MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #34 Retrial

[kuromiiiilove]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1932804098832609445

‘Another day, another credentialed expert dismantling the foundation of the prosecution's case. In addition to a jury understanding the importance of a lack of broken bones and injuries (through x-rays the prosecution misled the jury into believing didn't exist), jurors will understand at least 36 separate abrasions require more than 9 corresponding puncture holes.’

 

[ShadyLady]

Hard to understand how Aperture could have charged $400 plus for garbage.

Hope this company gets exposed.

 

[Angelwatch]

Basically.. Rentschler is saying what most of us thought about the blue paint test.

It was a terrible.

All JMO

It was so bad. $400k and that’s all they came up with. Shameful.

 

[missy1974]

Rentschler, saying this is consistent with the blue paint test, the positioning... the 15mph test that we saw during Wolfe's testimony, noted that there was no damage to the tail light in this test.

 

[nightowl1975]

The defendant herself says it was broken in the 5am hour and she picked pieces out and dropped them on the driveway later in the 5am hour. This damage was later shown on the cruiser video in the 8am hour.

As such it is common cause it was broken - either at 12.32am (CW), or at 5am (KR).

MOO

Yes, there’s no argument that the defense says the tail light was broken around 5am when she backed into JO’s vehicle. I believe the reply you were quoting was talking about the light being completely broken out. There has been great disagreement on when that happened, i.e. it was completely broken out hitting JO or it was further broken out in the sally port.

 

[lohrtabitha]

The defendant herself says it was broken in the 5am hour and she picked pieces out and dropped them on the driveway later in the 5am hour. This damage was later shown on the cruiser video in the 8am hour.

As such it is common cause it was broken - either at 12.32am (CW), or at 5am (KR).

MOO

One crack broken.

 

[nightowl1975]

It was so bad. $400k and that’s all they came up with. Shameful.

To be fair, they had absolutely nothing on their side from a science and math standpoint to work with. That’s the thing about science and math. It doesn’t lie. IMO.

 

[BUF]

So the number of holes in the sweatshirt do not match the number of abrasions to John’s arm.

Also, it was not possible to line up 36 abrasions with the damage to the tail light. There were not 36 points on the tai light that could be aligned to John’s arm wounds.

There is so much hinky going on with JOK’s sweatshirt and the CW imo….

This above, how it was found on the hospital floor then placed on brown paper for some six days after, how it was transported, no evidence log. How Welcher didn’t wear one during his “paint test”, those holes found in the back of the sweatshirt by the defense after Brennan’s cross…..

But most of all…..how this sweatshirt was placed sandwiched between two pieces of plexiglass to show to the jury. Sure seems like the CW is trying to hide something.

 

[KSwizzle]

It was so bad. $400k and that’s all they came up with. Shameful.

It's absolutely wild, did no one say hey this is a huge sum of money maybe we should get a second quote from a competitor

Maybe they put it on a credit card and they can do a charge back ha

 

[mrjitty]

Yes, there’s no argument that the defense says the tail light was broken around 5am when she backed into JO’s vehicle. I believe the reply you were quoting was talking about the light being completely broken out. There has been great disagreement on when that happened, i.e. it was completely broken out hitting JO or it was further broken out in the sally port.

Yes but that is not relevant to my original point. The defendant does need the jury to believe that she originally broke the tail light at 1M, even before you get to the question of whether anyone broke it at the Sally Port.

If they don't believe that, she has a big problem.

Hence my surprise that ARCCA did no testing on that.

IMO

 

[lohrtabitha]

I'm curious, if you were a juror, how you would react to the witness taking the time to wave to and wish his son a "Happy Birthday" while on the stand of a murder trial.

1) Commend him for being a great father?

2) Be disgusted by the fact he's doing so in the middle of a murder trial where the defendant's future is at stake?

I'll go first

#2 for me

Nope. This shows his humanity. Having children is the greatest gift in a person's life. It is a happy day for him and once his testimony help Karen Read, he will be even happier. Imo

 

[missy1974]

Enough to break bones, tear ligaments... knuckles, takes much less force to break hand bones.






the speed of the arm is immediately going to accelerate up to the vehicle speed.

If your arm is struck it is going to spin you around, you have to get struck at the center of mass (belly button) to get projected (if I understood that right)

 

[lohrtabitha]

IMO Dr Rentschler is an excellent witness. As noted above, he explains things very well and is more involved in the science of what happened than that imposter Dr. Welscher ever was.

AMEN!!!

 

[Maat99]

One crack broken.

Thankfully verified by Officer Barros who saw it before it was towed to the sallyport.

 

[Angelwatch]

To be fair, they had absolutely nothing on their side from a science and math standpoint to work with. That’s the thing about science and math. It doesn’t lie. IMO.

A more respectable company would have passed if the evidence disproved everything but the arm lines up. I guess now the world knows that for $400k, Aperture will state whatever you want to a reasonable degree of scientific certainty under oath.

 

[lohrtabitha]

Judge Cannone is in fine form with interrupting and not letting the defense even present a case, and all they're doing right now is talking about Welcher's "report", I hope I never have to hear about judge Cannone ever again after this, extremely poor behavior by a judge moo

Agreed. She will be in our nightmares after this. Lord, help us all!

 

[missy1974]

Rentschler: if John was holding a glass, the force would be applied right on his knuckles.

(no damage to his knuckles)

 

[Angelwatch]

Yes but that is not relevant to my original point. The defendant does need the jury to believe that she originally broke the tail light at 1M, even before you get to the question of whether anyone broke it at the Sally Port.

If they don't believe that, she has a big problem.

Hence my surprise that ARCCA did no testing on that.

IMO

Like Dr Laposata said yesterday, the car didn’t hit him so it doesn’t matter.

 

[missy1974]

much less force to dislocate the elbow than it is to break it.

NO fractures or dislocations in xrays.

 

[Wishbone]

Yes but that is not relevant to my original point. The defendant does need the jury to believe that she originally broke the tail light at 1M, even before you get to the question of whether anyone broke it at the Sally Port.

If they don't believe that, she has a big problem.

Hence my surprise that ARCCA did no testing on that.

IMO

Since it hasn't been proved that JO and the taillight collided and that the lab tech ended up with taillight pieces that weren't a part of the Lexus taillight the jury doesn't need to believe anything other than these facts. Problem solved. JMOO