MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #6

[Rocky1]

Totally agree. I don't think we can rule out that they have a suspect or suspects just because there has been no arrest yet. LE can't just demand anyone they consider a suspect give a DNA sample. They need enough evidence in order to demand it. And I don't see the DNA dragnet as being contrary to them having a suspect or suspects. In fact, doing such a dragnet in a suspect's neighborhood would be a great tactic. Obviously the suspect wouldn't voluntarily give a sample. To be clear - I'm not implying anyone who refuses to give a sample could be guilty. (I feel I need to state that as we have some people on this thread that seem to misread others' comments.)

I honestly could go both ways on this - LE might be trying to gather enough evidence against a suspect to require a DNA sample or they might not have any suspects.

To me, it seems like a time consuming, expensive way to go, going door to door, and as someone posted, returning for a second time if someone isn't home.
I think the more direct way to go would be to take the guy in for questioning, obtain his DNA either at the police station, off a drinking cup etc, or stake him out and obtain his DNA somehow that way, (ie trash, etc.)
This makes me think they have no suspect.

 

[Kickoff61]

I was talking about LE not having a clue
I think if he lives alone, a quiet person that does not get involved in much it would be easy to stay under the radar. That is if he is in fact alone.
I remember saying early on that there is a good possibility he was able to flee for sometime immediately after the crime. Up to N.H., VT maybe telling anyone he did have some form of contact that he was going fishing for awhile and he might be really good at doing such a thing. A very unsuspecting person. Or he might not have had to tell anyone anything.
Then there is the scenario that this is a young person and his family might suspect he is a little wacked and are keeping their mouths shut.
And again as far as visible scratches we really dont know how visible they were or if they were even on his face at all.

Ok I see. Thanks for explaining. That's right, we don't know where the scratches would be if he had them as suspected or how visible they are. However, I was also thinking of a lot of other indicators of something wrong regarding him beyond that.

 

[Kickoff61]

Another good comment, Kickoff.

I'm totally with you that SOMEONE - even if just one person - has got to suspect this guy. But you are totally right that within a family, denial is very strong. Besides the denial factor, these types of criminals very very rarely spring from anything resembling a decently functioning family. Meaning there is prob major dysfunction within much of his family (of origin at least), which makes it more likely they're not going to suspect him.

I think the only people most people would cover for or not report is a child. And sadly, some women would cover for their husbands.

Thanks. I am in complete agreement with you on this one.

 

[Rocky1]

Another good comment, Kickoff.

I'm totally with you that SOMEONE - even if just one person - has got to suspect this guy. But you are totally right that within a family, denial is very strong. Besides the denial factor, these types of criminals very very rarely spring from anything resembling a decently functioning family. Meaning there is prob major dysfunction within much of his family (of origin at least), which makes it more likely they're not going to suspect him.

I think the only people most people would cover for or not report is a child. And sadly, some women would cover for their husbands.

I agree.Some parents would be in total denial that their child could be involved in such a thing.I am sure you have seen cases where the person has been tried and convicted and the parents still say he/she is innocent.

 

[Kickoff61]

To me, it seems like a time consuming, expensive way to go, going door to door, and as someone posted, returning for a second time if someone isn't home.
I think the more direct way to go would be to take the guy in for questioning, obtain his DNA either at the police station, off a drinking cup etc, or stake him out and obtain his DNA somehow that way, (ie trash, etc.)
This makes me think they have no suspect.

Like you said, they need the probable cause for warrant to just take him in for questioning and obtain DNA (regardless of what he wants).

 

[Rocky1]

Like you said, they need the probable cause for warrant to just take him in for questioning and obtain DNA (regardless of what he wants).

They can take him in for questioning and request a DNA sample.
(not demand)If the person refuses, they can obtain it off of a cup etc. submit that evidence to a judge for a warrant, then obtain another sample to use at the trial.
They don't need a warrant just for questioning.

 

[Kickoff61]

We don't know the age of this person. If he is younger, his parents would be over looking things. If he is some years older than her, not that 'old', than his wife or immediate family may be over looking things. And as others have so rightly said, coming from dysfunction, to have done something like this, means the others knowing him are living in that same dysfunction.

 

[Kickoff61]

To me, it seems like a time consuming, expensive way to go, going door to door, and as someone posted, returning for a second time if someone isn't home.
I think the more direct way to go would be to take the guy in for questioning, obtain his DNA either at the police station, off a drinking cup etc, or stake him out and obtain his DNA somehow that way, (ie trash, etc.)
This makes me think they have no suspect.

I also don't think they would be doing that as much if they were more certain the person is 'out of the area'.

 

[Kickoff61]

They can take him in for questioning and request a DNA sample.
(not demand)If the person refuses, they can obtain it off of a cup etc. submit that evidence to a judge for a warrant, then obtain another sample to use at the trial.
They don't need a warrant just for questioning.

I honestly do not know the standards lately for these cases with taking a sample off of cups, trash , etc. That's ok... 'request' instead of 'demand' is fine. I think when they have asked for voluntary isn't that requesting people to do voluntary? Anyway, I am just making some points and as I said I think it can go either way . I also think it is beneficial to focus on who could have done this horrific crime. You never know what may generate more tips as well.

