MA - Vanessa Marcotte, 27, murdered, Princeton, 7 Aug 2016 #6

[Kickoff61]

Again, if he has achieved getting away with acting out over time, he is likely someone who is just as FBI profilers describe, able to lie, cover his actions, go back to every day life, looking normal, etc.

 

[Evey]

I believe she was a mananger not a high powered google executive. Meaning she may have had a small team reporting to her at most. Or it could just be used in the Ames she managed customer accounts, not people.

Regarding doctors in Worcester....that can be incredibly frustrating and with anything complicated you are MUCH better off in Boston. We have lots of medical facilities but I've had horrible experience again and again...Boston has actually helped me where Worcester failed. So there is that...plus she was living and working in NYC....so her insurance would have been covering her primarily in NY not MA....so considering NYC has great medical care, it's where she was living, and its the state her insurance would cover ... my guess is it's unlikely she came home for those reasons but I couldn't gen wrong of course.

That's what I thought but saw her called a google exec in some article. When I saw a recent one about the charity they set up in he returned name which one was cancer related I wondered. If her parents have insurance she is on would they're cover New York also? Not counting state insurance. I wonder if she had a roomate and if had an apartment or house or condo with lots of neighbors who could stalk her or notice her being stalked. Still think it's a local a but good to cross off options.

 

[Evey]

I understand. Yes. However, we only know for fact from reports that parts of her body were burned. We don't factually know yet if the clothes were burned.

And I assume her hair could only be what was burned on her head and maybe her fingers ans toes not the whole foot or hands since they haven't specificed

 

[Kickoff61]

And I assume her hair could only be what was burned on her head and maybe her fingers ans toes not the whole foot or hands since they haven't specificed

After watching the video from Bob Ward, posted here earlier and seeing what he called the fire pit, it is hard to imagine only 3 areas of her body burned, unless they meant those were areas most burned. I suppose if he lit those 3 areas to get the fire going throughout. But it does clearly appear to be a scene of a fire. Not just injuries. Which appears to be attempt to get rid of DNA or everything.

 

[Evey]

This could very well be a serial killer, who has remained above the law, not caught.

Maybe we should look into cases like this when her parents would be her age. If it's a family friend or someone their age maybe she resembles the person killed once. We also should look at attempts because he could have tried other places and girls before striking in his town. Which I think if KV is related she was a practice run. They may have not said it's related but they didn't rule it out and never said if DNA was tested and ruled out or was a match. And how far was ally bruger from there? Maybe just shooting someone didn't do it for him hence rape and strangulation. And hence not shooting them since I assume they'd figure out the bullet matched the same gun from that case. To me we have a possible jogger serial killer who's knowledgeable to these areas so he has enough free time to investigate. I know not likely but odd. I wonder if any other girls around her age were killed or girls who would be her age today in town or the area were killed?

 

[Kickoff61]

Maybe we should look into cases like this when her parents would be her age. If it's a family friend or someone their age maybe she resembles the person killed once. We also should look at attempts because he could have tried other places and girls before striking in his town. Which I think if KV is related she was a practice run. They may have not said it's related but they didn't rule it out and never said if DNA was tested and ruled out or was a match. And how far was ally bruger from there? Maybe just shooting someone didn't do it for him hence rape and strangulation. And hence not shooting them since I assume they'd figure out the bullet matched the same gun from that case. To me we have a possible jogger serial killer who's knowledgeable to these areas so he has enough free time to investigate. I know not likely but odd. I wonder if any other girls around her age were killed or girls who would be her age today in town or the area were killed?

Right. and There is no cause of death reported in this case yet.

 

[Evey]

Actually thinking on that, other runners in the area could have seen her running or met her by running at times on the weekends that she did as well, in addition to her running by someone's house.

