MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #6

[searunner]

Yes I can. When I have had jobs done by companies in the past sometimes the guy that does the pricing will show up in an SUV with no signage on it. It is most likely a company vehicle and is used as a run around to go to job sites, give pricing, pick things up. Also they were not jun k vehicles but nice representing the company but the lack of signage I never understood myself. They always got out with a business card in their hands and mayb e a shirt with the company logo.

One example quickly popped into my mind. Interestingly, it is very similar. The guy who came out to give an estimate for something being done in house (contracting work - several types of improvements) came out in a company-owned SUV. Black if I recall, definitely very dark.

Now the guys who did the actual work came out in a more typical contractor vehicle - they needed a bigger truck-type vehicle because they had materials and supplies, of course.

Interesting coincidence. I wonder if many contracting type cos provide SUVs (without co signage) to their estimators?

I'm not troubled by the fact this happened on a weekend. A lot of cos allow people to take their work vehicles home.

 

[ForensicMass]

I understand. We all could be wrong and way off but we are keeping at it. I am very interested to see what Vanessas family has to say, and why now 6 months later???

I agree. My best guess is that it is a media plea for someone who knows something to fess up since it's been so long and no concrete subject has emerged. They will probably thank law enforcement for their tireless work on this case. In summary I think it will probably just be much of the same but in an attempt to draw back some media attention in hopes of generating new information. I do think it's possible we could learn something about Vanessa that we don't know at this point, maybe even something specific about her schedule that day. I'm hoping that's the case, but I'm doubting that latter part because I think that would be something that law enforcement would share and not the family. On the other hand I do think in this case all press is good press. I'm glad they're speaking to us.

 

[The Farm]

One example quickly popped into my mind. Interestingly, it is very similar. The guy who came out to give an estimate for something being done in house (contracting work - several types of improvements) came out in a company-owned SUV. Black if I recall, definitely very dark.

Now the guys who did the actual work came out in a more typical contractor vehicle - they needed a bigger truck-type vehicle because they had materials and supplies, of course.

Interesting coincidence. I wonder if many contracting type cos provide SUVs (without co signage) to their estimators?

I'm not troubled by the fact this happened on a weekend. A lot of cos allow people to take their work vehicles home.

Example. Many years ago I purchased a large pick-up, certainly NOT a vehicle that you would be tolling around in to price jobs.
Well that is exactly what the company owner was using it for aside for pulling snowmobiles up north a few times. He traded it in 2 years later and downsized. He did counters and cabinets and such.
What I am getting at is company owners can choose whatever vehicles they would like to use for whatever job.

 

[The Farm]

One example quickly popped into my mind. Interestingly, it is very similar. The guy who came out to give an estimate for something being done in house (contracting work - several types of improvements) came out in a company-owned SUV. Black if I recall, definitely very dark.

Now the guys who did the actual work came out in a more typical contractor vehicle - they needed a bigger truck-type vehicle because they had materials and supplies, of course.

Interesting coincidence. I wonder if many contracting type cos provide SUVs (without co signage) to their estimators?

I'm not troubled by the fact this happened on a weekend. A lot of cos allow people to take their work vehicles home.

The estimators or course work for the company and yes many let them take them home. It is quite common, especially if the person who the SUV is assigned to basically just runs around doing estimates and a go person doing errands.

 

[Rocky1]

I don't know of any jobs where the work vehicle is an SUV. most places use either small, economical cars for travelers, or vans/trucks for people who have lots of equipment. I don't know any job that uses SUVs. Only thing I could think of is some sort of personal transport, but I think that's a stretch. And it was Sunday. So if I was a work provided vehicle, chances are that the person has that dedicated vehicle all the time, just like they own it.

Along these lines the most discreet access to a vehicle that does not belong to you that I can think of is someone who works for a car dealership or auto repair facility and took a loaner car home for the weekend.

The State Police use dark unmarked SUVs for work vehicles... on Sunday too.

 

[Rocky1]

He was smart but in the end not that smart huh? He got caught.
But the example I am trying to put out here is you never know. It could very well be a person of a higher caliber. And LE will want to make sure they have all their I's dotted and T's crossed.

I know what you mean, and I agree.

