Yes, cot means crib.
It just sounds as if Madeleine was a "made-to-order" kidnapping. IMO, taking one of the younger children would've made more sense.
Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 4
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Yes, cot means crib.
It just sounds as if Madeleine was a "made-to-order" kidnapping. IMO, taking one of the younger children would've made more sense.
I dont know if this has been posted already and I apologise if it has.
Tip proves to be false.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=273484
Tip proves to be false.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=273484
I hadn't heard that before now Dingo, thanks for posting that. It does give me hope to see that people are watching for her.
Thanks, I hadn't heard that they think she's "on a trip". How sad.
A body language expert's opinion would be interesting.
Even when mentioning the second scenario, I hadn't thought about the parents traveling as a way to deflect attention from the local area - great point!
I, too, think it's odd that we haven't heard from any of the other couples - but I thought maybe I just missed an article or something, or because it's a different country and the laws are different, maybe they couldn't talk. :waitasec:
Excellent point! I thought the same thing about "they took" instead of "someone took" when I read that quote, too. Welcome to WS, by the way.
The more time that goes by, the more bugged I am about this case. So many things have nagged at me ever since we started hearing that the official story from the parents and Portugal LE wasn't exactly the truth.
Parents claim that they were just "yards" from the hotel (it's like being in your garden and leaving the children in the house, says mother Kate), and then we learn it was at least the length of a football field between the room and the restaurant.
Family/friends were checking the children every half-hour, but the restaurant staff says nobody left the table until 10:00.
The window and shutters were jemmied, but later we found out the door had been left unlocked. First they said it was because of possible fire (I guess in the event of a blaze Madeleine was supposed to rescue the babies), and later it was because they didn't want to disturb the kids by unlocking the door (meaning whomever checked wouldn't be able to immediately pop back out but would be stuck settling the child back to sleep).
Kate went to check on the kids at 10:00 and ran back to the restaurant screaming, "They've taken her". Not "I can't find Madeleine" or "Madeleine's gone".
Once notified of her disappearance, LE took its sweet time notifying border guards to check outgoing traffic from Portugal and putting out Madeleine's description. They didn't look door-to-door or begin searching vehicles exiting Praia da Luz or check boats in the marina. Apparently LE has not followed up on the sighting of Madeleine in Morocco in mid-May nor are they taking other sightings seriously.
We don't know anything about the other families traveling with the McCanns in Portugal, nor has their nanny spoken up.
Eleven days after Madeleine disappeared, LE began investigating Robert Murat when he seemed to be too interested in the case and said his estranged daughter looked just like Madeleine. His computer held evidence of child
, but nothing's been said about results of DNA evidence or searches of his house. Then a credible report comes in about where her body might be located, but a limited team of officers conduct a very brief search and say no, it's fake. How would seven people searching for 3 hours find anything after six weeks without a more thorough search?
And on top of everything we have the parents who jet all over Europe and blog about how much time it takes them to jog up the hill. Instead of spending donated money hiring private investigators or professional search teams, they seem to have snapped out of their grieving mode long enough to conduct a photo op with their children. I imagine it was due to criticism that they aren't spending enough time with Sean and Amelie, but they smile as if nothing in their world is wrong. I know they are trying to carry on like normal for the twins, but I don't see any strain in Kate and Gerry's faces. They look like they're on vacation. Even allowing for British reserve and the fact that everyone grieves differently, but I almost feel as if this has become more about Gerry and Kate than Madeleine.
Maybe I'm being picky, but this whole case stinks to high heaven.
Parents claim that they were just "yards" from the hotel (it's like being in your garden and leaving the children in the house, says mother Kate), and then we learn it was at least the length of a football field between the room and the restaurant.
Family/friends were checking the children every half-hour, but the restaurant staff says nobody left the table until 10:00.
The window and shutters were jemmied, but later we found out the door had been left unlocked. First they said it was because of possible fire (I guess in the event of a blaze Madeleine was supposed to rescue the babies), and later it was because they didn't want to disturb the kids by unlocking the door (meaning whomever checked wouldn't be able to immediately pop back out but would be stuck settling the child back to sleep).
Kate went to check on the kids at 10:00 and ran back to the restaurant screaming, "They've taken her". Not "I can't find Madeleine" or "Madeleine's gone".
Once notified of her disappearance, LE took its sweet time notifying border guards to check outgoing traffic from Portugal and putting out Madeleine's description. They didn't look door-to-door or begin searching vehicles exiting Praia da Luz or check boats in the marina. Apparently LE has not followed up on the sighting of Madeleine in Morocco in mid-May nor are they taking other sightings seriously.