That makes me think she wasn't killed there I mean why risk carrying her clothes? Or he snuck home because he lives close enough he could've before someone else comes by and because they said she may have scratched or hurt his eye maybe he wore a burglar mask or any mask in case she got away.
To me either he surprised and overpowered her in a choke hold as she scratched and kicked before passing out or he had a gun but maybe she acted like she was going along with things so he didn't shoot but tried fighting back once his guards down. WHich why not try and run if she Could. Would where she was found count as no trespassing? Like could he leave her there walk home and back without a worry? Because it's weird nobody found her body before the dogs which took a long time for being so close to home and her supposedly jogging it that day. If the scent was from the day before and her body was brought that makes more sense. I wonder how far into the search they dropped the body if they did drop the body that is. And if the killer could easily hide on the rich peoples property or if they shoot guns a lot since if he had a gun and didn't fire it I feel he wanted it more personal and could be easier found by noise if it was a Hunting riffle. And if any of those places had landscapers or gardeners or any workers that day and if any could have snuck off. They must have known neighbors were home and would hear shots. But still I feel the property so close to the body spot should have noticed unless it's them or unless someone dropped the body once they knew the search party was going or had passed. It just feels it took way longer to find her so close. And that's a long bus ride and you should be able to see it's route and stops because ones in Oregon have transit centers and stop at rest stops so someone could easily live in town but stalk her off the bus also which i still believe KV and her maybe could be connected. But that Vm was his obsession. I know I read the sides of the road are lined with thick poison ivy and bushes so if so that shows the killer knew that and wore whatever needed to not get a ivy rash which what if part of why they say he would be Injured would be from bushes and such? He seemed prepared for most of it. And to people not knowing hunting seasons he could seem to just be out hunting and could be seen in camo with a gun before it happened before anyone may realize it happened. Can we find out a list of workers the closest homes nay have? Maids and nannies and female jobs aren't likely but male cooks landcapers gardeners wild life related jobs or city jobs. WAIT how common would a chofur be? Cause they've said MAY have access and that would count and they'd use the bosses car before going to pick them up and could use any tools on the property and stash them and stash her body and dump it once safe maybe after dropping off or picking up hid boss. Also someone house sitting and a car a caretaker or we're any of them having plumbing or electrical or construction or roofing work? Someone's driver would be perfect would the house closest have one? Likely a local who's seen her daily

 

[Kickoff61]

I know I keep bringing this up, but it is due to what LE is requesting. Calls regarding someone with injuries or access to a dark SUV that day. There has to be someone he knows that would at least be aware of access to the dark SUV, if not injuries (he made excuses for) too. It may not be easy for someone to call in about this, but when it comes to public safety, it is imperative to make the call.

 

[Evey]

IF that is true, the person (as others in history) more than likely is least expected, has a lifestyle one would not suspect. It continues to make me think of the BTK killer, right in the community, working for the town, undetected for years.

Same and with the money potentially and ballsy aspect of Jack the Ripper but not the same kill method. How many jobs besides cook and welder would have stuff to light fires besides a torch and stronger than a small lighter and matches?

 

[Kickoff61]

That makes me think she wasn't killed there I mean why risk carrying her clothes? Or he snuck home because he lives close enough he could've before someone else comes by and because they said she may have scratched or hurt his eye maybe he wore a burglar mask or any mask in case she got away.
To me either he surprised and overpowered her in a choke hold as she scratched and kicked before passing out or he had a gun but maybe she acted like she was going along with things so he didn't shoot but tried fighting back once his guards down. WHich why not try and run if she Could. Would where she was found count as no trespassing? Like could he leave her there walk home and back without a worry? Because it's weird nobody found her body before the dogs which took a long time for being so close to home and her supposedly jogging it that day. If the scent was from the day before and her body was brought that makes more sense. I wonder how far into the search they dropped the body if they did drop the body that is. And if the killer could easily hide on the rich peoples property or if they shoot guns a lot since if he had a gun and didn't fire it I feel he wanted it more personal and could be easier found by noise if it was a Hunting riffle. And if any of those places had landscapers or gardeners or any workers that day and if any could have snuck off. They must have known neighbors were home and would hear shots. But still I feel the property so close to the body spot should have noticed unless it's them or unless someone dropped the body once they knew the search party was going or had passed. It just feels it took way longer to find her so close. And that's a long bus ride and you should be able to see it's route and stops because ones in Oregon have transit centers and stop at rest stops so someone could easily live in town but stalk her off the bus also which i still believe KV and her maybe could be connected. But that Vm was his obsession. I know I read the sides of the road are lined with thick poison ivy and bushes so if so that shows the killer knew that and wore whatever needed to not get a ivy rash which what if part of why they say he would be Injured would be from bushes and such? He seemed prepared for most of it. And to people not knowing hunting seasons he could seem to just be out hunting and could be seen in camo with a gun before it happened before anyone may realize it happened. Can we find out a list of workers the closest homes nay have? Maids and nannies and female jobs aren't likely but male cooks landcapers gardeners wild life related jobs or city jobs. WAIT how common would a chofur be? Cause they've said MAY have access and that would count and they'd use the bosses car before going to pick them up and could use any tools on the property and stash them and stash her body and dump it once safe maybe after dropping off or picking up hid boss. Also someone house sitting and a car a caretaker or we're any of them having plumbing or electrical or construction or roofing work? Someone's driver would be perfect would the house closest have one? Likely a local who's seen her daily

