MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #6

[ForensicMass]

To me if he used social media to stalk her then it's likely someone young which is what I think. Maybe they grew up in the same area but he never left home but sure spent time thinking about her. Let's think what jobs would have access tk the SUV? If it's not his or his families then maybe his job so which ones?

I don't know of any jobs where the work vehicle is an SUV. most places use either small, economical cars for travelers, or vans/trucks for people who have lots of equipment. I don't know any job that uses SUVs. Only thing I could think of is some sort of personal transport, but I think that's a stretch. And it was Sunday. So if I was a work provided vehicle, chances are that the person has that dedicated vehicle all the time, just like they own it.

Along these lines the most discreet access to a vehicle that does not belong to you that I can think of is someone who works for a car dealership or auto repair facility and took a loaner car home for the weekend.

 

[liz b.]

It's often through the habits, contacts, work and recreation preferences of the victim that their killer is revealed. It is not at all being disrespectful to sleuth a victim's background. There are rarely any eyewitnesses to murder, and killers don't usually confess. Absent any DNA matches it's hard for LE to solve cases. By focusing on the deceased victim LE can sometimes find a person in their background who is not what they appear to be. Just my opinion ...

 

[The Farm]

I don't know of any jobs where the work vehicle is an SUV. most places use either small, economical cars for travelers, or vans/trucks for people who have lots of equipment. I don't know any job that uses SUVs. Only thing I could think of is some sort of personal transport, but I think that's a stretch. And it was Sunday. So if I was a work provided vehicle, chances are that the person has that dedicated vehicle all the time, just like they own it.

Along these lines the most discreet access to a vehicle that does not belong to you that I can think of is someone who works for a car dealership or auto repair facility and took a loaner car home for the weekend.

That is not really true FM, many companies use SUV's. Not for heavy duty work but it depends on what kind of company it is.

 

[Kickoff61]

It's often through the habits, contacts, work and recreation preferences of the victim that their killer is revealed. It is not at all being disrespectful to sleuth a victim's background. There are rarely any eyewitnesses to murder, and killers don't usually confess. Absent any DNA matches it's hard for LE to solve cases. By focusing on the deceased victim LE can sometimes find a person in their background who is not what they appear to be. Just my opinion ...

I agree completely. I just want you to know , I don't discard that at all. I just thought focusing on him as well is important. He seems to be staying out of the spotlight in that respect which is horrid considering what he has done. However, now the latest news is the family is speaking, so things may change a bit bringing this out in the media again. JMO that is all.

 

[Kickoff61]

That is not really true FM, many companies use SUV's. Not for heavy duty work but it depends on what kind of company it is.

I believe you are right with that.

 

[The Farm]

That's a great example.
Markoff was intelligent, and you're right... under the radar in his inner circle. Smart the way he hid his gun in the cut out Greys Anatomy book etc, but then left an electronic footprint a mile long with his PC, caught in the cameras at the hotels, and wore gloves, yet took them off to delete his phone number from one of the womans phones, leaving his finger prints all over it.
I see this guy being somewhat the same, meaning cocky and thinks he is smarter than everyone.

He was smart but in the end not that smart huh? He got caught.
But the example I am trying to put out here is you never know. It could very well be a person of a higher caliber. And LE will want to make sure they have all their I's dotted and T's crossed.

 

[ForensicMass]

Totally agree. I don't think we can rule out that they have a suspect or suspects just because there has been no arrest yet. LE can't just demand anyone they consider a suspect give a DNA sample. They need enough evidence in order to demand it. And I don't see the DNA dragnet as being contrary to them having a suspect or suspects. In fact, doing such a dragnet in a suspect's neighborhood would be a great tactic. Obviously the suspect wouldn't voluntarily give a sample. To be clear - I'm not implying anyone who refuses to give a sample could be guilty. (I feel I need to state that as we have some people on this thread that seem to misread others' comments.)

I honestly could go both ways on this - LE might be trying to gather enough evidence against a suspect to require a DNA sample or they might not have any suspects.

Can't LE surreptitiously collect DNA? From a coke can or something? LE does this kind of thing all the time ??

 

[Kickoff61]

He was smart but in the end not that smart huh? He got caught.
But the example I am trying to put out here is you never know. It could very well be a person of a higher caliber. And LE will want to make sure they have all their I's dotted and T's crossed.

I agree with you on this too. Some of the worst sociopath's can look normal and go unsuspected. Absolutely. I also think LE do want all their I's dotted and T's crossed as you say.

I was thinking of some particular things that may stand out in a family's mind re: the time line that day or small questions that may linger in their mind. Or excuses for any marks someone may have on them, numerous things like that. But I do agree with other poster that denial runs deep in families like this, who would be apt to have major dysfunction of course, with someone ending up doing something horrific like this. All JMO of course.

 

[The Farm]

Boston news stations are reporting that Vanessa Marcotte's family will be speaking at 3:00 this afternoon. Just saw it on TV.