We don't know anything about the other families traveling with the McCanns in Portugal, nor has their nanny spoken up.
Eleven days after Madeleine disappeared, LE began investigating Robert Murat when he seemed to be too interested in the case and said his estranged daughter looked just like Madeleine. His computer held evidence of child
, but nothing's been said about results of DNA evidence or searches of his house. Then a credible report comes in about where her body might be located, but a limited team of officers conduct a very brief search and say no, it's fake. How would seven people searching for 3 hours find anything after six weeks without a more thorough search?And on top of everything we have the parents who jet all over Europe and blog about how much time it takes them to jog up the hill. Instead of spending donated money hiring private investigators or professional search teams, they seem to have snapped out of their grieving mode long enough to conduct a photo op with their children. I imagine it was due to criticism that they aren't spending enough time with Sean and Amelie, but they smile as if nothing in their world is wrong. I know they are trying to carry on like normal for the twins, but I don't see any strain in Kate and Gerry's faces. They look like they're on vacation. Even allowing for British reserve and the fact that everyone grieves differently, but I almost feel as if this has become more about Gerry and Kate than Madeleine.
Maybe I'm being picky, but this whole case stinks to high heaven.
This is the one thing that has bothered me as well. If I discovered my child missing, I'd for sure wouldn't say "They've taken her", I'd be yelling
"She's gone, I can't find her, she's disappeared"
If she thought the hotel staff had her, wouldn't she have gone straight to the hotel manager, I know I would have. No way I'd have gone back to get hubby first, I'd be getting my kid and fast!
I dont think you are being picky, as Im sure a lot of the other posters dont either. There is more going on here then we are led to believe, I think there is a cover up happening. I just hope we find out in time to save Madelaine if she can be saved.The more time that goes by, the more bugged I am about this case. So many things have nagged at me ever since we started hearing that the official story from the parents and Portugal LE wasn't exactly the truth.
Parents claim that they were just "yards" from the hotel (it's like being in your garden and leaving the children in the house, says mother Kate), and then we learn it was at least the length of a football field between the room and the restaurant.
Family/friends were checking the children every half-hour, but the restaurant staff says nobody left the table until 10:00.
The window and shutters were jemmied, but later we found out the door had been left unlocked. First they said it was because of possible fire (I guess in the event of a blaze Madeleine was supposed to rescue the babies), and later it was because they didn't want to disturb the kids by unlocking the door (meaning whomever checked wouldn't be able to immediately pop back out but would be stuck settling the child back to sleep).
Kate went to check on the kids at 10:00 and ran back to the restaurant screaming, "They've taken her". Not "I can't find Madeleine" or "Madeleine's gone".
Once notified of her disappearance, LE took its sweet time notifying border guards to check outgoing traffic from Portugal and putting out Madeleine's description. They didn't look door-to-door or begin searching vehicles exiting Praia da Luz or check boats in the marina. Apparently LE has not followed up on the sighting of Madeleine in Morocco in mid-May nor are they taking other sightings seriously.
We don't know anything about the other families traveling with the McCanns in Portugal, nor has their nanny spoken up.
Eleven days after Madeleine disappeared, LE began investigating Robert Murat when he seemed to be too interested in the case and said his estranged daughter looked just like Madeleine. His computer held evidence of child
And on top of everything we have the parents who jet all over Europe and blog about how much time it takes them to jog up the hill. Instead of spending donated money hiring private investigators or professional search teams, they seem to have snapped out of their grieving mode long enough to conduct a photo op with their children. I imagine it was due to criticism that they aren't spending enough time with Sean and Amelie, but they smile as if nothing in their world is wrong. I know they are trying to carry on like normal for the twins, but I don't see any strain in Kate and Gerry's faces. They look like they're on vacation. Even allowing for British reserve and the fact that everyone grieves differently, but I almost feel as if this has become more about Gerry and Kate than Madeleine.
Maybe I'm being picky, but this whole case stinks to high heaven.
Hi all,
Sorry I haven't posted in a long time, I come and lurk and hang out every day, but just don't take the time to post. Thinking "What's done is done", I would never want to lay blame on a grieving family knowing it would never bring their child back, but I was really upset at the circumstances leading to the dissapperance.
I wasn't sure who sees this blog so thought I would pass it on as food for thought.
