MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #3

[Mskin]

I agree with you. Also LE has never confirmed sexual assault, it's only been hinted at in media that she was sexually assaulted.....same with cause of death, no confirmation of strangulation by LE but reports of it as the cause in media.

I think it's possible that there were signs of sexual assault....ie no clothes....perhaps bruising in private areas....but there might be no evidence of semen. It's possible you could have violated her with an object.

My other thought, as I have had a weird feeling about the crime scene from the beginning, is that it always felt "staged" to me.

I still think it's someone she knew or at least knew her, got close to her by being at least visually familiar, but wanted the crime scene to look like a stranger rape and murder case. I think it's possible it could have been staged to look like a sexual crime regardless if it was.

Curious why you suppose it was staged? I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing. I have come to believe that photos or videos of the scene tell us almost nothing, in that LE surely must have systematically ripped it apart while investigating. I'm sure it looks nothing like it did when they found it... Any coals were collected, branches moved, many things no longer in the original position. Even chairs in the trees could have been scraped, or even removed and talken to lab altogether.

We just know so little.


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[Rocky1]

The more I think about this case, the more I am settling on my hypothesis that this wAs a neighbor, a watcher. He knew her clockwork routine for that Sunday jog before she head back home to NYC. This was well planned, lay in wait. This will be a special circumstances prosecution. She knew him, probably only from a distance, or incidentally. But he knew her every move.
Again, it's my guess he is very close to that family home, and because of the fire element, youngish. Late teens, very early 20's. Still living at home.
All just speculation, of course.

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That was my thought right from the beginning too .a watcher that knew her routine,and lives close by. That was why I was thinking he may have been on a bike to get away. Driving a car to the scene, while living so close , then parking it on the side of the road for people to remember, or for that matter raising awareness for VM as she jogged/walked by. didn't make sense to me if it was that well planned out. a quick exit through the woods to his home would have been safe for him, but I would have though that the Police would have tracked him with the Dogs. His scent was still fresh when the Dogs showed up, as was hers.
As with you, all speculation.

 

[Rocky1]

In her Twitter feed she mentioned that she was running the race in Falmouth on the 17th. Apparently she was in town to train for that run? I wonder if she was running it every day.
Forgive me I don't have the timeline straight. It would seem that someone could have been noticing her running that road previously.

[video=twitter;489095388574400512]https://twitter.com/vtmarcotte/status/489095388574400512[/video]


But according to the schedule Race Day was to be the 21st
http://www.falmouthroadrace.com/schedule

I am not clear if that was a 10K or a 5K and the timing of her arrival, etc. But it seems she must have been running her route daily.

MOO


ETA: OOPS I read the wrong tweet, SORRY. That was 2014.
I have no doubt though that she was planning to run the 2016.

When I read that post on her Twitter, I thought it was for this year too, until I took a closer look.
The Falmouth Road Race takes place around the same time every year. I didn't see any posts of hers, trying to get sponsers etc for this year, and it was to take place only a few weeks away.
VM was diagnosed with Crohns in late 2015, according to a friend, and this past year had slowed her down, so maybe she had planned to wait this year out?

 

[Inthedetails]

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That was my thought right from the beginning too .a watcher that knew her routine,and lives close by. That was why I was thinking he may have been on a bike to get away. Driving a car to the scene, while living so close , then parking it on the side of the road for people to remember, or for that matter raising awareness for VM as she jogged/walked by. didn't make sense to me if it was that well planned out. a quick exit through the woods to his home would have been safe for him, but I would have though that the Police would have tracked him with the Dogs. His scent was still fresh when the Dogs showed up, as was hers.
As with you, all speculation.

At first, I did not think it was someone watching her. But, as time goes on, I'm leaning more toward that theory as well. Somebody perhaps was waiting that Sunday afternoon for her to jog by. If she didn't show up, he'd wait again next week. So, that means local.

 

[Rocky1]

At first, I did not think it was someone watching her. But, as time goes on, I'm leaning more toward that theory as well. Somebody perhaps was waiting that Sunday afternoon for her to jog by. If she didn't show up, he'd wait again next week. So, that means local.

I know I am thinking in circles here, but, If he is local. I wonder why LE is asking people if they saw a car in that area? Unless they are grasping at straws because they have nothing to go on.

 

[Aleph]

I am starting to think he was trying to set the whole forest on fire and he left before seeing that it was going to peter out. Which (if true) points to an immature, impulsive and disorganized perpetrator. So, yes, probably someone young. I don't know about living nearby because presumably he wouldn't want his own house caught in the blaze.


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[Inthedetails]

I am starting to think he was trying to set the whole forest on fire and he left before seeing that it was going to peter out. Which (if true) points to an immature, impulsive and disorganized perpetrator. So, yes, probably someone young. I don't know about living nearby because presumably he wouldn't want his own house caught in the blaze.


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I'm not so sure he wanted a big fire.

We are told she was "burned" and we see some indication in the photos that the burns were from fire. But, the burns seem to be very controlled and in specific places. I think the fire was used for control, torture, fetish.

jmopinion with what we know now.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm not so sure he wanted a big fire.

