Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 10

[CourtScribe]

Au contraire, Reannon!
It is precisely their actions/inaction after her disappearance that raises the most glaring flags!
** Within 2 days of her disappearance, parents fly out 2 UK lawyers!
** Within 2 weeks, a Campaign Fund (?) is set up for donations through PayPal and 2 websites seeking the donations, which are now over $! million!
** Parents have never searched nor hired private investigators to do so for their daughter!
** Time is focused on increasing $ fund, public events, tv interviews, absurd events like Balloon Release, Glasgow Pipe Playing (which only 20 attended!) and traveling to cities that have reported NO SIGTINGS to post flyers and meet with politicians (???).
I'm interested to hear what others think of them post May 3.

 

[Reannan]

The parents and friends should be among the first people that are viewed as suspects in any crime involving children. Sadly, most crimes against children originate from the group of people who should be protecting the child. I am not sure why viewing the McCann's and their friends as suspects is any more of an issue than questioning Robert Murat. He was a complete stranger, as far as we know, until he inserted himself into the investigation. There are rumors that he knew Russel O'Brien, but those rumors are as vague and unsubstantiated as anything we have heard about the McCann's. I believe the confusion surrounding this case evolves from the language differences and information being added, deleted, or changed during the translation. I also think the secrecy laws of the Portugese legal system has been a huge hindrence. It has left the public with nothing other than rumors and misinterpretations to deal with.

 

[april4sky]

Sorry, I disagree strongly. Everything that came after they left their children at the mercy whomever took her is their fault.

It seems we definately disagree then.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

It seems we definately disagree then.

Well, let me put it to you this way. If you take an infant in a car seat and place it in the middle of the highway, whose fault is it when the child gets hit by a car??? The car or the person who put her there?

 

[april4sky]

Well, let me put it to you this way. If you take an infant in a car seat and place it in the middle of the highway, whose fault is it when the child gets hit by a car??? The car or the person who put her there?

Well in that case I would completely agree with you, the person.
Hardly the same though. I would even expect the child to be run over in that case. The car also has a right to be on the highway.
I would not expect somebody to, nor do they have the right to break into somebody's apartment and steal their child.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Well in that case I would completely agree with you, the person.
Hardly the same though. I would even expect the child to be run over in that case. The car also has a right to be on the highway.
I would not expect somebody to, nor do they have the right to break into somebody's apartment and steal their child.

Yeah, but as a parent, don't you agree that you MUST consider every possibility? Even if you were not concerned necessarily with an intruder, what about a fire? What about one of the children choking on something? Parents who think about these things DO NOT leave their young children alone. That's why young children HAVE parents in the first place. Because they are too young to take care of themselves should the unthinkable happen. There are laws in place that make it ILLEGAL to leave small children unattended for these very reasons. When we hear of children being taken from their homes in the middle of the night even while adults are present, it should make us even more vigilent in making sure their protected, NOT LESS. I think its appauling that any grown person would leave children alone to fend for themselves and, when something terrible happens to the children, which is a very distinct possibility, I feel bad for the children--NOT the parents who damn well should have known better.

 

[CarpeDiem]

Interesting article about woman whom lives above the apartment the McCann's were staying in:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/16750/Widow-with-vital-clues-was-never-questioned-

 

[Reannan]

Au contraire, Reannon!
It is precisely their actions/inaction after her disappearance that raises the most glaring flags!
** Within 2 days of her disappearance, parents fly out 2 UK lawyers!
** Within 2 weeks, a Campaign Fund (?) is set up for donations through PayPal and 2 websites seeking the donations, which are now over $! million!
** Parents have never searched nor hired private investigators to do so for their daughter!
** Time is focused on increasing $ fund, public events, tv interviews, absurd events like Balloon Release, Glasgow Pipe Playing (which only 20 attended!) and traveling to cities that have reported NO SIGTINGS to post flyers and meet with politicians (???).
I'm interested to hear what others think of them post May 3.

Don't get me wrong....I also am TOTALLY confused and uncomfortable with the actions of both the parents and friends after the disappearnce. There are glaring examples of behavior that makes no sense whatsoever in the context of what we know. For example, Kate running from the apartment after discovering Madeleine missing and leaving the twins behind is just inexplicable. With all of that said, here is my take on your interesting points:

** Within 2 days of her disappearance, parents fly out 2 UK lawyers!*
I don't find this strange at all. If I were in a foreign country and realized that I was dealing with a legal system that made no sense to me, i.e. the secrecy laws, I would want legal advice from people who would understand my language, and the legal system of my own country.

** Within 2 weeks, a Campaign Fund (?) is set up for donations through PayPal and 2 websites seeking the donations, which are now over $! million!**
The entire situation rapidly became an international event. It has been unprecidented. These types of events always generate people who want to help, and immediately, people begin to offer money. If you recall, the very early reports stated that she had been abducted by an international pedophile ring! I remember thinking then, WTF? I do believe international pedophile rings exist, but I remain unclear how anyone would know right off the bat that this is what had happened. If I were the parent of a child who had been abducted by one, I would assume that I would need a lot of money to locate my child. As far as I know, we really don't know how the McCann's are using the money at this point. That is something that should be monitored and questioned, and I am confident time will reveal a lot about this aspect of the case. I am sure the relevations will be interesting.

