Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 2

[RoughlyCollie]

Yes, and it seems to me that the strangeness of the place would have made her less apt to venture out. I guess it depends on the child, and we don't know much about Madeleine's personality or habits.

Anyway, these are just my thoughts on why the mother would immediately think Madeleine was kidnapped.

This is the first time I've heard of parents in this strata of society leaving their children alone. Sure, I know it happens, but every time I've heard of it, the parent(s) are druggies or prostitutes or somehow fully caught up in a disreputable lifestyle.

A million people could post on here that it was normal for parents with their cultural/educational/socioeconomic background to do this, and I still wouldn't agree that it was either smart or responsible parenting.

I live in a small, safe town with hardly any crime. We have a 90 pound dog. I will leave my 13 year old triplets at home while I go grocery shopping, but only if at least 2 of them are there, along with the dog.

There are too many things that can happen to toddlers who are left alone, or not watched carefully. We had locks on our toilet seats to prevent a head-heavy toddler from leaning over the toilet and falling in and drowning, for example.

I may be more of a safety nut than some parents because I had triplets and then one more child born 1.5 years later. I had to fully gear up for childproofing and childcare because it is hard to keep one's eye on 4 little kids at the same time. (The minute I had to change a diaper, the 3 remaining kids would giggle and run into another room, just to tease me.) For years, we'd hire 2 babysitters if we went out, which was seldom, so that one sitter wouldn't be overwhelmed by the 4 kids.

But safety nut or not, there is no way I can be persuaded that it is reasonable to leave such small kids alone for any amount of time.

Madeleine could have wandered off or she could have been kidnapped. The police seem pretty sure she was kidnapped at this point, though.

She was in a strange country in a strange room with no parental guidance. What she "normally" would have done may not be what happened that evening.

 

[twinkiesmom]

RE: blonde hair light eyed caucasian girls...

There is a wait for babies, not toddlers or preschoolers, regardless of coloring.

There are half a million children in Russian orphanages.

I adopted my daughter at age 4...she had dark blonde hair, very fair, and green eyes. She was waiting for a family...we traveled as soon as our papers were ready.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I hope so too. She could have wandered off, gotten sleepy, and curled up somewhere.

One time when my kids were ages 3, 3, 3, and 2, we hired 2 babysitters (older women) to watch them while we went out to dinner.

One of them played hide-and-go-seek with the triplets. At one point, she could not find one of them anywhere, so she called 911.

The entire police and fire department showed up at my house. They had a dozen men searching outside and inside for my son.

The playroom door to the garage was opened during the search. At the end, when everyone was completely frantic, the babysitter closed that door and happened to look in the built-in cabinet which had low to the floor cubby-holes in it. Two cubbies had been hidden by the open door.

There was my son, clutching his teddy bear, curled up, fast asleep! He had hidden there and he was such a hard sleeper (and still is at age 13) that he didn't wake up even with all the hubbub.

We arrived home about 5 minutes after the emergency personnel had left. Thank God, because if we'd driven up and seen all the police cars and fire engines at our house, lights ablazing, I would have had a heart attack on the spot.

The adoption scenario is the least likely.

I hope they have ruled out a Wade Steffey type scenario by checking every opening, niche, cranny in that complex....even the ones that are supposed to be locked.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

They'd have to search the village -- the resort is not located in just one area.

http://www.markwarner.co.uk/summer_holidays/portugal/ocean_club

" On the western Algarve lies the village of Praia Da Luz, and home to the Ocean Club. The unusual setting of the Ocean Club is just one of the reasons why this Mark Warner destination is so unique. A series of private areas, surrounded by individual villa-style accommodations dotted throughout an independently working village gives a sense of space and personality whilst having the exclusive Mark Warner holiday facilities that make a holiday with us so different."


"Childcare
Located in the Waterside Garden is our fully equipped childcare centre offering our award winning childcare for children aged 4 months and upwards. There is a colourful crèche with an outdoor play area and the nannies organise regular beach trips and other supervised fun activities for the children. Hours are 9am till 12.30pm and 2.30pm to 5.30pm.
We offer a ‘dining out service’ (only available for parents using the Millenium and Tapas restaurants). in the crèche on a drop-in basis in the evenings for children aged 4 months to 9 years. For those parents wishing to dine at alternative restaurants in the village, babysitting is available on request at additional charge. "


http://www.markwarner.co.uk/summer_holidays/portugal/ocean_club/childcare

 

[scandi]

I find the underlined an odd thing for the mother to say... /Is it a known fact she said this? Why was it "They" have taken her? I would have come in screaming, "SHE'S GONE!" Who is "They"??