From today's blog at http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/
Someone has sent a letter to the Dutch press claiming that he knows where little Madeleine McCann is buried. Apparently this fellow had sent a similar letter last year when the police were searching for the missing Belgian sisters, Stacy and Nathalie, which arrived just on the day they were found. Is this a hoax or could this be the abductor of all three girls? Now, there was an arrest made in the case of the murdered Belgian girls, but this letter writer is said to have known where they were buried by the train tracks and so the police are taking the Madeleine letter fairly seriously.
Let’s profile this letter and see what the possibilities are. First of all, the Belgian girls were killed within hours of their abduction and if Madeleine’s body really is where this writer says it is – seven miles from the resort from which she was taken – I think we can eliminate the pedophile ring scenario (a scenario I never really bought). The Belgian girls were raped and killed quickly; there was no transporting of them anywhere and certainly no time to do any selling of them or videotaping of them being tortured and murdered. If Madeleine is found right in the vicinity of the resort, we can eliminate any fancy sex ring kidnapping little kids for profit.
Therefore, in both cases, we would have a pedophile or a pedophile duo grabbing and amusing themselves, not involving themselves in organized crime. The letter writer could, in theory, be a traveling man and have gone to Belgium, found a couple of victims, left the country and sent the letter when he was back at home in Holland. He could have been on the road again, come across another child left unattended (the Belgian girls were left to play in the street at midnight while their parents were drinking it up inside a bar), grabbed her, raped her and killed her, and then gone back home to Holland where he once again writes a letter at leisure to the newspaper he must read all the time. He would be a publicity lover and get a kick out of having the girls found and reading about the discovery over his morning coffee. Of course, there was a man convicted of the sisters’ murder but it is possible he isn’t guilty, just a dupe, and the real killer finds this annoying and wants to set the record straight.
This is one possible scenario. However, there is a problem with it. It is said that the letter writer was right on the money as to where the sisters’ bodies would be found. I beg to differ. The letter writer marked a location that turned out to be one mile away from where the girls were found. This wouldn’t be such a big deal if he was one mile off from where he claimed Madeleine would be found – six miles or seven miles on a lonely road – well, maybe he just didn’t remember exactly how far he drove, but being one mile off of the sisters’ dump site is a different story entirely.
The sisters’ bodies were found within 300 meters of the bar, not over a mile from the bar. I would think a killer well know the difference between “at the end of the block” and “more than a mile down the road.” Furthermore, a killer who leaves the kids at the end of the block probably doesn’t have a car and the one who would leave them more than a mile away would have to have a car to carry them that far.
At this point, unless Madeleine is found exactly where the letter writer claims, the letters were probably the work of an armchair detective who just guessed where he thought they might be. If you add to this toss of the dice to all the possible locations any other tipster gave and all the psychics gave, someone is likely to get lucky and get close to the right spot.
The police, of course, would be remiss not to check this out just to be sure they aren’t ignoring a serial killer’s clues. But, chances are, there are two different pedophiles at work in these crimes. Unattended children are easy targets for pedophiles and just because the MO is similar, it doesn’t mean there is just one guy committing the crimes. Yes, there is a serial killer of children out there, but whether there is one serial killer or two serial killers involved in these crimes remains to be seen.
Criminal Profiler Pat Brown
www.patbrownprofiling.com
www.sheprofilers.com
Sorry I haven't posted in a long time, I come and lurk and hang out every day, but just don't take the time to post. Thinking "What's done is done", I would never want to lay blame on a grieving family knowing it would never bring their child back, but I was really upset at the circumstances leading to the dissapperance.
I wasn't sure who sees this blog so thought I would pass it on as food for thought.
From today's blog at http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/
Someone has sent a letter to the Dutch press claiming that he knows where little Madeleine McCann is buried. Apparently this fellow had sent a similar letter last year when the police were searching for the missing Belgian sisters, Stacy and Nathalie, which arrived just on the day they were found. Is this a hoax or could this be the abductor of all three girls? Now, there was an arrest made in the case of the murdered Belgian girls, but this letter writer is said to have known where they were buried by the train tracks and so the police are taking the Madeleine letter fairly seriously.
Let’s profile this letter and see what the possibilities are. First of all, the Belgian girls were killed within hours of their abduction and if Madeleine’s body really is where this writer says it is – seven miles from the resort from which she was taken – I think we can eliminate the pedophile ring scenario (a scenario I never really bought). The Belgian girls were raped and killed quickly; there was no transporting of them anywhere and certainly no time to do any selling of them or videotaping of them being tortured and murdered. If Madeleine is found right in the vicinity of the resort, we can eliminate any fancy sex ring kidnapping little kids for profit.