** Parents have never searched nor hired private investigators to do so for their daughter!**
I would have hired a PI within the hour. Do we know for a fact that they haven't? I would imagine that there are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that we do not know about. The frequent comments about the parents not looking for their daughter themselves always leaves me a bit perplexed. How would one go about doing this? Take for example, the reports of the recent Belgium sighting. If the McCann's got on a plane and flew to Belgium....what do they do after the get off of the plane? Go to the restraunt where she was seen.....and then do what? They are physicians, not detectives, so I don't find it strange that they are relying on LE to investigate the many sightings. The other trips they have taken have been public relations events. I don't have a problem with this either because I think keeping the case in the public's eye is very important. Ask Ed Smart. He did it by frequent news conferences, etc. when Elizabeth was missing. Under the secrecy laws of the Portugese legal system where the case is being investigated, the issues are very different.

CourtScribe, you and I probably think a lot more alike than you realize. From all of the evidence that we DO have, and from reading huge statements between the lines, I do not think a stranger walked in to that apartment and walked out with Madeleine. I believe the family or friends are involved, OR I also believe it is possible that Madeleine walked out of the apartment onto the street, and a passerby took her....in a car. The evidence, argues against this, however; namely the findings of the cadaver dogs. Thanks for your questions. It is always helpful to think through what we know in this manner. I look forward to hearing other's opinions also.

 

[april4sky]

Yeah, but as a parent, don't you agree that you MUST consider every possibility? Even if you were not concerned necessarily with an intruder, what about a fire? What about one of the children choking on something? Parents who think about these things DO NOT leave their young children alone. That's why young children HAVE parents in the first place. Because they are too young to take care of themselves should the unthinkable happen. There are laws in place that make it ILLEGAL to leave small children unattended for these very reasons. When we hear of children being taken from their homes in the middle of the night even while adults are present, it should make us even more vigilent in making sure their protected, NOT LESS. I think its appauling that any grown person would leave children alone to fend for themselves and, when something terrible happens to the children, which is a very distinct possibility, I feel bad for the children--NOT the parents who damn well should have known better.

Jeana, please don't misunderstand me. I completely agree with you that the children should not have been left alone. I have said that all along.
But from that point on I cannot put the blame anywhere but on the evil person who took Madeleine. And none of us yet have a clue who that is.
Hopefully for everyone's sanity we will find out soon.
Still hoping for a happy ending but sadly its not looking good.

 

[angarella]

Jeana, please don't misunderstand me. I completely agree with you that the children should not have been left alone. I have said that all along.
But from that point on I cannot put the blame anywhere but on the evil person who took Madeleine. And none of us yet have a clue who that is.
Hopefully for everyone's sanity we will find out soon.
Still hoping for a happy ending but sadly its not looking good.

BUT, if the selfish (IMO) parents had not left them alone in the first place, she never would have disappeared/been murdered. So, yes, it is their fault. Totally their fault that they cared more about wining, dining and partying then about their kids. They had a choice and an opportunity to get a sitter. They declined it.

 

[Salem]

BUT, if the selfish (IMO) parents had not left them alone in the first place, she never would have disappeared/been murdered. So, yes, it is their fault. Totally their fault that they cared more about wining, dining and partying then about their kids. They had a choice and an opportunity to get a sitter. They declined it.

And keeping in mind that this was NOT the only evening they left these babies alone. What if Maddie would have gone missing the night they were down the street at the other restrauant? Who was checking on the children then? Apparently no one....

Can we turn this discussion around a little and talk about all of the positive things the McCanns have done to find Maddie? The only thing I can think of is keeping her name in the media. Anyone else have anything?

Salem

 

[Salem]

Interesting article about woman whom lives above the apartment the McCann's were staying in:

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/16750/Widow-with-vital-clues-was-never-questioned-

I can't even read the comments that are posted following this article, they make me so mad:furious:

Maybe, if Mrs. Fenn would have called the police when the downstairs children were crying something would be different here. But I really believe that Mrs. Fenn did what she thought was right and best by complaining to management at MW, who then AGAIN, tried to inform the McCanns about the burgarlies and why a child minding service of some type would be a good idea. Still management was IGNORED. How the hell do you excuse that? How? I don't get it. These are adults with what would appear to be some kind of intelligence - they did get through med school - which we read about in every flippin' article that is written about them. So how the hell could they be so NONCARING when it came to their own children.

I'm angry, very angry at these two very stupid people. It is a wonder that the twins are still with them.

Okay - obviously I need to take a break here. These fine upstanding DOCTOR citizens of the world are just too much for me today!

JDee - I'm screaming inside my head today for these kids too!

Salem

 

[Reannan]

Salem, you are exactly correct. It is beyond belief that this family went through the trouble of invitro fertilization to have these children, and then they just abandon them in an unsecured room in a foreign country. I just don't get it.