 

[ForensicMass]

Example. Many years ago I purchased a large pick-up, certainly NOT a vehicle that you would be tolling around in to price jobs.
Well that is exactly what the company owner was using it for aside for pulling snowmobiles up north a few times. He traded it in 2 years later and downsized. He did counters and cabinets and such.
What I am getting at is company owners can choose whatever vehicles they would like to use for whatever job.

Ok I can agree with that. But would you agree that if the perp was using a company vehicle, it would much more likely be a van or truck?

 

[Rocky1]

Wow I wonder what this is about? What do you all think???

I think that the family is not happy at all with the progress on this case. I think they are devastated, and want answers, I also think they think that LE is giving up, and although I doubt that is the case, I am sure with each day passing, they are slowly pushing this case on the back burner, and it is slowly going cold.
I think they are frustrated, and want to go around LE and keep this in the public eye so to speak. I also think that being the Christmas season,they are exceptionally heat broken, as I would be and I feel for them.

 

[ForensicMass]

The State Police use dark unmarked SUVs for work vehicles... on Sunday too.

Very scary thought. But with today's tech, I would bet that there are trackers in those vehicles showing where they are at all times. Also, I don't see a cop for this crime. I know a lot of people think the perp is a genius and did an amazing cover up, but I don't. I think he botched several things in ways that a cop would not mess up.

 

[Rocky1]

Yes I can. When I have had jobs done by companies in the past sometimes the guy that does the pricing will show up in an SUV with no signage on it. It is most likely a company vehicle and is used as a run around to go to job sites, give pricing, pick things up. Also they were not jun k vehicles but nice representing the company but the lack of signage I never understood myself. They always got out with a business card in their hands and mayb e a shirt with the company logo.

I can think of a whole bunch of Cos that use SUVs.
Courier services, people that shuttle med supplies, phone companies Servpro, to name a few.

 

[The Farm]

Ok I can agree with that. But would you agree that if the perp was using a company vehicle, it would much more likely be a van or truck?

Honestly I think it could be anything except maybe a big yellow school bus.

 

[The Farm]

Very scary thought. But with today's tech, I would bet that there are trackers in those vehicles showing where they are at all times. Also, I don't see a cop for this crime. I know a lot of people think the perp is a genius and did an amazing cover up, but I don't. I think he botched several things in ways that a cop would not mess up.

I do not think, well speaking for myself, that he is a genius at all. And I do not think Rocky was referring to it being a cop, just that they use dark SUV's. Is that what you meant Rocky?
We have no idea how good his cover-up is because they have not said enough about it.

 

[searunner]

Good question. IDK. Maybe they're just looking for the proof? His family's not cooperating, so they're trying to link him to the dark SUV seen in the area? But if there's DNA, then you'd think that would be enough proof. That's why I was wondering about the legalities of DNA testing on a deceased suspect. Do they need to have the family's permission? Or a warrant or something?
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Welcome, Gussified. (Great word - made me smile, a welcome happening on this site). Exactly, I'm not an attorney and I don't know the legalities either. But I'd be willing to bet that LE would have to be able to place a deceased person at scene or else have other strong evidence to require a DNA sample (which isn't straightforward here). Generally, speaking....

Please note, my recent post to one person that started this specific discussion said connection of "some sorts." Please also if anyone is going to jump in, watch your wording.

 

[Rocky1]

Very scary thought. But with today's tech, I would bet that there are trackers in those vehicles showing where they are at all times. Also, I don't see a cop for this crime. I know a lot of people think the perp is a genius and did an amazing cover up, but I don't. I think he botched several things in ways that a cop would not mess up.

I don't think a cop did this either, but I am not dismissing that the people that called in the tip seeing the SUV parked didn't mistake the time, and may have mistaken it for a State Police dark, unmarked SUV,
Using your example from last night, saying the SUV was parked there for 15 minutes, and a car a minute passing, that's 15 cars. How many of those called in, 2? 5? Out of those, how many were mistaken and thought they saw an SUV "maybe?" Or said it was around 3 pm but really was closer to 3:30?
Not saying it happened, but still think it could have.
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[searunner]

I do not think, well speaking for myself, that he is a genius at all. And I do not think Rocky was referring to it being a cop, just that they use dark SUV's. Is that what you meant Rocky?
We have no idea how good his cover-up is because they have not said enough about it.

And speaking for myself, I posted way back saying that I think there's a good likelihood that he's not a "very" intelligent person. Average intelligence is my guess, somewhat above avg is possible. Brilliant or "Google smart" (or whatever similar term has been used), not to my thinking.

