MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #3

[FindHG]

One month after killing of jogger Vanessa Marcotte, more than 1,000 tips have poured in
By Fox 25 Boston
9 8 16

"A former FBI profiler told FOX25 that the wait for answers from investigators is not unusual.

"What they are trying to do, particularly at this stage, is not give away information that the suspect can get ahold of," said Mary Ellen O'Toole."



http://www.wcvb.com/news/1-month-later-who-killed-vanessa-marcotte/41562814


https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...murder-case/btaMFAE6Jhytctju3pzvOL/story.html

http://www.telegram.com/news/20160907/month-after-runner-slain-princeton-waits-for-answers

By Melissa Hanson masslive.com
updated September 08, 2016 at 9:57 AM

By Charlene Arsenault, Patch - 9 7 16 5:36 pm

 

[OldSteve]

So amazing - in a small town, 1000 tip come in; whereas in the big town where Karina Vetrano was killed only a 100 or so!

 

[FindHG]

Way out there grim speculation, sorry.

The cart road, where Vanessa was found, the way the perp could have grabbed her, it seems like it could have been set up like a trap of some sort, like the perp wrangled her somehow, or tripped her, before he dragged her away from the road.

http://www.thelandmark.com/news/2016-09-08/Princeton_News/Still_no_answers_in_Marcotte_murder.html

 

[Rocky1]

It doesn't make sense to me that if the State Police know who it is, and have so much evidence, that they would call in the FBI to assist on the 19th when the crime happened on the 7th. That should have given them enough time to process any evidence they may have had. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think they have much to go on yet.

 

[ThinkHard]

So amazing - in a small town, 1000 tip come in; whereas in the big town where Karina Vetrano was killed only a 100 or so!

Princeton might only be 3.5k.....but it's part of the wachusett district which includes 4 other towns....and in many ways (including sharing a school system, and newspaper (landmark)) operate in many ways like one big "small" town.

Btw all five towns the population is closer to 40k combined all together.

Granted that is still much smaller then the vast population of NYC. But as "neighborhoody" as NYC can feel like, people are also greatly disconnected as well. Where as in this area everyone in the Wachusett district feels a personal connection and a personal violation of the safe little hamlets in regards to this crime. And i think that sense of community is a large part of why you see so many tips.

 

[ThinkHard]

It doesn't make sense to me that if the State Police know who it is, and have so much evidence, that they would call in the FBI to assist on the 19th when the crime happened on the 7th. That should have given them enough time to process any evidence they may have had. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think they have much to go on yet.

We have no idea what role the FBI served when they brought them in on the case. It could be to assist in ways that exceeded the technology capabilities of the state and local police. There could be certain lines of inquiry in which the FBI database could prove helpful, or there could be suspicion of the perp crossing state lines...etc. I don't think calling in the FBI means they have nothing, I think they were just used to help collect, sort, and analyze further data.

As far as we know, it's not clear if the FBI is still working the case, but it doesn't appear they are. I think they were just utilize to help in areas of expertise that like I said exceeded the capacity of local LE.

 

[OldSteve]

Thanks for the local info, was not aware - also I think you hit the nail on the head -

Respectfully snipped:

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Granted that is still much smaller then the vast population of NYC. But as "neighborhoody" as NYC can feel like, people are also greatly disconnected as well. Where as in this area everyone in the Wachusett district feels a personal connection and a personal violation of the safe little hamlets in regards to this crime. And i think that sense of community is a large part of why you see so many tips.

 

[Rocky1]

We have no idea what role the FBI served when they brought them in on the case. It could be to assist in ways that exceeded the technology capabilities of the state and local police. There could be certain lines of inquiry in which the FBI database could prove helpful, or there could be suspicion of the perp crossing state lines...etc. I don't think calling in the FBI means they have nothing, I think they were just used to help collect, sort, and analyze further data.

As far as we know, it's not clear if the FBI is still working the case, but it doesn't appear they are. I think they were just utilize to help in areas of expertise that like I said exceeded the capacity of local LE.

What makes you say "it doesn't appear the FBI is still working on the case?"

 

[ThinkHard]

What makes you say "it doesn't appear the FBI is still working on the case?"

They aren't actively around and Early is clearly still taking the lead on this case.

 

[Rocky1]

They aren't actively around and Early is clearly still taking the lead on this case.

Once they gather the evidence, they wouldn't have to be "actively around", and clearly Early would remain as the lead because state and local LE does not step aside when the FBI becomes involved. They pool together.

 

[ThinkHard]

Once they gather the evidence, they wouldn't have to be "actively around", and clearly Early would remain as the lead because state and local LE does not step aside when the FBI becomes involved. They pool together.

Perhaps or perhaps they came in to assist with parts of the investigation and are no longer actively on the case. We haven't heard one way or another, so we simply don't know. We don't know why they were brought in and we don't know if they are still active.

So their involvement one way or another, in my mind, has no indication on how much LE knows or doesn't know about the case.

 

[Rocky1]

Perhaps or perhaps they came in to assist with parts of the investigation and are no longer actively on the case. We haven't heard one way or another, so we simply don't know. We don't know why they were brought in and we don't know if they are still active.

So their involvement one way or another, in my mind, has no indication on how much LE knows or doesn't know about the case.

Once the FBI becomes involved, they are involved until there is an arrest, or until the statue of limitations has run it's course. There is no SOL in this case.

 

[ThinkHard]

Once the FBI becomes involved, they are involved until there is an arrest, or until the statue of limitations has run it's course. There is no SOL in this case.