When you mention her being brought to that location, it makes more sense if that happened that it would be someone further on her route, attacking her close to his location ,then putting her there to look as though it happened at the beginning of her route before ever reaching (his area). (all the while not wanting to bring her more of a distance on a hot day, that would lead to more evidence in his vehicle) But there are multiple scenarios.

 

[Kickoff61]

I still think with approx. 1,000 tips coming in, could be indication there were tips to do with other areas on her route and not all 1,000 tips to do with BSR road and that location.

 

[Kickoff61]

Same and with the money potentially and ballsy aspect of Jack the Ripper but not the same kill method. How many jobs besides cook and welder would have stuff to light fires besides a torch and stronger than a small lighter and matches?

Well all that would be needed to start a fire in those dry conditions in the trees with sticks around would be lighter or matches. I am not sure why people were so sure about a 'torch' as that is just speculation with no reports of such. I think they mentioned marks on the trees, but the trees were near the fire pit as Bob Ward called it, in his photos and could simply be from the fire.

 

[Evey]

So, we are coming up on 5 months now with no arrest.
Very few clues to go on, and 6 threads here with many great theories and thoughts. With so little to go on, anyone of these theories could very well be a possibility of what happened.
Based on how LE works:
1) Knowing that LE starts with the family, and works their way out from there, after 5 months, does everyone/anyone think that family, friends, relatives, ex boyfriends, and co workers have been checked out and illuminated?
2)Not knowing, but assuming that LE started at the crime scene, and worked their way out from there canvasing the neighborhood, does everyone/anyone think the immediate neighbors have been checked out and illuminated?
3) LE has mentioned the SUV, based on a/several tips. Does everyone/anyone think that an SUV was involved?
4) Does everyone/anyone think that LE has a solid suspect in mind?
If someone thinks the answer to question 1 and 2 is no, and 3 and 4 is yes, can you tell me why they are doing a DNA dragnet?

Dragnet to me says one or all of their maybes turned down DNA so they want a relative to hopefully not or the person magically wasn't around for the first. I don't know if I think family did it cause if it did that's gross but I do believe possibly a family friend or last person she mentors or tutors or volunteers with. Basically someone she's been around enough to be obsessed even if she barely knows they exist. And someone the family wouldn't suspect or want to believe woukd and maybe doesn't know exists. I think if an SUV is then maybe it's someone's driver and the owner lives close by hence saying may have had access and as far as neighborhoods I think they've looked but I don't think they have one they're sure of just a handful of possible ones or one strong one they can't spook them into fleeing if they have money and especially if they can get a great lawyer and end up never caught cause they destroy evidence which just focusing on them and ppl and jones near they may suspect but by more of a larger radius and multiple DNA dragnets they may not suspect and may get comfy and slip up but the risk of them getting comfy and killing again is also there. I think he's likely still in town unless he's left for school which if he could have graduated high school and knowing he'd be leaving see it as a perfect time to strike while he can.

 

[Kickoff61]

When you mention her being brought to that location, it makes more sense if that happened that it would be someone further on her route, attacking her close to his location ,then putting her there to look as though it happened at the beginning of her route before ever reaching (his area). (all the while not wanting to bring her more of a distance on a hot day, that would lead to more evidence in his vehicle) But there are multiple scenarios.

