag order for defense

The federal investigation into the Karen Read murder case is over, special prosecutor Hank Brennan announced during a Tuesday pretrial hearing, confirming what 25 Investigates first reported last week.

www.yahoo.com

Just to add a couple of points of corroboration here

We haven't heard anything out of the FBI investigation since 2023. Often when there is a GJ interviewing witnesses, some of them talk or leak.

Also, it would be bizarre to me if DOJ, believing the defendant was framed, allowed Brennan to make that statement, let alone sit on their hard evidence of corruption while the defendant potentially got convicted of murder ...

Personally I believe the Touhy dump was all they found, and when "Hos long" died - the case went with it

IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

I thought today was the best day in this trial so far. I rewatched the entire testimony of Kelly Devers. I have no idea how she could have had a memory of something that she now says couldn’t have happened. I wish they did a deeper dive into where her initial memory came from. I mean, did she go to bed that night and dream it?
That being said, that girl has spunk, toughness and brains. I loved the way she fearlessly went toe-to-toe with AJ. For some reason, I actually respect the way she bobbed and weaved under extreme pressure, whereas I thought Yuri looked like a fool when he tried to do the same thing.

I don't agree with you here. I think the jurors saw right through her false memory act and it may cause some more Canton legal cases to be reopened. If she has a neurological disorder of not being able to recall facts, then she shouldn't be working for BPD now
Devers is nothing more than a pretty little liar. Moo

 

[Tortoise]

- the impact caused the taillight to shatter into 47 pieces

RSBM

In relation to this, I often wonder why posters think the number of pieces is relevant.

If you drop a glass and it shatters, is it only true because of the number of pieces on the floor?

In addition, we have no way of knowing how many pieces it broke into with the original impact. The pieces were not in the same physical state they were in before the light cover was broken, the integrity of the plastic was already compromised. There were many boots on the ground, from the roadway to the ambulance that morning, impacting whatever was lying under the snow. John had people standing all around his body. A snow plow had been along the roadway, as well as cars and ambulances.

MOO

 

[justwannahelp]

It's quite ironic that one of the best ways to consider that KR is likely innocent is to personally research how long it takes to die in the cold.

JMO

I think this every time i google something similar

 

[lohrtabitha]

Best idea for the defense to put Devers on the stand and she sure did deliver.
Another liar and this one really exposed the Blue Wall.
Enter Commissioner Cox.

imo

Imagine if that mouthy cop pulled you over to give you a minor traffic violation. I probably would give her my piece of mind and would be hauled off to jail. I can't stand spoiled rotten, lying eyerollers. She needs some old school discipline and some manners 101 class. moo

 

[Tortoise]

1. Who left the 2 different non-victim male blood samples on the victims shirt?

RSBM

It's not the evidence that the DNA results means it was blood from three people in those stains. Swabbing picks up whatever is on the material, including that stain. John was overwhelmingly the main contributor in every single extraction.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

So, Cellebrite is peripheral to the case and the data lacks integrity? It is central to the case and the data is an extraction from John's phone. This is what I mean about having to disbelieve everything.

In general, I don't think a lot of people have cottoned on that cycle 1162 is undisputed now. It has been since Aperture's data download from the SD card, and DiSogra reported to the defence on very minor discrepancies in the clock drift, according to the commonwealths' experts. They are arguing over whether 3 seconds from ignition to infotainment switching on were overlooked by Aperture.

So we now know Karen reversed at high speed with her foot on the pedal 75 degrees, 19 minutes after leaving Waterfall, 8 minutes after her three-point turn on Cedarcrest. And that John's phone locking event (relevant data from his phone) happened in those same seconds, before according to the commonwealth, after according to the defence. The defence argument is extremely weak, because DiSogra used data to work out clock variances at a time when the Lexus was not powered on, and also the trigger event did not end when the 5-10 second window captured on the SD card ended.

The defence case is now that Karen reversed but John's phone data (not moving again within those same seconds) is just a coincidence.

MOO

The issue is that digital forensics is only as strong as the context and integrity of the data. Cellebrite doesn’t tell you how a phone ended up somewhere. It tells you what the phone did. That matters, but it doesn’t stand on its own.

Cycle 1162 and the Lexus SD card data are not ironclad, no matter how confident you sound. There are known issues with vehicle infotainment systems. The state’s case leans heavily on a high-speed reverse being lined up perfectly with a phone locking event, but thats just a theory. I personally think the defense is approaching cycle 1162 on two fronts. We heard Alessi say that 1162 did not occur in Karen’s possession. He brought up Trooper Paul’s 1164 cycle and counted back. It was objected to and stricken from the record, and a long sidebar followed. If you are upset they have not clearly argued their point to 1162, you should be upset with the CW, who is restricting them from being able to clearly voice their theory.

That being said, not being able to discuss their true theory of 1162 based on Trooper Paul’s sworn testimony that 1164 was his cycle, they are now focusing on the issues they ARE being allowed to bring up - the major discrepancies, lack of calculations, or simply wrong calculations from Aperture.

But most importantly, you’re still ignoring the core problem: none of this data proves where John exited the vehicle, whether he was already injured when he got there, or if he was placed there. If everything aligns perfectly with the state’s theory, if we take every timestamp as gospel, we’re still left with physical evidence and witness behavior that doesn’t add up: the injuries, the 911 call, the missing shoe, the broken tail light not properly photographed or logged for days. It’s not about disbelieving “everything.” It’s about not letting selective interpretations of partial data steamroll over the very real holes in the story.

MOO

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Don't forget:
1. Who left the 2 different non-victim male blood samples on the victims shirt?
2. Why didn't MSP test people at the party regarding #1
2. Where are the multiple phones multiple LEOs at the party disposed of after being told to preserve said evidence?

