MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #34 Retrial

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Karen Read requested to add Attorney Mark Bederow to her legal team. In a brief ruling, Judge Cannone ruled against allowing Bederow to join the defense-- citing a conflict of interest with no evidence. Given the gag rule in place, I'm grateful that Attorney Bederow opines on the case since others are prohibited from discussing the case.

Attorney Peter Tragos (the Lawyer You Know) appears on MSM Boston 25 (Ted Daniels) every Friday to provide a legal recap of the week's trial proeeding.

Posts from these two attorneys were allowed/approved for the first trial-- if this has changed, please advise. Thank you.


What? She can actually rule against who KR hires for attys??!!
 
What? She can actually rule against who KR hires for attys??!!
she can when it is an out of state attorney I think. Bederow is out of state. Jackson is already pro hac vice.. and isn't Alessi too? I think so. Yanetti is the local lawyer.

I was yesterday years old when I heard that Bederow even tried to join her team 😯 I had no idea lol

"Pro hac vice" is a Latin term meaning "for this occasion" or "for this turn." It refers to a lawyer who is granted temporary permission to practice law in a jurisdiction or court for a specific case, even though they are not formally licensed in that jurisdiction. This allows an out-of-state attorney to appear in court for a particular case without the need for full bar admission.
 
I wonder if the jury has picked up, Brennan hounding Wolfe on not noticing the hole that were not original. but his expert Welcher asserted there were no x-rays to confirm broken bones and there are xrays.
I sure hope so!

Curious what they think about Brennan's different demeanor with witnesses...

so rude and nasty with Russell... today, he got nowhere with Laposata and seemed to almost give up and was pretty mild the whole time.
 
A few years ago, I caught myself falling victim to confirmation bias in the aftermath of the Idaho college student murders. Before the suspect was identified, I became convinced without evidence that the survivors were somehow involved. I wanted to believe it, so I did. My theory was wrong; the real perpetrator turned out to be a stranger.

That experience forced me to reflect on how I’d reached such a flawed conclusion. I realized I’d selectively focused on details that supported my preconceived narrative while dismissing anything that contradicted it.

This made me think of the Karen Read trial and the groupthink surrounding her guilt. Recently, I spoke with someone who insists Karen is guilty, despite the lack of concrete evidence. What stood out was how much her belief seemed rooted in personal dislike as she repeatedly cited Karen’s demeanor in court, her past DUI, and media portrayals as reasons to distrust her. She interpreted her behavior (arrogance, emotional detachment, or combativeness) as proof of guilt, ignoring how trauma and stress can distort a person’s reactions.

There’s also an element of moral licensing at play because Karen has flaws (her DUI, relationship issues, etc.), some people feel justified in assuming the worst. It’s easier to condemn someone who’s already been framed as "unlikable."

Beyond that, this case exposes a deeper bias the just world fallacy where people assume misfortunes only happen to those who "deserve" them. If John O’Keefe died violently, some reason, someone must be to blame otherwise, the world feels too chaotic and unjust.

In many ways, the Karen Read case acts like a Rorschach test. People see what they want to see, projecting their own biases onto the facts (or lack thereof). My experience with the Idaho case taught me how dangerous that mindset can be. Confirmation bias doesn’t just lead to wrong conclusions. it can distort justice itself. IMO
 
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A few years ago, I caught myself falling victim to confirmation in the aftermath of the Idaho college student murders. Before the suspect was identified, I became convinced without evidence that the survivors were somehow involved. I wanted to believe it, so I did. My theory was wrong; the real perpetrator turned out to be a stranger.

That experience forced me to reflect on how I’d reached such a flawed conclusion. I realized I’d selectively focused on details that supported my preconceived narrative while dismissing anything that contradicted it.