Therefore, in both cases, we would have a pedophile or a pedophile duo grabbing and amusing themselves, not involving themselves in organized crime. The letter writer could, in theory, be a traveling man and have gone to Belgium, found a couple of victims, left the country and sent the letter when he was back at home in Holland. He could have been on the road again, come across another child left unattended (the Belgian girls were left to play in the street at midnight while their parents were drinking it up inside a bar), grabbed her, raped her and killed her, and then gone back home to Holland where he once again writes a letter at leisure to the newspaper he must read all the time. He would be a publicity lover and get a kick out of having the girls found and reading about the discovery over his morning coffee. Of course, there was a man convicted of the sisters’ murder but it is possible he isn’t guilty, just a dupe, and the real killer finds this annoying and wants to set the record straight.
This is one possible scenario. However, there is a problem with it. It is said that the letter writer was right on the money as to where the sisters’ bodies would be found. I beg to differ. The letter writer marked a location that turned out to be one mile away from where the girls were found. This wouldn’t be such a big deal if he was one mile off from where he claimed Madeleine would be found – six miles or seven miles on a lonely road – well, maybe he just didn’t remember exactly how far he drove, but being one mile off of the sisters’ dump site is a different story entirely.
The sisters’ bodies were found within 300 meters of the bar, not over a mile from the bar. I would think a killer well know the difference between “at the end of the block” and “more than a mile down the road.” Furthermore, a killer who leaves the kids at the end of the block probably doesn’t have a car and the one who would leave them more than a mile away would have to have a car to carry them that far.
At this point, unless Madeleine is found exactly where the letter writer claims, the letters were probably the work of an armchair detective who just guessed where he thought they might be. If you add to this toss of the dice to all the possible locations any other tipster gave and all the psychics gave, someone is likely to get lucky and get close to the right spot.
The police, of course, would be remiss not to check this out just to be sure they aren’t ignoring a serial killer’s clues. But, chances are, there are two different pedophiles at work in these crimes. Unattended children are easy targets for pedophiles and just because the MO is similar, it doesn’t mean there is just one guy committing the crimes. Yes, there is a serial killer of children out there, but whether there is one serial killer or two serial killers involved in these crimes remains to be seen.
Criminal Profiler Pat Brown
www.patbrownprofiling.com
www.sheprofilers.com
Good Morning everyone-
Welcome to the new posters.....Lots of good discussion and diverse info brought up. Thanks. I am just so baffeled by all the events after Madeleine was nabbed (if indeed she was)...from the minute mum said 'They took her...' until today.
All that has happened seems so *not of the norm* if there is such a thing.
:hand: just can't put my finger on it!!
imoo
Welcome to the new posters.....Lots of good discussion and diverse info brought up. Thanks. I am just so baffeled by all the events after Madeleine was nabbed (if indeed she was)...from the minute mum said 'They took her...' until today.
All that has happened seems so *not of the norm* if there is such a thing.
:hand: just can't put my finger on it!!
imoo
From today's skynews--16 June Saturday
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1270838,00.html
SNIPPET.................
Day 44: 'Faith Severley Tested'
Updated: 07:04, Saturday June 16, 2007
<H2>The parents of Madeleine McCann say their Catholic faith will be "severely tested" if their daughter is not found alive and well..............SNIP
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Why is this about them ......all about the parents? :doh: imoo
What about Madeleine??? Hopes she is found safe.
</H2>
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1270838,00.html
SNIPPET.................
Day 44: 'Faith Severley Tested'
Updated: 07:04, Saturday June 16, 2007
<H2>The parents of Madeleine McCann say their Catholic faith will be "severely tested" if their daughter is not found alive and well..............SNIP
================
Why is this about them ......all about the parents? :doh: imooWhat about Madeleine??? Hopes she is found safe.
</H2>
Indeed this is all about Madelaine, but we have no news on the little girl, so to keep the thread alive we are posting whatever we can, even if it is the negligent parents whom none of this would be happening it they had stayed with their children. (see Im just as bad as everyone else, focusing on the parents). Their catholic faith didnt take Madelaine away so why would they say their faith is being tested.From today's skynews--16 June Saturday
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1270838,00.html
SNIPPET.................
Day 44: 'Faith Severley Tested'
Updated: 07:04, Saturday June 16, 2007
<H2>The parents of Madeleine McCann say their Catholic faith will be "severely tested" if their daughter is not found alive and well..............SNIP
================
What about Madeleine??? Hopes she is found safe.
