Found Deceased MA - Zachary Marr, 22, Boston, 13 Feb 2016 #1

[CARIIS]

Wow, great read and a great find. Thank you. Katt

I did not find it cog did !!! It was really good piece imo

 

[rotary_dial]

A couple of random thoughts.

Why was he spending his bday with his cousin and not any of his friends?

Even though he was working full time, it was in a warehouse and for Randstad, a temp agency (deduced from his Instagram, wearing one of their lanyards). Having worked those type of jobs in my past, they are high pressure and there is a constant push on the workers to meet deadlines (which are usually unrealistic). I can imagine working that type of job combined with school would have him feeling constantly on edge with the fear of failure always looming.

I could just be projecting a bit, but I don't feel he was living the carefree life of some 22yo students I know. Add the death of his grandmother and I could see him at the verge of a breaking point.

Not that I'm suggesting he harmed himself, resorted to drugs, or anything like that. It is just something that hasn't been touched on, afaik.

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[CARIIS]

Wow, great read and a great find. Thank you. Katt

Hi Katt

how ya doing !!

 

[cdogstu99]

Assuming my crazy scenario is true--( i think it is)-I now bet this case gets solved quicker than expected. Because if he stumbled into the water who knows if they ever find the body. There is most likely another party involved that had to be in contact with Zach via phone or text. Cops must have that number.

 

[CARIIS]

Amanda lived in Boston, southie, she picked up Zach at the train station ... I am thinking, she drove to the club.

oh goodness I never thought they had a car there. That makes everything more confusing.

No reason not to go to car and wait IMO

really cold out garage open 24 hrs-- good place for the homeless to rest

Garage are creepy places at 2 in morn! Now wondering if he was hurt in a garage. I am sure he "looked" homeless

lordy!

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...nst-the-homeless-remain-a-problem.html?pg=all

Cog help!!

Was the direction he was walking toward a prking garage?

Very bothersome if they had car there--how far is Southis whatever its called from bar?

 

[Safeguard]

Hi Katt

how ya doing !!

He was actually working for Logistics. He was warehouse lead. Not a temp. I'll try and grab that link. Oh, and my cousins are my best friends!

https://www.everipedia.com/zachmarr16/

 

[CARIIS]

A couple of random thoughts.

Why was he spending his bday with his cousin and not any of his friends?

Even though he was working full time, it was in a warehouse and for Randstad, a temp agency (deduced from his Instagram, wearing one of their lanyards). Having worked those type of jobs in my past, they are high pressure and there is a constant push on the workers to meet deadlines (which are usually unrealistic). I can imagine working that type of job combined with school would have him feeling constantly on edge with the fear of failure always looming.

I could just be projecting a bit, but I don't feel he was living the carefree life of some 22yo students I know. Add the death of his grandmother and I could see him at the verge of a breaking point.

Not that I'm suggesting he harmed himself, resorted to drugs, or anything like that. It is just something that hasn't been touched on, afaik.

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Why was he spending his bday with his cousin and not any of his friends?

I wondered that also -made me think lonely.

Interesting post ty!

 

[Trilogy]

Have found the last flurry of posts interesting. I have to play devil's advocate though, hoping as a parent that there wasn't some sort of meet up gone sour behind all of this.

He does seem to be heading somewhere in the second frame. He could be retracing his steps to the parking garage where their car was, figuring "I might miss them coming out, but I'll surely see them at the car." Plus, it would be a bit warmer inside?

The surveillance photos are hard, because they are stills from a video, so we really only see one moment in time. It suggests intent, direction of travel, etc. but shouldn't be relied on to tell as much of a story as has been suggested, IMHO.

Here's a question -- if Snapchat images disappear after a matter of seconds, how would the cousin know the exact time one was received? I could ask my kids the particulars, but they're asleep

Lastly, and again just my opinion, the bar really doesn't owe the public a view of their video. It'd be nice to help fill in some of the many gaps in the story, but maybe they've been asked (or advised) not to share it. I'm thinking there's much that hasn't been shared yet, and that this investigation is quite active, behind the scenes.

 

[CARIIS]

Assuming my crazy scenario is true--( i think it is)-I now bet this case gets solved quicker than expected. Because if he stumbled into the water who knows if they ever find the body. There is most likely another party involved that had to be in contact with Zach via phone or text. Cops must have that number.

RE:who knows if they ever find the body

and i help but pondering if no foul in play , i wonder if "a body" would answer any questions.

Like would a push in the water by someone "look"and different than a stumble , or an intentional act?

It woud seem to me if there was violence involved that would answer some questions in terms of finding a body.

It has also crossed my mind (came with the zipper thing someone posted a while back) if we might be talking about a sex attack, throwing body in water can help diminsh DNA evidence left behind

 

[cdogstu99]

oh goodness I never thought they had a car there. That makes everything more confusing.

No reason not to go to car and wait IMO

really cold out garage open 24 hrs-- good place for the homeless to rest

Garage are creepy places at 2 in morn! Now wondering if he was hurt in a garage. I am sure he "looked" homeless

lordy!

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...nst-the-homeless-remain-a-problem.html?pg=all

Cog help!!

Was the direction he was walking toward a prking garage?

Very bothersome if they had car there--how far is Southis whatever its called from bar?

Yes Parcel7 garage on Blackstone Street only a few minutes away and in direction he is headed. Cant assume she drove though. Might have definitely been an Uber kind of night.

 

[Safeguard]

Have found the last flurry of posts interesting. I have to play devil's advocate though, hoping as a parent that there wasn't some sort of meet up gone sour behind all of this.

He does seem to be heading somewhere in the second frame. He could be retracing his steps to the parking garage where their car was, figuring "I might miss them coming out, but I'll surely see them at the car." Plus, it would be a bit warmer inside?