Wow I wonder what this is about? What do you all think???

 

[ForensicMass]

That is not really true FM, many companies use SUV's. Not for heavy duty work but it depends on what kind of company it is.

I'm on the road for work, 50k miles/year. I never see any business text on SUVs. And none of my friends have them for their businesses. That was the basis for my thoughts. But open to other ideas - can you think of any specific businesses that use them, to back up that perspective and show me I'm way off? Not doubting you, just need to understand your perspective is all.

 

[The Farm]

I agree with you on this too. Some of the worst sociopath's can look normal and go unsuspected. Absolutely. I also think LE do want all their I's dotted and T's crossed as you say.

I was thinking of some particular things that may stand out in a family's mind re: the time line that day or small questions that may linger in their mind. Or excuses for any marks someone may have on them, numerous things like that. But I do agree with other poster that denial runs deep in families like this, who would be apt to have major dysfunction of course, with someone ending up doing something horrific like this. All JMO of course.

Yes agree on all this. BUT if he is a loner then we can most likely throw that all out the window,,,,lol

 

[The Farm]

I'm on the road for work, 50k miles/year. I never see any business text on SUVs. And none of my friends have them for their businesses. That was the basis for my thoughts. But open to other ideas - can you think of any specific businesses that use them, to back up that perspective and show me I'm way off? Not doubting you, just need to understand your perspective is all.

Yes I can. When I have had jobs done by companies in the past sometimes the guy that does the pricing will show up in an SUV with no signage on it. It is most likely a company vehicle and is used as a run around to go to job sites, give pricing, pick things up. Also they were not jun k vehicles but nice representing the company but the lack of signage I never understood myself. They always got out with a business card in their hands and mayb e a shirt with the company logo.

 

[Gussified]

Welcome.
If they think it was him, why are they still looking?

Good question. IDK. Maybe they're just looking for the proof? His family's not cooperating, so they're trying to link him to the dark SUV seen in the area? But if there's DNA, then you'd think that would be enough proof. That's why I was wondering about the legalities of DNA testing on a deceased suspect. Do they need to have the family's permission? Or a warrant or something?
jmo


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[The Farm]

sorry I am having double vision or something today with the double post. Tried to delete but it will not work.

 

[Kickoff61]

Yes agree on all this. BUT if he is a loner then we can most likely throw that all out the window,,,,lol

Yes, it can go either way ...lol. But I do think higher probability the person knows people , family, friends or co-workers more than isolator or hermit.

 

[ForensicMass]

It's often through the habits, contacts, work and recreation preferences of the victim that their killer is revealed. It is not at all being disrespectful to sleuth a victim's background. There are rarely any eyewitnesses to murder, and killers don't usually confess. Absent any DNA matches it's hard for LE to solve cases. By focusing on the deceased victim LE can sometimes find a person in their background who is not what they appear to be. Just my opinion ...

Agree. Another major point on this- we actually know the identity of the victim. It's easier to start there, with something that is known, than to try from the other side, when we've no idea who the perp is.

 

[ForensicMass]

Yes I can. When I have had jobs done by companies in the past sometimes the guy that does the pricing will show up in an SUV with no signage on it. It is most likely a company vehicle and is used as a run around to go to job sites, give pricing, pick things up. Also they were not jun k vehicles but nice representing the company but the lack of signage I never understood myself. They always got out with a business card in their hands and mayb e a shirt with the company logo.

I can see that scenario, I think the reason for the lack of lettering is because the person also uses this vehicle as their personal vehicle. The guy providing the estimates in many outfits actually owns the company. Guess what I am getting at is that with respect to finding someone who has a work vehicle we would want to identify the work vehicle as a vehicle that might not be registered to them, or might not be parked in their driveway. I think most likely in the scenario you just described that vehicle is parked in the driveway at the home of the person who gave you the estimate and not at a separate facility. Again, could be WHOLLY WRONG and way off.

 

[The Farm]

Yes, it can go either way ...lol. But I do think higher probability the person knows people , family, friends or co-workers more than isolator or hermit.

I dont know. Like we are saying it could be either way. It is a very hard call with the lack of info.

 

[ForensicMass]

sorry I am having double vision or something today with the double post. Tried to delete but it will not work.

Haha no prob! Thanks for your insight

 

[The Farm]

I can see that scenario, I think the reason for the lack of lettering is because the person also uses this vehicle as their personal vehicle. The guy providing the estimates in many outfits actually owns the company. Guess what I am getting at is that with respect to finding someone who has a work vehicle we would want to identify the work vehicle as a vehicle that might not be registered to them, or might not be parked in their driveway. I think most likely in the scenario you just described that vehicle is parked in the driveway at the home of the person who gave you the estimate and not at a separate facility. Again, could be WHOLLY WRONG and way off.

I understand. We all could be wrong and way off but we are keeping at it. I am very interested to see what Vanessas family has to say, and why now 6 months later???