Good Morning

Hi Dee, Evidently the person who posted this also thought it odd, because the last sentence of her paragraph was that this was told by a family member of the McCanns. I agree it is odd too. There were several posters that came on and said they had heard talk the parents had said they felt like they were being watched, but you just never know if a thought put out there like that is a red herring or true.

 

[Jdee]

Hi Scandi! There seems to be a lot of mis-information in this case because of the closed mouth of the police involved not releasing information. I have my doubts about the 'being watched' statement for several reasons... it is bad enough they left the kids alone but to do so feeling you were being watched? That does not jive.
It was on sky news this morning they were reinterviewing two people again;
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1266986,00.html
I have a strong feeling that there is more going on here than they are telling. Maybe it's all smoke and mirrors but I feel SOMETHING keeps sending the police back to this group of people.

 

[scandi]

To Scandi, your posts and links have really got me thinking, there are to many discrepancies. There are to many scenarios and assumptions and I for one am guilty for speculating what may have happened. We have to wait for definite and true fact from the police and investigators. But I still and in no way can anyone change my mind think the parents are involved in some way as well as being negligent in the care of their children. Until Madelaine is found or more competant witnesses come forward we dont really know what happened. Let us pray for Madelaine.

Scandi have you ever thought about a career in this field. Your interest and talent of such matters is enlightening.

LOL, you are too kind Shazza, but I do wish I had gone into investigative work when I was a young chickie!

Hi Laurajean and MoonGoddess << wavy guy>> Welcome aboard! I don't have much time as I have to get to work, but thought your posts both very interesting.

If you look at an ariel view of the development it would be hard for a toddler to make their way to the ocean I think, and also what the tide takes out it also brings back unless it gets caught in rocks under water. This is a sandy beach area, so I can't imagine this is what happened.

And during the Elizabeth Smart case we went over Satanic worship traditions quite heavily. I would ask if there is a lot of this type of activity in Portugal. There could be as it is the opposite of Catholicism and sometimes they go side by side acc to history. But one thing I know is that she actually went missing on May 5th acc the Missing Persons Report {which I have linked on one of the last 2 pages}. In America it was 11:50pm on May 3rdwhen they made the actual log in, so either LE had the date wrong or the fact in Portugal the time diff of 8 hours {PCT} made up for the diff in the date. That would be 4 days after the hour of sacrifice.

Gotta run but will check in later! Scandi

 

[Floh]

Good Morning,

Hi Shazza, No problem, and I think we see things pretty myuch eye to eye. ;}

I did a lot of reading last night on the Google site devoted to Madeline and it really was an interesting read. Our Floh may be Mod there.

I am — i swore i wouldn't ever moderate again, but got my better nature appealed to and it was only going to be until Madeleine came home and she should be home now and i'm really very very worried about her.

i had to come here to have a break from there for a moment and what do i do but come to this thread, for goodness sake!

anything i can assist in to see this girl come home - i have to believe - i will do, but darn it! mods here. you know i really do and always have appreciated you, don't you! :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

 

[scandi]

I did just hear on FOX that LE is going down to Morocco {maybe Monaco ;} today. That is good.

I read the account by the lady who saw Madeline at the gas station. Madeline was standing in a hallway of the station with a man close by watching her, and this lady made eye contact directly with her she said. Two attendents were standing there and when the lady looked over to them they all kind of gave a
'look' to each other, as in my, this is a strange situation. Madeline was in blue pajamas and had a very lost, bewilered look on her face. I believe this lady lives locally and was on her way back up from vacation.

I hope LE wants to interview these attendents. I think they are doing a really thorough job!

