VERDICT WATCH MA - Professor Karen Read, 43, charged with murdering police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe by hitting him with car, Canton, 14 Apr 2023 #36 Retrial

[browneyes]

It takes 12 people agreeing on a charge to convict. It only takes 1 person disagreeing for a mistrial. It isn't easy to convict someone.

True, but that wasn’t the concern in the post I quoted. IMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Jury coming back.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Jury coming back.

Cannone is instructing on questions.

Q1: You have the evidence. It’s only you who decide the facts. No time given for OUI
Q2: Yes, they are evidence. You should weight the defendants statements as you would any other piece of evidence. Give them whatever weight you deem appropriate. (Gives humane practice instruction.)

 

[thebedbug]

"Confused" is maybe a little harsh. Jury may just be taking care to be certain on their decisions. It's not something to rush through.

 

[cocomod]

there is no question the part about being in the limelight and crowds as if she were some "star" she is sort enjoying that. Would she prefer it never happened? Of course. But at this point she intends to embrace it....she won't have drivers, hotels and restaurants at her disposal when this is over. Will she get some great paid interviews? For sure. She will enjoy the ride if NG.

Would you expect her to ignore people who have been with her for 2 years supporting her? Would you expect her to scowl at them? She is showing her appreciation for the support - which she should. Also, it has been years since John died; she only dated him for 2 years. There are so many people that want to see justice for her, and she feels that.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Cannone is instructing on questions.

Q1: You have the evidence. It’s only you who decide the facts. No time given for OUI
Q2: Yes, they are evidence. You should weight the defendants statements as you would any other piece of evidence. Give them whatever weight you deem appropriate. (Gives humane practice instruction.)

Q3: Judge Cannone has amended the verdict slip to clearly show that they CAN convict on a lesser included without convicting on the main charge. She is going to go over the slip with the jury.

 

[Alcina]

I noticed the Judge did not use the language "if any" when explaining about the Karen videos being evidence. I thought she agreed with the defense but I guess not.

 

[browneyes]

Wouldn’t a simple NO have been easier than the judge’s new instructions?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I noticed the Judge did not use the language "if any" when explaining about the Karen videos being evidence. I thought she agreed with the defense but I guess not.

She noted that they wanted to include it but said she would not include it.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Wouldn’t a simple NO have been easier than the judge’s new instructions?

Definitely… that’s exactly what I was thinking!

 

[pcrum12]

She noted that they wanted to include it but said she would not include it.

I could swear she agreed to it and then did not say it!

 

[Wishbone]

"Confused" is maybe a little harsh. Jury may just be taking care to be certain on their decisions. It's not something to rush through.

After reading the instructions the judge asked the jury if that made it any clearer. Seems they were confused IMO

 

[zucchinibread]

Bev just stepped out but asked everyone to stay.

 

[Alcina]

Bev said to stay and she'd be back in about 5 minutes.

 

[geevee]

Why does she say 'Stop and sign the verdict form' instead of 'check this box and sign the form'???

 

[LittleSeaTree]

Cannone is instructing on questions.

Q1: You have the evidence. It’s only you who decide the facts. No time given for OUI
Q2: Yes, they are evidence. You should weight the defendants statements as you would any other piece of evidence. Give them whatever weight you deem appropriate. (Gives humane practice instruction.)

How are you all feeling about the answer to Q1 that Bev gave? THEY decide? Isn’t there a big difference in which time they go by?! Maybe I’m being paranoid…

 

[geevee]

The verdict forms are so much more complicated and confusing than they ever need to be.

ETA: Just a simple 'Guilty" and "Not Guilty" under each charge would suffice.

 

[Alcina]

Judge back and sidebar

 

[TDoc72]

I don’t find the jury form that confusing after seeing it. Number 5 is its own line and states lesser offense.

I don’t but I could see where someone might.

After reading the instructions the judge asked the jury if that made it any clearer. Seems they were confused IMO

I don’t think she answered their question about #2-5. She should’ve said something like “if you find her guilty of one of these charges, she’s only guilty of the offense you checked” but, ya know, slightly more legal-ish.

 

[TDoc72]

Why does she say 'Stop and sign the verdict form' instead of 'check this box and sign the form'???

Yes, it seems in clearing things up, she made them a little more murky.
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I’d like to think the jury will be right back but someone will probably want lunch.