This is someone who got lucky, I think. If we're going by the theory (one of many) that his dark SUV was cruising around the area and/or parked on the side of a wooded road (meaning somewhat conspicuous) for at least 15 mins with plates showing, we are likely not talking Google smart, IMO. We are certainly talking someone with a high-T (high thrill) personality. That personality would probably come out in other facets - job choice, hobbies, etc.

I just wish we were privvy to a little more info from LE.

 

[Kickoff61]

I disagree. I believe a sloppy , mid to lower IQ person with something this blatant would be solved by now.

 

[Rocky1]

And speaking for myself, I posted way back saying that I think there's a good likelihood that he's not a "very" intelligent person. Average intelligence is my guess, somewhat above avg is possible. Brilliant or "Google smart" (or whatever similar term has been used), not to my thinking.

This is someone who got lucky, I think. If we're going by the theory (one of many) that his dark SUV was cruising around the area and/or parked on the side of a wooded road (meaning somewhat conspicuous) for at least 15 mins with plates showing, we are likely not talking Google smart, IMO. We are certainly talking someone with a high-T (high thrill) personality. That personality would probably come out in other facets - job choice, hobbies, etc.

I just wish we were privvy to a little more info from LE.

I agree. I think he got lucky too. Nobody saw him come in contact with her, despite the amount of cars that travel that road, Nobody saw smoke, from the fire, if it was fairly large in size, nobody heard screams, if there were any, and most important, he got away.

 

[ForensicMass]

Honestly I think it could be anything except maybe a big yellow school bus.

Not debating what it could be. It could even be a school bus! I think one thing that people on this site are failing to understand about my approach to all of this is that I'm just trying to ask which possibility is MOST LIKELY. None of us know for sure what happened. The best thing we can do here is for each little part we discuss, we can bring up as many different scenarios as possible. Then, based on probability, we can decide if one scenario is more likely than another.

That's all I'm trying to do. I'm not saying that no work vehicles are SUVs. I think you guys did a great job providing examples, and proving that case. So, it could have been a work vehicle, yes.
But, if the perp used a work vehicle, what is the relative liklihood that it would be an SUV? I'm only guessing here, but given your examples, of all contractor/worker company vehicles, what percentage might be SUVs? 10%? 25%? Even if 25%, which I think is a mighty fair HIGH CONSERVATIVE estimate, it still means that if a work vechicle was used, there would be a 75% chance it would not be an SUV, under this example. Therefore, I have some reason to believe this would not have been a work vehicle, as it's statistically unlikely.

We are discussing work vehicles because we want to know if the perp might not be fully associated with the vehicle, right? And so by work vehicle, what we mean is a vehicle that wouldn't normally be parked at the perps house, or that someone wouldn't necessarily immediately associate with the perp, right? Does this make sense?
If the "work" vehicle is the perps main vehicle and kept at his house, that diffuses the whole point of this angle. What we are really trying to look at here, is if the perp used a vechile DIFFERENT from one he is usually associated with, in order to cover his tracks.

Isn't that the idea?

If it is the idea, many of the SUVs fall out of the possibility. But even if we keep them all in consideration as a conservative hypothesis, they still are more unlikely than likely.

 

[Kickoff61]

I think I have mentioned before and I could be wrong, but I believe it went off track for him when she fought more than expected, so then maybe things did turn out rushed or look sloppy. But, over all, I completely believe this is someone experienced who tried to cover up. I do not believe he was just spending time on the cart path torturing her with fire that would bring smoke to people's attention in mid afternoon. JMO , again.

 

[ForensicMass]

and speaking for myself, i posted way back saying that i think there's a good likelihood that he's not a "very" intelligent person. Average intelligence is my guess, somewhat above avg is possible. Brilliant or "google smart" (or whatever similar term has been used), not to my thinking.

This is someone who got lucky, i think. If we're going by the theory (one of many) that his dark suv was cruising around the area and/or parked on the side of a wooded road (meaning somewhat conspicuous) for at least 15 mins with plates showing, we are likely not talking google smart, imo. We are certainly talking someone with a high-t (high thrill) personality. That personality would probably come out in other facets - job choice, hobbies, etc.

I just wish we were privvy to a little more info from le.

very much agree with all of this