MA MA - Sandra Crispo, 54, Hanson, 7 Aug 2019 #3

[Curiosity1234]

Let's suppose she willingly left her home that night (Wednesday August 7, 2019) with someone she "thought was trustworthy". The fact that she, her clothing, shoes, purse, license etc. has not been found anywhere says this disappearance was planned IMO.

 

[keek]

Let's suppose she willingly left her home that night (Wednesday August 7, 2019) with someone she "thought was trustworthy". The fact that she, her clothing, shoes, purse, license etc. has not been found anywhere says this disappearance was planned IMO.

Nor any bank account still.

 

[Yemelyan]

Let's suppose she willingly left her home that night (Wednesday August 7, 2019) with someone she "thought was trustworthy". The fact that she, her clothing, shoes, purse, license etc. has not been found anywhere says this disappearance was planned IMO.

I'm not so sure. Planned how far in advance?

If her disappearance is related to interpersonal violence (for example), it's worth noting that people often kill others in a moment of passion or anger and the violence at those times, though destructive, is not always "planned." Sometimes it just arises suddenly, in an ordinary moment, out of strife between two people, and results in horrible consequences. I'm not trying to say that the aggressors shouldn't be held fully accountable, however.

I would say that the fact that she, along with all of her effects, have never been found could point to a thorough cover up after the fact just as much as "planning" prior to the disappearance.

 

[BostonTimes]

Let's suppose she willingly left her home that night (Wednesday August 7, 2019) with someone she "thought was trustworthy". The fact that she, her clothing, shoes, purse, license etc. has not been found anywhere says this disappearance was planned IMO.

I'm not sure her license was gone as one of the pictures of her is her current license.

 

[BostonTimes]

I'm not so sure. Planned how far in advance?

If her disappearance is related to interpersonal violence (for example), it's worth noting that people often kill others in a moment of passion or anger and the violence at those times, though destructive, is not always "planned." Sometimes it just arises suddenly, in an ordinary moment, out of strife between two people, and results in horrible consequences. I'm not trying to say that the aggressors shouldn't be held fully accountable, however.

I would say that the fact that she, along with all of her effects, have never been found could point to a thorough cover up after the fact just as much as "planning" prior to the disappearance.

@ yelmalyn. In your opinion both disappearance and cover up were well planned out.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I'm not sure her license was gone as one of the pictures of her is her current license.

I would guess LE got that photo directly from the RMV. My understanding is that her purse wasn't left behind and that's probably where the license was/is.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I'm not sure her license was gone as one of the pictures of her is her current license.

We don't know where the license came from. LE could have gotten a duplicate from the registry.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I'm not so sure. Planned how far in advance?

If her disappearance is related to interpersonal violence (for example), it's worth noting that people often kill others in a moment of passion or anger and the violence at those times, though destructive, is not always "planned." Sometimes it just arises suddenly, in an ordinary moment, out of strife between two people, and results in horrible consequences. I'm not trying to say that the aggressors shouldn't be held fully accountable, however.

I would say that the fact that she, along with all of her effects, have never been found could point to a thorough cover up after the fact just as much as "planning" prior to the disappearance.

How far in advance doesn't matter right now. It could have been someone with long or short term disgruntled feelings. It usually takes planning to hide a body and belongings so well that they aren't found ever which might be the case here. A spur of the moment accidental death and cover up usually leads to mistakes which points to evidence. It takes evidence to charge someone. Lack of evidence does not mean a crime has not been committed.

 

[BostonTimes]

How far in advance doesn't matter right now. It could have been someone with long or short term disgruntled feelings. It usually takes planning to hide a body and belongings so well that they aren't found ever which might be the case here. A spur of the moment accidental death and cover up usually leads to mistakes which points to evidence. It takes evidence to charge someone. Lack of evidence does not mean a crime has not been committed.

The morphew case. Barry morpbew is charged with murder if his wife without her body based on discovery from GPS and a pen that records. I wonder how much Hanson pd researched!

 

[HarmonyE.]

It takes evidence to charge someone. Lack of evidence does not mean a crime has not been committed.

True, but it sounds as though the lack of evidence of a crime has resulted in a lack of further investigation into the possibility that a crime was committed. (Although I think we can safely conclude that whatever LE took out of the house in September of 2019 didn't support the family's suspicion that something violent happened in the house. At least not to LE's satisfaction.)

Assuming Sandra made it back into her home after she was dropped off, there are only a few possibilities.

1) Sandra decided to leave on her own and walked away at some point. No one reported seeing her walking, and the area has limited walkability with a lot of nearby homes. Still, some harm could have happened to her on her journey out of the neighborhood. Self-inflicted or otherwise.

2) She walked away on her own, but managed somehow to get a ride somewhere or to the T station or to a bus and has relocated to some other place.