</H2>
Prayers for a safe return of Madelaine.
No No...I think you got me wrong...I didn't mean this thread, I meant the news media reports and info that the McCanns choose to give to the press.:blushing:
The parents are not even quoted as saying how much they miss her,or loveher or how they are scared for her well being or pleading for Madeleine.s return---just seems so odd. And is odd as all of us agree on this, I am right there with you in talking about the parental behaviour.
Petra I realised you were talking about the media in relation to what the McCanns wanted the press to know, and were not talking about this thread. No worries there mate. I was agreeing with you, maybe I just worded it wrong. But as you say this thread is about Madelaine and because there is no new information regarding Madelaine personally we are referring to the parents more as there is always new information to tell about them, they are always the focus when this is really about Madelaine. The snippet about their faith being tested is what I cannot understand, if you believe, then you believe but imo your faith cannot be tested if you are a true believer in your religion. It sounds to me like that if Madelaine is not found safe then their religion is to blame. Its hard to put into words exactly what I mean, I hope you kinda get where I am going, but please Petra I totally agree with what you are saying.
Thanks...yes, we are on the same page, so to speak. I love to be called mate
makes me feel good!!!Here is the link to The Tablet Magazine--the Catholic paper that interviewed them,
http://www.thetablet.co.uk/articles/9930/
Snippet from above linked article
The McCanns' campaign has involved every possible avenue being used to raise the profile of Madeleine. There has been a certain resentment about it but Kate McCann says they have been careful to stress they are not the only parents who have suffered in this way.
"Madeleine is incredibly precious to us. Since this happened we have been made more aware of how many missing children there are. It is awful that we didn't know the scale of it before. Madeleine is as special to us as other children are to their parents."
Criticism of the McCanns' high-profile strategy followed their trips to Fatima, Rome and elsewhere. The couple were astonished that their request to meet the Pope was granted immediately after they contacted Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor. The cardinal told them he would do the same for anyone in their situation.
"These comments from people like the cardinal really helped sustain us. We know the criticism is small but when you are clinging to positives and hope and prayer, criticism does hit home quite hard when you would normally shrug it off."
The McCanns' campaign has involved every possible avenue being used to raise the profile of Madeleine. There has been a certain resentment about it but Kate McCann says they have been careful to stress they are not the only parents who have suffered in this way.
"Madeleine is incredibly precious to us. Since this happened we have been made more aware of how many missing children there are. It is awful that we didn't know the scale of it before. Madeleine is as special to us as other children are to their parents."
Criticism of the McCanns' high-profile strategy followed their trips to Fatima, Rome and elsewhere. The couple were astonished that their request to meet the Pope was granted immediately after they contacted Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor. The cardinal told them he would do the same for anyone in their situation.
"These comments from people like the cardinal really helped sustain us. We know the criticism is small but when you are clinging to positives and hope and prayer, criticism does hit home quite hard when you would normally shrug it off."
This interview did touch me in a way that I did feel sorry for the parents, but you either believe or you dont, you cant switch it on and off to suit yourself, to me they were saying that they would have to consider their beliefs if Madelaine didnt come home.Thanks...yes, we are on the same page, so to speak. I love to be called mate
Here is the link to The Tablet Magazine--the Catholic paper that interviewed them,
http://www.thetablet.co.uk/articles/9930/
I think their PR company advised them on how to handle this interview, to try and make them look more credible as parents, thats my opinion only.
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Just because you are Catholic or religious and have strong beliefs, it doesn't mean your life is going to be rosy and wonderful and no tragedies are going to befall you, so they shouldn't blame God for Maddie's loss. Let's face it, if these selfish parents (yes, selfish!) had not left their kids alone to party with their friends, Maddie wouldn't be missing. If these people were really as strongly religious Catholics as they would have us believe, their kids would be more of a priority to them and also, they would be leaning hard on that faith, clinging to it, if Maddie didn't come home (which likely, she will not), instead of saying it would be "severely tested"....JMHO.
I don't think their new friend the Pope would want them to feel that way...he'd want to them to cling to God and that faith.
I don't think their new friend the Pope would want them to feel that way...he'd want to them to cling to God and that faith.
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I think losing a child and stating your 'faith will be tested'.. is a pretty normal reaction. For me it's the same thing as saying your mad at God... They need to blame somebody here and much easier to blame a divine entity than themselves.
The somebody they need to blame is themselves, they left their children not God.
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