 

[Texana]

Yes, stranger abduction is rare and perhaps the McCanns shouldn't be faulted too heavily for not considering that.

However, doctors in the US all do a required stint in ER. I would guess that doctors in the UK do the same thing? as part of their medical school training.

Every doctor I've had, if the subject came up, had at least one gruesome story from working in the ER about accidents that happen to children, especially ones left alone, Freak falling off the bed injuries, ingesting small items or balloons, drownings being perhaps the most common. Even one of the horrific "backing over your own child in the driveway" happened to a doctor whose two year old had never before opened the door on his own before he rushed out the door to follow Daddy.

So for the McCanns to be completely oblivious to putting their children in danger is nonsense. They took a calculated risk, that's all.

And according to the widow's testimony, they had arrived home the previous evening, having left the children alone, to a child awake and crying.

So they knew very well that at least one child did wake up when left alone, but they did it again anyway.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around that fact.

 

[Jdee]

I hear ya Salem....Sometimes we do need to take a step back or the screaming gets too loud.

 

[Morag]

A few days ago it was reported that the McCanns had not told police of their meal out with Madeleine at about 630pm on the night she disappeared. The owner of the restaurant offered law enforcement the opportunity to see the cctv footage from the restaurant.

Perhaps the meal was not mentioned because the outfit Madeleine was wearing is not available to show. If she was wearing a little blue sunsuit (for example) on the footage, then the McCanns should- should- be able to produce it. Otherwise, there would be a real question as to what became of it.

 

[RPPaolin]

Interesting. There is some opportunity there.

 

[angarella]

I can't even read the comments that are posted following this article, they make me so mad:furious:

Maybe, if Mrs. Fenn would have called the police when the downstairs children were crying something would be different here. But I really believe that Mrs. Fenn did what she thought was right and best by complaining to management at MW, who then AGAIN, tried to inform the McCanns about the burgarlies and why a child minding service of some type would be a good idea. Still management was IGNORED. How the hell do you excuse that? How? I don't get it. These are adults with what would appear to be some kind of intelligence - they did get through med school - which we read about in every flippin' article that is written about them. So how the hell could they be so NONCARING when it came to their own children.

I'm angry, very angry at these two very stupid people. It is a wonder that the twins are still with them.

Okay - obviously I need to take a break here. These fine upstanding DOCTOR citizens of the world are just too much for me today!

JDee - I'm screaming inside my head today for these kids too!

Salem

IMO, they should not be. I apologize for my earlier post. I was angry when I posted it and I still am. I have read about this case for quite a while, but have never posted until my last post. Perhaps, I should keep it that way, because I am very angry at these """""""Parents""""""!

 

[angarella]

A few days ago it was reported that the McCanns had not told police of their meal out with Madeleine at about 630pm on the night she disappeared. The owner of the restaurant offered law enforcement the opportunity to see the cctv footage from the restaurant.

Perhaps the meal was not mentioned because the outfit Madeleine was wearing is not available to show. If she was wearing a little blue sunsuit (for example) on the footage, then the McCanns should- should- be able to produce it. Otherwise, there would be a real question as to what became of it.

Good thinking about the outfit. There has to be a reason they did not relay this info to the police in the first place.

And tell me, how if the McCanns and Madeleine were having a snack/light supper at 6:30 p.m. that they collected their other children and fed them, bathed them, put them to bed (and asleep) and got showered, changed and "dolled up" to be at the Tapas bar by 8:30? Seems a very tight stretch to me..... I think that is what has got me wondering.

Why the withholding of information about the 6:30 "dinner" with Maddie?

How did they get the whole family organized so quickly?

Where where the twins when the 6:30 "dinner" was going on? Why did they not take them also?

Too many questions. Nothing makes sense........

 

[sherri79]

Yes, stranger abduction is rare and perhaps the McCanns shouldn't be faulted too heavily for not considering that.

However, doctors in the US all do a required stint in ER. I would guess that doctors in the UK do the same thing? as part of their medical school training.

Every doctor I've had, if the subject came up, had at least one gruesome story from working in the ER about accidents that happen to children, especially ones left alone, Freak falling off the bed injuries, ingesting small items or balloons, drownings being perhaps the most common. Even one of the horrific "backing over your own child in the driveway" happened to a doctor whose two year old had never before opened the door on his own before he rushed out the door to follow Daddy.

So for the McCanns to be completely oblivious to putting their children in danger is nonsense. They took a calculated risk, that's all.

And according to the widow's testimony, they had arrived home the previous evening, having left the children alone, to a child awake and crying.

So they knew very well that at least one child did wake up when left alone, but they did it again anyway.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around that fact.

that part really bothers me. i cant help but think how scary it must have been for those babies to wake in a strange place all alone. a 3 year old in a darkened room in a strange place and nobody was there for her. i look at my kids and think how scared they would be if they woke in the middle of the night and i was gone. and mine are 8 and 12. then these sorry excuse for parents come back and find their baby crying and they leave her again the next night. to me it is just cruel.