3) Someone stopped by with the intention of taking her and possibly harming her and she was taken out of her house against her will, conscious or unconscious.

4) Someone stopped by with the intention of just visiting with her, and they decided to go somewhere and something went wrong.

Finally, no one saw her enter her house after her Cumberland Farms visit. She was wearing the same clothing and had the same shoes and purse with her, so the possibility remains that she never made it back inside her house that afternoon.

Factors that have to be kept in mind. She had no vehicle. There were no phone calls arranging any visits to or from 47 Spoffard (aside from the allegedly unfinished plans with her cousin.) Neighbors saw and heard nothing, even though at least four homes were in closer than shouting distance.

She took nothing but her purse with her. Left her dog with no food or water in the event she was planning a long-ish visit somewhere.

If she is no longer alive, where is her body? As you point out, unless this was a truly planned abduction/murder, it can be hard to hide a body in the event of an accidental or unplanned event. But not impossible, especially depending upon the circumstances.

I just don't think we know enough about Sandra's life to fully handicap the odds of what happened to her. I think it is safe to say that Sandra had some mental health issues, although we cannot say what they might be. I would like to know if she ever had issues with drugs or alcohol in the past. Even if her daughter is fully confident that she was not using at the time of her disappearance, old demons do have a way of popping back up.

 

[BostonTimes]

True, but it sounds as though the lack of evidence of a crime has resulted in a lack of further investigation into the possibility that a crime was committed. (Although I think we can safely conclude that whatever LE took out of the house in September of 2019 didn't support the family's suspicion that something violent happened in the house. At least not to LE's satisfaction.)

Assuming Sandra made it back into her home after she was dropped off, there are only a few possibilities.

1) Sandra decided to leave on her own and walked away at some point. No one reported seeing her walking, and the area has limited walkability with a lot of nearby homes. Still, some harm could have happened to her on her journey out of the neighborhood. Self-inflicted or otherwise.

2) She walked away on her own, but managed somehow to get a ride somewhere or to the T station or to a bus and has relocated to some other place.

3) Someone stopped by with the intention of taking her and possibly harming her and she was taken out of her house against her will, conscious or unconscious.

4) Someone stopped by with the intention of just visiting with her, and they decided to go somewhere and something went wrong.

Finally, no one saw her enter her house after her Cumberland Farms visit. She was wearing the same clothing and had the same shoes and purse with her, so the possibility remains that she never made it back inside her house that afternoon.

Factors that have to be kept in mind. She had no vehicle. There were no phone calls arranging any visits to or from 47 Spoffard (aside from the allegedly unfinished plans with her cousin.) Neighbors saw and heard nothing, even though at least four homes were in closer than shouting distance.

She took nothing but her purse with her. Left her dog with no food or water in the event she was planning a long-ish visit somewhere.

If she is no longer alive, where is her body? As you point out, unless this was a truly planned abduction/murder, it can be hard to hide a body in the event of an accidental or unplanned event. But not impossible, especially depending upon the circumstances.

I just don't think we know enough about Sandra's life to fully handicap the odds of what happened to her. I think it is safe to say that Sandra had some mental health issues, although we cannot say what they might be. I would like to know if she ever had issues with drugs or alcohol in the past. Even if her daughter is fully confident that she was not using at the time of her disappearance, old demons do have a way of popping back up.

I follow the suzanne morphew case and the police took the husbands truck immediately and also didn't allow him back in his house until they were done searching his house. This is how they found the pen that recorded and found morphew listening to podcasts on a murder of a person on a bike ride and also a cap from a tranquilizer syringe was found in the dryer. They also were able to follow his phone which also indicated right down to when he opened his truck door, when he backed up to his location etc etc. Co!orado must have different laws. Seems mass protects potential criminals. They didn't have a crime scene either. No blood anywhere.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I follow the suzanne morphew case and the police took the husbands truck immediately and also didn't allow him back in his house until they were done searching his house. This is how they found the pen that recorded and found morphew listening to podcasts on a murder of a person on a bike ride and also a cap from a tranquilizer syringe was found in the dryer. They also were able to follow his phone which also indicated right down to when he opened his truck door, when he backed up to his location etc etc. Co!orado must have different laws. Seems mass protects potential criminals. They didn't have a crime scene either. No blood anywhere.

I don't think it's necessarily the state. In the Colorado case, a tranquillizer cap or dart was found in the house after the wife's disappearance, which seems to have been sufficient evidence for LE to conclude a crime may have been committed. And, of course, the husband or boyfriend is always the first suspect on the list. In Sandra's case, it appears LE found nothing amiss in the house. And she had no husband, and according to her family, no boyfriend (or girlfriend) for them to question.