Again. That is not the point I was making at all. The only point is that to me whatever the involvement may or may not be of the FBI. I do think it tells us local LE had nothing up until that point or has nothing presently.

 

[Rocky1]

Maybe but mnt barn is closed at that time on a Sunday. So it would actually be weird to see a vehicle there.

For no other reason than to keep the facts straight. I called the Mountain Barn, to see if they were open on Sunday Aug 7th, and they were.
Their hours don't change depending on what time of the year it is.
Sunday 12.00 pm - 9.00 pm
Someone made an earlier post stating that it is possible the perp parked his car there, and it blended in. I guess that would be possible.

http://www.mountainbarn.com/

 

[Crimeblocker]

Perhaps or perhaps they came in to assist with parts of the investigation and are no longer actively on the case. We haven't heard one way or another, so we simply don't know. We don't know why they were brought in and we don't know if they are still active.

So their involvement one way or another, in my mind, has no indication on how much LE knows or doesn't know about the case.

True,The FBI can be brought in for several reasons, one is abduction, which it points to because of the distance to road { unwillingly forced}, the other is burning, If there are similarities to other cases or possible serial killer signature ( certain gangs noted for this-burning victims ) Primarily crimes which cross State Lines taking it from State to Federal. ( which could include drugs ( not her, the killer ) gang activity -national branches, kidnapping and transit mobile serial killer to name just a few.

 

[Rocky1]

True,The FBI can be brought in for several reasons, one is abduction, which it points to because of the distance to road { unwillingly forced}, the other is burning, If there are similarities to other cases or possible serial killer signature ( certain gangs noted for this-burning victims ) Primarily crimes which cross State Lines taking it from State to Federal. ( which could include drugs ( not her, the killer ) gang activity -national branches, kidnapping and transit mobile serial killer to name just a few.

Good post. Let's break this down.
The federal jurisdiction as to the FBI getting involved in abduction cases are limited to child abduction cases. There are a few exceptions, like persons of foreign countries that are here under protection etc, but none apply here.
The FBI will also get involved in a case where it is believed that a serial killer is involved, regardless if it is interstate or intrastate. In fact 72% of serial killers never kill outside of one state. Most as mentioned by someone earlier operate in their comfort zone. The remainder of serial killers that operate interstate have moved for a job or some other reason.
Here's some stats. We know it has been reported that VM was sexually assaulted,and strangled in the media only, Nothing from police. If we are to believe this, and believe that this is a serial killer.....
In 81.5% of serial killers, the motive for murder is sex.
In 50.4% the victim is between 14-29 years old.
34.2% of victims are found within the first 24 hours.
42.5% the primary cause of death is strangulation

 

[ThinkHard]

Good post. Let's break this down.
The federal jurisdiction as to the FBI getting involved in abduction cases are limited to child abduction cases. There are a few exceptions, like persons of foreign countries that are here under protection etc, but none apply here.
The FBI will also get involved in a case where it is believed that a serial killer is involved, regardless if it is interstate or intrastate. In fact 72% of serial killers never kill outside of one state. Most as mentioned by someone earlier operate in their comfort zone. The remainder of serial killers that operate interstate have moved for a job or some other reason.
Here's some stats. We know it has been reported that VM was sexually assaulted,and strangled in the media only, Nothing from police. If we are to believe this, and believe that this is a serial killer.....
In 81.5% of serial killers, the motive for murder is sex.
In 50.4% the victim is between 14-29 years old.
34.2% of victims are found within the first 24 hours.
42.5% the primary cause of death is strangulation

I don't believe it's a serial killer nor do I believe any evidence indicates it's a serial killer. Period. All you did was find and quote statistics that fit this case, not that have is a picture of serial killer behavior overall. I don't see how that helps us here?

If 42% are killed by strangulation that means over half are not. If half the victims are in VM's age range of 14-29, it also means half aren't. If 34% are found in the first 24 hours that means 66% take much longer?.......

I just don't see how those stats tell us anything.

 

[Paulclapper]

I suspect the killer is will be serial killer, and this is his first kill. I have searched Google and it does not seem like their are any other missing women or unsolved murders in Central Mass within the last 15 years or so that are similar to this case. Although, the killer could be new to the area or have a lifestyle where he travels and may have killed other players.

 

[Rocky1]

I don't believe it's a serial killer nor do I believe any evidence indicates it's a serial killer. Period. All you did was find and quote statistics that fit this case, not that have is a picture of serial killer behavior overall. I don't see how that helps us here?

If 42% are killed by strangulation that means over half are not. If half the victims are in VM's age range of 14-29, it also means half aren't. If 34% are found in the first 24 hours that means 66% take much longer?.......

I just don't see how those stats tell us anything.

Do you have any evidence that shows this isn't a serial killer ? If you read my post, I was using serial killer as a scenario only, in an example
.No, 42 percent means strangulation is the number one method used by serial killers. The other methods are broken up into small percentages.The same goes for age; Time the body is found was to show that just a little less than half take no time to conceal the body, and leave it where it is easily found. Like what happened here.
What these stats tell me is if it is a serial killer. it is a text book case.
The day after VM was murdered, there was a professor of criminal Justice that teaches in Boston. He was interviewed and I found it surprising when he was asked if the killer would be caught, his response was "yes when he does it again" without any hesitation. It was like he knew it was the work of a serial killer.
So once again. I'll say that I was using this scenario as an example only. I am with Paul on this. A serial killer that either is his first time killing, or hasn't been arrested for any reason where his DNA would be in the codis.

 

[OldSteve]

According to FBI, long distance truck driving is the ideal occupation for a serial killer.... So surprised to see stat in the above 72% of serial killers never kill outside of one state