Well, now I need to get a great map. I know the resort is down in the SW corner of Portugal on the oceanfront. I wonder how far away that is from the gas station? What I'm thinking is this sighting was what, 6 days after she was taken. Hadn't they changed her clothes? I might have this sighting confused with another one, so if anyone knows it would be great to get that straight! LOLO

 

[scandi]

It was Morocco which is at Gibralter. I found an article about the sighting I hadn't seen before:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21760367-2,00.html
Snippet
" . . . Mrs Olli, who was on holiday in Marrakech, which has a population of about two million, said she was "very sure" it was Madeleine.

"I walked into the petrol station and saw the little girl standing there. She looked sad.

"When the man saw me looking at them he turned away, so I couldn't see his face.

"It's very strange. If it was me with a child there, I would hold their hand, but this man was a metre away from her.

"At 6pm the next day I turned on the news in Spain and got a real shock, because it was definitely her.

"All that evening I was physically sick. I was calling all the police, but no one wanted to talk to me. I was phoning the Spanish police about 20 times.

"We then phoned Leicestershire (England) police, who took my report and said it was a 'very strong observation'.

"But since then nobody has phoned me back.

"It's a nightmare. I feel I should have done something, that I should have looked after that girl in some way."

Scandi

 

[CarpeDiem]

This new article is good for information, covers the new suspects, police blunders, includes pics:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...ased as poli<br />ce errors emerge/article.do

 

[mjak]

I am — i swore i wouldn't ever moderate again, but got my better nature appealed to and it was only going to be until Madeleine came home and she should be home now and i'm really very very worried about her.

i had to come here to have a break from there for a moment and what do i do but come to this thread, for goodness sake!

anything i can assist in to see this girl come home - i have to believe - i will do, but darn it! mods here. you know i really do and always have appreciated you, don't you! :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

Floh can you post a link to your site? I would be intrested to check it out.

mjak

 

[scandi]

Floh can you post a link to your site? I would be intrested to check it out.

mjak

Hi Mjak, Here is a link to their home page: http://formadeleine.proboards106.com/index.cgi

I just joined as I go there and read every day and it is very well organized and moderated! LOLOLOLOL There are some great sleuthers over there including locals which I love to read.

Scandi

 

[scandi]

This new article is good for information, covers the new suspects, police blunders, includes pics:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...ased as poli<br />ce errors emerge/article.do

Hi Carpe, I read today that Luis Antonio is the current pool tender at the resort where the McCanns are staying, so would have had the opportunity to learn the family schedule and learn quite a bit about watching them.

Good article. Thanx Sweetie! Scandi

 

[Floh]

Floh can you post a link to your site? I would be intrested to check it out.

mjak

It isn't my site.

you would have to register now if you want to view. too much trouble with trolls made us have that rule.

i wouldn't post a link unless it was agreed by admin here.

 

[Floh]

oops. too late. Scandi dun it already.

like i say, guest viewing no longer allowed.

there is quite a lot of good stuff there but the chatting on the threads not for chatting slows looking for the interesting parts down, unfortunately. IMO.

and we do have a portuguese journo who regularly reports.

this site was born out of Steve Huff's crimeblog, although it is not affilliated. it was a group wo got together after posting many, many comments on his board.

http://crimeblog.us/

 

[Tori2]

Scandi,
As the others have expressed, but I want to reiterate, thanks so much for supplying us with so much info!! I'm in school so I can only really come on a lot during the summer. I really rely on you for so much of the information. You're better than Greta and Nancy Grace!!

 

[Tori2]

Carpe and Floh,

Thanks to you guys, too!! You are true-blue websleuthers!!

 

[Floh]

Hi Mjak, Here is a link to their home page: http://formadeleine.proboards106.com/index.cgi

I just joined as I go there and read every day and it is very well organized and moderated! LOLOLOLOL There are some great sleuthers over there including locals which I love to read.

Scandi

Yes there ARE some great sleuthers there!

the board is temporary as long as Madeleine is missing r until it feels like time to call the board a day.

i have no interest in getting involved in another board long term at all.

and the only subject really and truelyy is Madeleine (apparently the family don't call her Maddie).

 

[Floh]

Hi Carpe, I read today that Luis Antonio is the current pool tender at the resort where the McCanns are staying, so would have had the opportunity to learn the family schedule and learn quite a bit about watching them.

Good article. Thanx Sweetie! Scandi

This is the biggest red flag yet, to my mind!