 

[Curiosity1234]

There's a few things I would like to know such as: How long after the SIL reported SC missing on the afternoon of Friday August 9, 2019 did LE first enter the Hanson home to investigate ? When LE got there were the bed slats and mattress still out of original position or did someone fix them and just describe what they looked like: a description and actually seeing first hand what it looked like might have given LE a different perspective. Bed slats and mattress out of position but no mention of box spring. Do beds now just have wooden slats and a mattress ?

 

[BostonTimes]

You touched upon important points. The home was never closed off as a crime scene.
Regarding the morphew case LE took the husbands truck and had him leave the home until done searching which was a while. Not sure exactly how long but can find that info.
They then found the cap of the tranquilizer. I wonder why LE didn't do that in Sanders case? They still make beds with slats and the traditional Metal bed frame. Even though no answer at Sandra's house all Thursday we don't know if someone was still in her house imo.

 

[BostonTimes]

I don't think it's necessarily the state. In the Colorado case, a tranquillizer cap or dart was found in the house after the wife's disappearance, which seems to have been sufficient evidence for LE to conclude a crime may have been committed. And, of course, the husband or boyfriend is always the first suspect on the list. In Sandra's case, it appears LE found nothing amiss in the house. And she had no husband, and according to her family, no boyfriend (or girlfriend) for them to question.

They found the cap of the tranquilizer AFTER the had the husband leave. Both the truck and house were seized from the husband. In the house then found the cap in the dryer and the pen that was suzannes s in the truck. The pen was a recording pen which Suzanne got because she didn't trust the husband. LE then built a case.

 

[HarmonyE.]

If someone altered the alleged condition of the bed after it was observed by Sandra's daughter, that person needs to be high on the suspect list. Why would someone do that, knowing the sole occupant of the home was missing? Assuming it wasn't altered, the condition of the bed did not raise red flags for LE.

I'm not sure when LE got involved, but it was sometime that day when the SIL walked into the station to report. Presumably after work, unless he decided to leave early at the daughter's request. It's my understanding no one actually called the police prior to this.

 

[Yemelyan]

There's a few things I would like to know such as: How long after the SIL reported SC missing on the afternoon of Friday August 9, 2019 did LE first enter the Hanson home to investigate ? When LE got there were the bed slats and mattress still out of original position or did someone fix them and just describe what they looked like: a description and actually seeing first hand what it looked like might have given LE a different perspective. Bed slats and mattress out of position but no mention of box spring. Do beds now just have wooden slats and a mattress ?

My memory of LM's timeline of events in the podcast The Vanished is that 1. she had her husband make a report in the afternoon because she couldn't leave work; 2. In the meantime, her new supervisor told her to go ahead and leave 3. by the time she got there, the police were already there and canvassing. But I would have to go back and listen to the podcast again to confirm.

 

[BostonTimes]

If someone altered the alleged condition of the bed after it was observed by Sandra's daughter, that person needs to be high on the suspect list. Why would someone do that, knowing the sole occupant of the home was missing? Assuming it wasn't altered, the condition of the bed did not raise red flags for LE.

I'm not sure when LE got involved, but it was sometime that day when the SIL walked into the station to report. Presumably after work, unless he decided to leave early at the daughter's request. It's my understanding no one actually called the police prior to this.

Wouldn't you have to look under the bed to see if the costs were off? The daughter details a lot of points but doesn't state she looked under the bed and saw the bed slats were off. The daughter LM said she reads these on web sleigh so it would be great if she would weigh in and help us understand.

 

[Curiosity1234]

If someone altered the alleged condition of the bed after it was observed by Sandra's daughter, that person needs to be high on the suspect list. Why would someone do that, knowing the sole occupant of the home was missing? Assuming it wasn't altered, the condition of the bed did not raise red flags for LE.

I'm not sure when LE got involved, but it was sometime that day when the SIL walked into the station to report. Presumably after work, unless he decided to leave early at the daughter's request. It's my understanding no one actually called the police prior to this.

I am not saying someone fixed the out of place bed slats and mattress; it was never clear to me if LE saw the out of place slats and mattress. Also no mention of a box spring which seemed unusual to me.

 

[HarmonyE.]

I am not saying someone fixed the out of place bed slats and mattress; it was never clear to me if LE saw the out of place slats and mattress. Also no mention of a box spring which seemed unusual to me.

Most beds with slats do have a box spring, but I'm not really sure if all do. While we don't know if Sandra bought a new bed when she moved, here is a photo of a bedroom apparently in use in the Quincy house with an old school looking bed. Looks like a dog bed in there as well. Link that follows contains more photos of the house Sandra shared with her father before his death a year and a half earlier. 257 Winthrop St, Quincy, MA 02169 - 3 beds/2 baths