MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #34 Retrial

[missy1974]

Don’t like her saying animal bite but at least pushes against the claim that it was a vehicle strike

I hope that Brennan asks her questions that opens the door to asking more questions about it for Jackson.

 

[ShadyLady]

And the Judge won't let him read it into the record. ARRRGGGGHHHH!

Of course not, now that defense is up judge will claim time limitations.

Judges have become so political, imo.

 

[missy1974]

I couldn't hear what Jackson said at the end of the judges ruling... they waived the instruction since they can have her say "animal bite" I think...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932435358303793223

 

[missy1974]

If I understand what Dr. Laposata is saying... he died immediately. So where did the blood and vomit come from?

ETA: She is saying immediate unconciousness ... swelling.. then death...

Immediate incapacitated, maybe seizure activity (@AngTxGal I know you mentioned that ) ... and within 10-15 minutes, death.

 

[Angelwatch]

Brennan interrupting Jackson during his oral argument is wild. So disrespectful. I guess he’s decided to forego court decorum since Cannone isn’t going to hold him accountable. IMO.

 

[rescuemom]

If I understand what Dr. Laposata is saying... he died immediately. So where did the blood and vomit come from?

I’m assuming it was before his body was moved

 

[kuromiiiilove]

If I understand what Dr. Laposata is saying... he died immediately. So where did the blood and vomit come from?

She says he would have been immediately unconscious, but not immediately dead. He could have been propped up temporarily, IMO

ETA: she says as the swelling continued to grow, the heart and breathing would be disrupted. She said he could have died within 15-20 minutes after the blow to the back of the head.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932435723321274527

‘The biggest problem with the legal rulings in this case continues to be a lack of consistency and what appears to be no method to the madness. Virtually every contested issue skews to the prosecution's benefit. Lawyers have no clue what to expect and cannot even get explanations much of the time beyond "that is my ruling" and you have a record for appeal. This is why many people perceive judicial bias in the case’

 

[missy1974]

they are showing the jury autopsy photos... the back of the head wound... she is explaining to the jury why she thinks he hit a ridged surface, pointing out it had some granularity to it, pointing out the lines above and below the laceration.

He went back on some object that had a ridge on it, it wasn't smooth, it was grainy things sticking up on it ... she would give that info to LE and they could go back and find what caused it.



My words... like a cement step?


Jackson just asked about inside the garage at the scene. Sustained.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Dr Laposata says that John fell onto or was struck by a granular, ridged object (referring to the wound on the back of his head)

 

[missy1974]

Judge is striking anything mentioned about "inside the home"

 

[missy1974]

She was looking for anything that could cause the wound... she couldn't find anything... (except in the house/garage) but she can't say that.

 

[Spider92]

Judge is striking anything mentioned about "inside the home"

Why would she do that? I don’t get it.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Dr Laposata says that falling backwards onto frozen ground would not have caused Johns head wound. She says he would not have discrete vertical scraping as he does. She also notes the lack of grass/dirt in the wound.

 

[missy1974]

She is talking about hypothermia ... @justwannahelp

 

[missy1974]

JOK's temperature... hypothermia can cause a decrease in body temp, but so can death.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Dr. Laposata has overseen over 100 autopsies and death investigations where the cause of death was hypothermia.

She disagrees with Dr Scordi Bellos interpretation of hypothermia. She says normal body temperature is around 98 and johns temperature was around 80. She says there are two ways the body temperature can drop - while alive or dead. She believes John’s body cooled when he was outside after dying.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Dr. Laposata has overseen over 100 autopsies and death investigations where the cause of death was hypothermia.

She disagrees with Dr Scordi Bellos interpretation of hypothermia. She says normal body temperature is around 98 and johns temperature was around 80. She says there are two ways the body temperature can drop - while alive or dead. She believes John’s body cooled when he was outside after dying.

She notes the lack of small ulcers (wischnewski spots) which are attributed to a hypothermic death.

 

[missy1974]

I really like how she describes things and even without seeing pictures, I can follow. She must be a good teacher!

 

[mrjitty]

Why would she do that? I don’t get it.

It's not within scope. The expert witness cannot speculate about where the victim fell.

If we are keeping score on these things, it's an example of AJ asking improper questions to influence the jury knowing full well they will be struck.