They should be sleuthfully getting dna by following them around and picking up straws or taking their garbage away. They know who all was in that house, it shouldn’t be hard. It should also be done by the feds, not the state or canton police.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Can you imagine Officer Dever responding to your 911 emergency ? What if your kid is missing… if your partner threatened you…or if you were hit by a drunk driver? Are you confident that she would listen objectively, document carefully and advise you kindly? Would her report be the same if say, the commissioners son or grandson was with your kid,

My answer: Hell to the No! I would love to hear what those who have had runs in with her have to say about her. I can only imagine.

 

[justwannahelp]

As Bederow said on Tragos's show, ARCCA and Aperture may well cancel each other out in the minds of the jury. But who knows - perhaps they will pull it out of the fire.

IMO

Honestly, for me at least, the Lexus black box etc and the accident reconstruction stuff i find too easy to manipulate both physically and verbally, and i don’t think recorded car data is accurate based on Toyota's testimony in another trial

so I’m relying on other evidence. I do consider ARRCA to be more believable due to WHO they are and their experience . It didn’t hurt that the attitude of their witness was very pleasant…
But mostly because they aren’t asking me to believe something common sense tells me is preposterous.

 

[justwannahelp]

They should be sleuthfully getting dna by following them around and picking up straws or taking their garbage away. They know who all was in that house, it shouldn’t be hard. It should also be done by the feds, not the state or canton police.

Yes this has been driving me NUTS. I’d dig in their trash.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Don't forget:
1. Who left the 2 different non-victim male blood samples on the victims shirt?
2. Why didn't MSP test people at the party regarding #1
2. Where are the multiple phones multiple LEOs at the party disposed of after being told to preserve said evidence?

Link to two different blood samples on John’s shirt please.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Honestly, for me at least, the Lexus black box etc and the accident reconstruction stuff i find too easy to manipulate both physically and verbally, and i don’t think recorded car data is accurate based on Toyota's testimony in another trial

so I’m relying on other evidence. I do consider ARRCA to be more believable due to WHO they are and their experience . It didn’t hurt that the attitude of their witness was very pleasant…
But mostly because they aren’t asking me to believe something common sense tells me is preposterous.

Both ARCCA experts didn’t rule out a side swipe/clip
Both ARCCA experts testified Karen’s tap of John’s car didn’t break the taillight

IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

Article dated March 4, 2025

"The federal probe into Karen Read’s murder case has been closed, prosecutors confirmed Tuesday."

“There is no longer any federal investigation into the investigation of John O’Keefe’s death or any related matters,” Special Prosecutor Hank Brennan said, according to a report by CBS News. “It is closed. It is over.”

"Last week, sources told NBC10 Boston that the federal case was over and no charges were mounted against law enforcement."

Fed probe into Karen Read’s murder case is closed without charges: prosecutors

The feds had been investigating circumstances surrounding the 2022 killing of Read’s boyfriend, Boston cop John O’Keefe.

nypost.com

Interesting, IMO, that the investigation was closed not long after the report from Aperture had been submitted, with new data from the Lexus.

It might be labeled as closed but you can bet your big blue button , Big Brother is still watching!

 

[Linda7NJ]

I do not think the investigation is over.
Legally , they have been granted the permissions to lie to the public .
Early 90's ish.
Law enforcement has no obligation out side of hand on bible in court, to tell us the truth.

I thought that was only for interrogating suspects ?

 

[Linda7NJ]

I care about JOK and so do a lot of other people here. I wish that the MASSACHUSETTS STATE POLICE had cared about him and done a better investigation into the truth of what happened and not the half-assed one they did do. Not because he was a cop but because he was a citizen in their jurisdiction.
IMO
I used to think if I could time travel, I’d go back to watch JonBenet’s house and see if there was an intruder climbing in that window. Now I’d go back to 34 Fairview.

IMO there was no intruder in the Ramsey house.

 

[lohrtabitha]

RSBM

Judge Cannone:
"I see now how the federal investigation began and when it began"


Adam Lally:
"what is also clear from the federal grand jury is that this was an investigation which was initiated by the defendant and Mr Yannetti. So to claim that he was in the dark, or didn't know about this federal investigation, every bit of discovery that the federal government has from the state case was provided by Mr Yannetti. Nothing was asked for from the commonwealth, nothing was asked for from the district attorney's office, the state police, so again, what I was intimating before in reference to the motion to dismiss, I have no idea what they have seen or what they haven't seen, how much of the file, how much of the discovery or anything else, it's all sort of been provided and colored by Mr Yannetti. And this goes back to November of 2022, so to then claim that you were sandbagged or didn't know about an investigation that you initiated over a year before, until late in December of 2023, I think disingenuous, I think disingenuous would be about the nicest term that I can come up with for that."

timestamps for above quotes 1.04 mins and 58.28
Motions hearing March 12, 2024

Oh please....The FBI was watching this area and the whole states corruption LE. Time and time again, posters have posted about all the cases involving crooked police officers in Canton and MA. One only has to search the internet for police officer corruption in MA, and they will find a plethora of cases. Moo

 

[justwannahelp]

In the last trial did the defense call the guy who called AJ to tell him to look into the people in the house?

I know he wanted to stay anonymous, but if what he says is true, he needs to come out with it because a man is dead, an innocent woman is being framed/ her life is on the line, and those he believes/knows did it are getting away with crimes - killing OJO being one of them.

 

[themonk]

It’s easy to follow and there’s just NO WAY he’d be anywhere NEAR 80 degrees if he was on that lawn for 5.5 hours even with warming efforts.

RSBM

I will forgive Welcher's corny blue paint transfer skit if he will personally test your thesis.

John, mortally wounded, was kept warm in the house, propped up against a wall, vomit down his front, for hours before being moved to the lawn.

MOO