This made me think of the Karen Read trial and the groupthink surrounding her guilt. Recently, I spoke with someone who insists Karen is guilty, despite the lack of concrete evidence. What stood out was how much her belief seemed rooted in personal dislike as she repeatedly cited Karen’s demeanor in court, her past DUI, and media portrayals as reasons to distrust her. She interpreted her behavior (arrogance, emotional detachment, or combativeness) as proof of guilt, ignoring how trauma and stress can distort a person’s reactions.

There’s also an element of moral licensing at play because Karen has flaws (her DUI, relationship issues, etc.), some people feel justified in assuming the worst. It’s easier to condemn someone who’s already been framed as "unlikable."

Beyond that, this case exposes a deeper bias the just world fallacy where people assume misfortunes only happen to those who "deserve" them. If John O’Keefe died violently, some reason, someone must be to blame otherwise, the world feels too chaotic and unjust.

In many ways, the Karen Read case acts like a Rorschach test. People see what they want to see, projecting their own biases onto the facts (or lack thereof). My experience with the Idaho case taught me how dangerous that mindset can be. Confirmation bias doesn’t just lead to wrong conclusions. it can distort justice itself. IMO
LOVE this!

I did come back to WS's for this case after the trial started.. I was into it and thinking I didn't believe what the CW was selling very early on, so I thought I would come here to see what everyone was thinking, maybe they could set me straight lol I was shocked at how many thought she didn't do it (not usually the norm lol).

I think we have some on both sides here that are dug in.. it doesn't matter what is shown in court, it doesn't matter what is posted in replies, with or without actual evidence, some people will just never change their minds on this case. It is what it is ;)

I doubt I will ever change my mind at this point.. I think there is reasonable doubt. JMO
 
It wasn't a complicated question yet Brennan had to ask her three times and the judge had to instruct her to listen to the question before she would answer him.

Turns out she finally agreed it was possible for a person to be alive for two hours and have a body temperature of 80 degrees after a total of six hours in sub zero temperatures.

5.35.14
Her reluctance to answer was because it wasn’t a possibility in THIS trial. She already stated he died within a short time period. Brennan’s hypothetical question was irrelevant and misleading and she didn’t want her words misused.
 
Her reluctance to answer was because it wasn’t a possibility in THIS trial. She already stated he died within a short time period. Brennan’s hypothetical question was irrelevant and misleading and she didn’t want her words misused.
She knew what he was doing and had no respect for him as she should not of beyond her answers to legit questions. as any witness. His question was absurd to even a casual observer of watching her testimony while doing something else at the same time. It had NO relevance as she was very clear that JOK or anyone with the injury so severe to his brain would render them not alive very quickly, more than once. Pretty shocking that he would be attempting that waste of questioning on a witness. A fail. IMO
 
LOVE this!

I did come back to WS's for this case after the trial started.. I was into it and thinking I didn't believe what the CW was selling very early on, so I thought I would come here to see what everyone was thinking, maybe they could set me straight lol I was shocked at how many thought she didn't do it (not usually the norm lol).

I think we have some on both sides here that are dug in.. it doesn't matter what is shown in court, it doesn't matter what is posted in replies, with or without actual evidence, some people will just never change their minds on this case. It is what it is ;)

I doubt I will ever change my mind at this point.. I think there is reasonable doubt. JMO
I returned to Ws because of this case too! When I first started following it, I was stunned by how poorly the police and DA handled the investigation. The missteps weren’t just minor errors, they were egregious.

My husband works in cold case homicides in Philly (Police Det), so he’s no stranger to complex investigations. While he’s swamped with his own caseload, we still follow this case together (okay, mostly because of me), and I frequently ask his take on the procedures.

One thing’s clear, Canton PD, the Norfolk DA, and Massachusetts State Police are not representative of all American policing, and thank God for that. If this were the standard, it’d be terrifying. My husband, who routinely butts heads with DAs over evidentiary thresholds, is appalled by how this case was presented. His office demands airtight proof, not conjecture yet here, it seems like the opposite happened. IMO
 
she can when it is an out of state attorney I think. Bederow is out of state. Jackson is already pro hac vice.. and isn't Alessi too? I think so. Yanetti is the local lawyer.