Yes, he could be close enough to have snuck home too. I keep mentioning, how I think when he got injured was a turning point. He did not expect that and then his calculated plan changed to cover up the DNA he knew was left behind. and he would be more worried, of a connection from being in the area. (even if not in the system), just being so nearby.

 

[Kickoff61]

Dragnet to me says one or all of their maybes turned down DNA so they want a relative to hopefully not or the person magically wasn't around for the first. I don't know if I think family did it cause if it did that's gross but I do believe possibly a family friend or last person she mentors or tutors or volunteers with. Basically someone she's been around enough to be obsessed even if she barely knows they exist. And someone the family wouldn't suspect or want to believe woukd and maybe doesn't know exists. I think if an SUV is then maybe it's someone's driver and the owner lives close by hence saying may have had access and as far as neighborhoods I think they've looked but I don't think they have one they're sure of just a handful of possible ones or one strong one they can't spook them into fleeing if they have money and especially if they can get a great lawyer and end up never caught cause they destroy evidence which just focusing on them and ppl and jones near they may suspect but by more of a larger radius and multiple DNA dragnets they may not suspect and may get comfy and slip up but the risk of them getting comfy and killing again is also there. I think he's likely still in town unless he's left for school which if he could have graduated high school and knowing he'd be leaving see it as a perfect time to strike while he can.

Yes, she would know many people through the tutoring. She would also know many people through any running groups or races she was involved with. She had these activities she did, open to a predator getting to know her in some way to do this. The place they usually start with victims are their activities and social connections. We don't know what kind of interactions she had in town with her regular running as well. (If it is someone from town). Rural communities tend to be close nit, friendly and easy areas just to talk with people going by or walking along too, etc.

 

[Evey]

Those houses are set back from the road, so the cams would not take footage from the road.

Even their property would be good and potentially be even better honestly. And like was said I also wonder if they wanted to catch someone who was away at colleges DNA since I wonder if the killer knew he would be leaving for college cause he had just graduated high school maybe she mentored or tutored him hence the knowledge of her and obsession and knowing it was his only chance hence the mistakes it was rushed in some ways. What homes close have sons that age range I wonder...

 

[ThinkHard]

That's what I thought but saw her called a google exec in some article. When I saw a recent one about the charity they set up in he returned name which one was cancer related I wondered. If her parents have insurance she is on would they're cover New York also? Not counting state insurance. I wonder if she had a roomate and if had an apartment or house or condo with lots of neighbors who could stalk her or notice her being stalked. Still think it's a local a but good to cross off options.

She was 27 so it would be her own insurance. 26 is the cut off to be on parents plans. Her plan would be local to her state, seeing Dr's in ma wouldn't be impossible but would be out of network so tougher.

 

[ThinkHard]

After watching the video from Bob Ward, posted here earlier and seeing what he called the fire pit, it is hard to imagine only 3 areas of her body burned, unless they meant those were areas most burned. I suppose if he lit those 3 areas to get the fire going throughout. But it does clearly appear to be a scene of a fire. Not just injuries. Which appears to be attempt to get rid of DNA or everything.

Just throwing this out as an idea...but what if he bound her with her own clothing and then lit the clothing and hair on fire.

Also looking at the area he chose...he knew that fire would either burn out or it was out before you left.

Adding; running clothes are usually synthetic and synthetic material can often create a big but relatively quick flame before melting...maybe it could explain some markings?

 

[Kickoff61]

Looking at the google map again, it is just shocking how close the driveway is across the street, a little bit diagonal to the path. Anyone could have heard things from that yard, or walked to end of driveway or driven out and seen anything right there in the day time when this happened. It brings to question did he know who lives there? Know they weren't home? or trying to make it look like that person? It is almost too unbelievable to be so close to that driveway for all this to be happening.

 

[ThinkHard]

Same and with the money potentially and ballsy aspect of Jack the Ripper but not the same kill method. How many jobs besides cook and welder would have stuff to light fires besides a torch and stronger than a small lighter and matches?

So randomly I was in a head shop....and there was a bunch of butane lighters like kitchen torches. And I joked that it was overkill.

But I was informed when you smoke "dabs" the wax version of weed, you use that kind of lighter because you need a higher heat point.

I am a few years older then VM, but I know generations below me apparently mainly smoke dabs.

My point....perhaps he's a stoner.