We are told she was "burned" and we see some indication in the photos that the burns were from fire. But, the burns seem to be very controlled and in specific places. I think the fire was used for control, torture, fetish.

jmopinion with what we know now.

Quoting myself, and undermining my own opinion!

Perhaps this has been mentioned before, but a Manchester, CT man was recently convicted of rape and murder. He burned the victim's face, hands, feet, and groin. In that case, it was speculated he set fire to cover evidence.

Obviously he is not the perp who killed Vanessa as he is in jail. But, perhaps someone local heard about the case and was "inspired" to use fire as well.

I was thinking the burns were for torture/fetish, but maybe they were an attempt to cover evidence afterall.

I don't know. Just thought I'd mention the other recent case as it might be something the perp was aware of. Here's a link: http://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-manchester-arson-murder-guilty-0601-20160531-story.html

jmopinion, subject to change.

 

[OldSteve]

I know I am thinking in circles here, but, If he is local. I wonder why LE is asking people if they saw a car in that area? Unless they are grasping at straws because they have nothing to go on.

Wonder if LE has found signs of her being struck by a vehicle... that's the method I've seen used the most in attacking someone jogging or bicycling... could still be a local...

 

[ThinkHard]

Curious why you suppose it was staged? I'm neither agreeing or disagreeing. I have come to believe that photos or videos of the scene tell us almost nothing, in that LE surely must have systematically ripped it apart while investigating. I'm sure it looks nothing like it did when they found it... Any coals were collected, branches moved, many things no longer in the original position. Even chairs in the trees could have been scraped, or even removed and talken to lab altogether.

We just know so little.


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It's not because of the way the crime scene looked that makes me think that. It's a combination of being a local, a hunch, and just the way there was no real attempt to conceal the body and no confirmation on cause of death or sexual assault....it just makes me think maybe things first appeared a certain way...but yet didn't quite add up.

 

[OldSteve]

I am starting to think he was trying to set the whole forest on fire and he left before seeing that it was going to peter out. Which (if true) points to an immature, impulsive and disorganized perpetrator. So, yes, probably someone young. I don't know about living nearby because presumably he wouldn't want his own house caught in the blaze.
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Hadn't thought of that.... often see a house set afire to hide crime, so setting forest fire makes sense..... but like you said, perp didn't know what he was doing and it didn't work...

 

[Dollcat]

When I read that post on her Twitter, I thought it was for this year too, until I took a closer look.
The Falmouth Road Race takes place around the same time every year. I didn't see any posts of hers, trying to get sponsers etc for this year, and it was to take place only a few weeks away.
VM was diagnosed with Crohns in late 2015, according to a friend, and this past year had slowed her down, so maybe she had planned to wait this year out?

Did VM have Crohn's also? I recall Karina Vetrano had it. Weird if they both have it-wonder if they both belonged to some health help group??

 

[ThinkHard]

Did VM have Crohn's also? I recall Karina Vetrano had it. Weird if they both have it-wonder if they both belonged to some health help group??

I think your confusing the two cases. VM did have crohns. But following the two cases I've seen zero discussion of KV having crohns.

 

[ThinkHard]

Btw it had been incredibly dry. If someone was trying to set the woods on fire they likelihood they would have been far more successful is incredibley high.

I think it's almost impossible that his goal would have been to set the woods on fire.

 

[Razz]

I know I am thinking in circles here, but, If he is local. I wonder why LE is asking people if they saw a car in that area? Unless they are grasping at straws because they have nothing to go on.

I can't help but think LE is trying to throw people, (neighbors, the perp(s), sluethers) off the trail.

I believe they know who it is.

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[ThinkHard]

I can't help but think LE is trying to throw people, (neighbors, the perp(s), sluethers) off the trail.

I believe they know who it is.

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I agree the Silence feels more like they are protecting the investigation more so then they have nothing.

 

[Paulclapper]

I thought the same thing, but I wonder if we give too much credit to police. Reading about the Elizabeth Smart obduction, for a month she was living in the woods behind her house and was never found. Blows my mind. I still think it was a neighbor who walked through the woods and picked that spot because he could see a good distance either way and the path. No chance of anyone seeing anything. Their are houses pretty close to that spot. I bet he new what the drove, maybe even their schedules and new they were not home ( I'm assuming they were not home). I bet he had a gun, but it was for show, shooting it would be too much risk. He got her down the path to rape her and she decided to fight back and he killed her. Set the fire to try to conceal her identity, but more importantly to eliminate his.

 

[Paulclapper]

I disagree, if they had any evidence you would think they could get a warrant to test DNA. I think at this point our guess is about as good as theirs

 

[ThinkHard]

I disagree, if they had any evidence you would think they could get a warrant to test DNA. I think at this point our guess is about as good as theirs

Even if they have a warrant to test DNA and prove DNA of there is on her, it only proves contact not a crime and is not enough evidence for an arrest.

 

[Camerabug]

I know I am thinking in circles here, but, If he is local. I wonder why LE is asking people if they saw a car in that area? Unless they are grasping at straws because they have nothing to go on.

There was a witness who said he/she saw VM walking on BSR and a car go by and turn around .. Maybe they followed that to a dead end. The link to the article in MSM I have is now a dead link unfortunately...