I was yesterday years old when I heard that Bederow even tried to join her team 😯 I had no idea lol

"Pro hac vice" is a Latin term meaning "for this occasion" or "for this turn." It refers to a lawyer who is granted temporary permission to practice law in a jurisdiction or court for a specific case, even though they are not formally licensed in that jurisdiction. This allows an out-of-state attorney to appear in court for a particular case without the need for full bar admission.

Judge Cannone initially appeared to be fine with Karen Read's request to hire Bederow (Pro hac vice under local attorney Yanetti) until Hank Brennan filed a motion opposing Bederow, and the Judge ruled in CW's favor. Just another typical move here to deprive KR of a fair trial. MOO
 
The hypothermia segment was a train wreck 😭😭

i really like Dr laposada and think she did a good job in all areas EXCEPT the hypothermia.

Loved when she said she saw pics of the garage. Loved that she “fought back”

but did she say “Bull-**i*”? 🤭

I was driving and listening and couldn’t tell. But i started laughing my toosh off because she reminds me of my mother-in-law born and raised in Brooklyn. She’s a pistol in a sweet way. Little modest lady who comes across harmless, but super super smart and SLY AS A FOX when she needs to be. She even looks like her.
 
He’s not a prosecutor by profession though. I don’t think he has that true desire for justice. He’s a hired gun that’s essentially acting as the defense counsel of Proctor and the McAlbert’s IMO
BBM

GREAT POINT!!!!!!!!!!!

That is exactly what he’s doing! He’s acting more like a defense atty 1) b/c he IS one usually and 2) there are people other than KR who NEED “defending” and those are the ones he’s defending

But THEY are not on trial, Mr. Brennan!

Do they NEED KR to be convicted? Or will the Alberts and friends not face charges either way?

I was under the impression they weren’t going to be charged no matter what - because they’d have to charge themselves and the FBI case is said to be dropped.
 
He’s not a prosecutor by profession though. I don’t think he has that true desire for justice. He’s a hired gun that’s essentially acting as the defense counsel of Proctor and the McAlbert’s IMO
BBM

GREAT POINT!!!!!!!!!!!

That is exactly what he’s doing! He’s acting more like a defense atty 1) b/c he IS one usually and 2) there are people other than KR who NEED “defending” and those are the ones he’s defending

But THEY are not on trial, Mr. Brennan!

Do they NEED KR to be convicted? Or will the Alberts and friends not face charges either way?

I was under the impression they weren’t going to be charged no matter what the outcome is because they’d have to charge themselves (the FBI case is said to be closed)
 
If/when Brennan goes after her for this garbage, AJ will be able to talk to her about it as well. Anything Brennan says can be refuted by him and it will annoy the jury further.
THIS

If i was a juror i would totally see the bias no matter what opinion i was starting to form, and I wouldn’t like it. It would make me not trust the shady side unless slam dunk evidence presented (a video of KR running over OJO.)

I would be EXHAUSTED and BEYOND annoyed at the time wasted on ATTEMPTING to discredit EVERY. SINGLE. WITNESS. with REALLY ridiculous methods. And I’d be infuriated by him getting stuck on LOOP over dumb stuff. The 9lb arm when THAT’S the standard dummy size. How many times did he badger Dr. Wolfe about that?! It was unprofessional, and I was like we get your point already! And then his snarky comments repeated over and over like “oh you didn’t forget THAT! Unlike the 26% you forgot to add?” & “a dog trainer would be just as qualified, wouldn’t they?” And “oh you don’t like this question, do you?” 🤢

& his voice 😖
 
He can't question her out of her opinion. She knows her own mind. She knows what didn't happen. And she knows what happened to JO's arm. She knows, Brennan. Jmo
I wish Dr Russell would have “held her own” with Brennan a little more. She let him push her around a bit when she could have been more like laposata. I could tell she wanted to be but was afraid of cannone
 
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