 

[searunner]

ThinkHard -

I'm wondering if you have ruled OUT in your thinking the possibility that there is a connection (of some sorts) between the two highly unusual events that occurred one day apart between persons known to each other.

Won't say more so as to stay within site rules.

 

[The Farm]

Ok I see. Thanks for explaining. That's right, we don't know where the scratches would be if he had them as suspected or how visible they are. However, I was also thinking of a lot of other indicators of something wrong regarding him beyond that.

Yes I understand but if he is somewhat of a loner than that would not really come into play at all. Some might suspect 50 people in their circles but that does not mean it is him.
Personally I know many weirdos.....lol But the chance of them being the one are most likely very slim.
Then there are the ones that are so smart and so cunning you would not even include them in the group of potential perps. And they could be the one.

Remember Philip Markoff, the craigslist perp? He was engaged to be married and killed himself the day of his supposed wedding day in prison. His girlfriend and family had no clue whatsover. He was in medical school, intelligent, and under that radar.
You just never know.

 

[The Farm]

Ok I see. Thanks for explaining. That's right, we don't know where the scratches would be if he had them as suspected or how visible they are. However, I was also thinking of a lot of other indicators of something wrong regarding him beyond that.

Yes I understand but if he is somewhat of a loner than that would not really come into play at all. Some might suspect 50 people in their circles but that does not mean it is him.
Personally I know many weirdos.....lol But the chance of them being the one are most likely very slim.
Then there are the ones that are so smart and so cunning you would not even include them in the group of potential perps. And they could be the one.

Remember Philip Markoff, the craigslist perp? He was engaged to be married and killed himself the day of his supposed wedding day in prison. His girlfriend and family had no clue whatsover. He was in medical school, intelligent, and under that radar.
You just never know.

 

[Kickoff61]

Yes I understand but if he is somewhat of a loner than that would not really come into play at all. Some might suspect 50 people in their circles but that does not mean it is him.
Personally I know many weirdos.....lol But the chance of them being the one are most likely very slim.
Then there are the ones that are so smart and so cunning you would not even include them in the group of potential perps. And they could be the one.

Remember Philip Markoff, the craigslist perp? He was engaged to be married and killed himself the day of his supposed wedding day in prison. His girlfriend and family had no clue whatsover. He was in medical school, intelligent, and under that radar.
You just never know.

True, with a loner it would be different.

 

[Gussified]

ThinkHard -

I'm wondering if you have ruled OUT in your thinking the possibility that there is a connection (of some sorts) between the two highly unusual events that occurred one day apart between persons known to each other.

Won't say more so as to stay within site rules.

Coming out of lurk mode to say...I've wondered the same thing. Wondering about the mental health history and/or addictions (of the 2nd person, not VM), and what the legalities are around collecting DNA from a deceased suspect.


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[Rocky1]

Yes I understand but if he is somewhat of a loner than that would not really come into play at all. Some might suspect 50 people in their circles but that does not mean it is him.
Personally I know many weirdos.....lol But the chance of them being the one are most likely very slim.
Then there are the ones that are so smart and so cunning you would not even include them in the group of potential perps. And they could be the one.

Remember Philip Markoff, the craigslist perp? He was engaged to be married and killed himself the day of his supposed wedding day in prison. His girlfriend and family had no clue whatsover. He was in medical school, intelligent, and under that radar.
You just never know.

That's a great example.
Markoff was intelligent, and you're right... under the radar in his inner circle. Smart the way he hid his gun in the cut out Greys Anatomy book etc, but then left an electronic footprint a mile long with his PC, caught in the cameras at the hotels, and wore gloves, yet took them off to delete his phone number from one of the womans phones, leaving his finger prints all over it.
I see this guy being somewhat the same, meaning cocky and thinks he is smarter than everyone.

 

[Rocky1]

Coming out of lurk mode to say...I've wondered the same thing. Wondering about the mental health history and/or addictions (of the 2nd person, not VM), and what the legalities are around collecting DNA from a deceased suspect.


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Welcome.
If they think it was him, why are they still looking?

 

[Kickoff61]

That's a great example.
Markoff was intelligent, and you're right... under the radar in his inner circle. Smart the way he hid his gun in the cut out Greys Anatomy book etc, but then left an electronic footprint a mile long with his PC, caught in the cameras at the hotels, and wore gloves, yet took them off to delete his phone number from one of the womans phones, leaving his finger prints all over it.
I see this guy being somewhat the same, meaning cocky and thinks he is smarter than everyone.

I think you may be right there. Thinking he is smarter than everyone. First cocky indicator, doing this in broad day light on a Sunday afternoon.

 

[Coleraine]

Boston news stations are reporting that Vanessa Marcotte's family will be speaking at 3:00 this afternoon. Just saw it on TV.

 

[Coleraine]

Link to news about family

http://www.wcvb.com/article/vanessa...ing-out-4-months-after-joggers-murder/8524156

 

[Kickoff61]

Link to news about family

http://www.wcvb.com/article/vanessa...ing-out-4-months-after-joggers-murder/8524156

Thank you .