The surveillance photos are hard, because they are stills from a video, so we really only see one moment in time. It suggests intent, direction of travel, etc. but shouldn't be relied on to tell as much of a story as has been suggested, IMHO.

Here's a question -- if Snapchat images disappear after a matter of seconds, how would the cousin know the exact time one was received? I could ask my kids the particulars, but they're asleep

Lastly, and again just my opinion, the bar really doesn't owe the public a view of their video. It'd be nice to help fill in some of the many gaps in the story, but maybe they've been asked (or advised) not to share it. I'm thinking there's much that hasn't been shared yet, and that this investigation is quite active, behind the scenes.

Amanda said she texted him at 1:41, (where are you), and he texted back. Texts would show time.

 

[Trilogy]

Yeah, got it. For some reason, I had Snapchatting back and forth in my head. Texts I get, and even use, on occasion.

 

[rotary_dial]

He was actually working for Logistics. He was warehouse lead. Not a temp. I'll try and grab that link. Oh, and my cousins are my best friends!

https://www.everipedia.com/zachmarr16/

Thanks for the info. Some of the reviews workers have given the place:
http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Quiet-Logistics/reviews?fcountry=US

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[los2188]

Just posted another case of a young man stepping outside from a bar to smoke in Chicago, and hasn't been seen since..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301269


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[kimmie0313]

http://savannahnow.com/stories/042806/3826608.shtml#.VsqtNcnTnqA
I hope I was able to do that link correctly, as I am on my phone. I remember when this gentleman was missing, and was later found in in small room that housed the air conditioning unit. I wonder if possibly Mr. Marr could have attempting to get warm from the bitter cold, and perhaps stepped into a side room in a parking garage and hasn't been found

 

[CARIIS]

http://savannahnow.com/stories/042806/3826608.shtml#.VsqtNcnTnqA
I hope I was able to do that link correctly, as I am on my phone. I remember when this gentleman was missing, and was later found in in small room that housed the air conditioning unit. I wonder if possibly Mr. Marr could have attempting to get warm from the bitter cold, and perhaps stepped into a side room in a parking garage and hasn't been found

and someone earlier said an interesting thing - it had been so cold for a bit, and lots of folks stayed in etc so there were a lot less "eyes"
around the city - so maybe more clues and stuff might emerge now that weather is better

 

[Esse]

But now --i'm positive that the picture where he's walking is in the position that i pointed out. BUT i can't tell if that first one where he is standing in the window is in the same spot. It actually looks like it could be the other side of Boston Public Market where he WOULD be able to see the Bell In Hand. Anyone help me with this?

I think both pics, 1:40 and 1:44 are from at the same store because of the writing in the white banner (backwards). It looks to be same.

 

[sun16]

Thanks. It depends where you're going to in Southie, but approximately 3-4 miles. You'd definitely want to drive or taxi back there from downtown Boston--NOT walk.

 

[Esse]

Amanda was right...Zach wasn't really blitzed..he walked down the street in a few minutes to get to the other side of Boston Public Market. That second picture now looks to me like he is about to get in someone's car.

I believe the second picture is of Zach on his phone, probably telling Amanda that he can't get back in. She said that a few calls went back and forth. He may have been pacing around a bit just to keep warm.

 

[CARIIS]

RE: Hart case/Police handling of the case

This must have been really rough

On Tuesday, March 16 at around 2:45 p.m., a family friend made a grim discovery just three-quarters of a mile from where Hart had last been seen. Hart’s body was found washed up against a tree limb in the rain-swollen Woonasqatucket River in Providence, “half in and half out” of the water . It was recovered by rescue crews from the Providence Fire Department.

Creepy: Hart was a licensed and experienced scuba diver......

I would think so :
“When a sudden death happens in an unusual place under unusual circumstances, it’s suspicious.”
– Maj. Thomas F. Oates III, Providence Police Department

blood-alcohol level was more than .25.- Dont know his weight but that is 10 drinks Use d 180 pomds

“most with levels between .21 and .29 would be subject to memory blackouts, staggering, double vision, loss of understanding of surroundings, poor judgment, impaired reactions and loss of balance.”

Now this is messed up:
Ruled his death drowning, while Hart’s family said Hart’s body had numerous injuries that suggested he had been in a fight, including: a broken cheekbone, jaw, eye socket, chipped tooth, cuts on his lips and knuckles, injuries to his palm and bruises on both legs in the same location.

but
body had been in the fast- flowing Woonasquatucket River for an estimated 2-3 days

Providence detective, Mark Sacco, who began investigating the case one day before Hart was found owns the property that the Red Room bar sits on. The bar itself is owned by Rebecca Caroll, the wife of Providence police detective, Shawn Carroll.

police returned Hart’s iPhone to the family in approximately 5 pieces. Officers told the family that even State Police experts were unable to retrieve any information from it because it had been in the water.


– Alfred Demirjian, data recovery expert “This [phone] definitely wasn’t in the water, definitely, 100 percent, this was not in the water.”

The Hart family was able to take the phone to data recovery experts at TechFusion. The company found that the phone could not possibly have been in contact with water, as stated in the police report.

muddy T-shirt and contrasting clean dress shirt --Could this inciate murdered else-where, clean shirt put on and dumped?

..................somehow tumbled into a fenced-off river nearby and drowned.
“You can’t fall into this river. So I need to know what really happened,”

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2010/11/02/drunken-accident-or-murder-mystery/ https://www.geneseo.edu/webfm_send/4289

https://mindandmotive.wordpress.com/2013/04/14/greg-hart-and-the-smiley-faces-left-behind/

https://www.change.org/p/the-murder-of-gregory-hart-and-the-providence-police-department-cover-up-2

ABC6.com