Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm new to this forum and before reading here I was certain the parents weren't involved and now after reading all of the theories and information that hasn't received media attention I'm not sure what to think. I am leaning more to the idea that the parents drugged the children to keep them sleeping whilst they dined but Maddie overdosed and they tried to cover it up. They would of had access to the drugs and would of had a knowledge of dosage amounts, foolproof in their eyes until it went horribly wrong, I can't understand why Kate was suspicious about the twins not waking throughout the commotion of discovering Maddie's disappearance and had to check they were still breathing yet they weren't taken to hospital to get checked over, even amidst the panic and upset of trying to find Maddie, I'd want to make sure my other children were safe. I'd like to think that she was abducted and that one day she'll be discovered if the parents are innocent. It will be very interesting to see what the new investigation uncovers but whatever happens I can't bear to think about the pain and suffering Maddie must have gone through if she is found alive.


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Don't take what people here say for granted.. Go out and look for the information yourself. Some people have fantastical theories that are not based in fact.. Just what they think..

Look for facts and evidence and put together what works for you.

I do not believe the McCanns are involved AT ALL. And I think more and more the evidence is proving that. The Portuguese police are reopening the investigation. There are new sketches and information that is being looked at.

The case seems to be buzzing now and getting new life! I can only hope they find her alive!

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm really curious about the information they have that seems to exclude the McCanns.

I'm open to the idea of an abduction, as we all don't know what happened, there aren't any right or wrong interpretations but I really lean towards the parents involvement since I believe she died in that apartment that night. I have faith in the dogs. Or if her parents didn't do it, I think one of their friends did. I suppose it's also possible she died in the apartment at someone else's hands, but that doesn't explain some of the behaviour.

I'm willing to be wrong, of course, but I've looked at both sides of the argument and found more evidence suggesting anything but an abduction. It's actually overwhelming and I can't ignore it. It does have holes, of course, but not as much as the abduction theory.

I agree with aa9511 that the Portuguese authorities have probably reopened the case because Scotland Yard are closing in. Andy Redwood (I think that's his name?) said on Crimewatch that facts that weren't important are now at the centre of the case, so maybe the Portuguese authorities are looking over the facts they disregarded early on.

Whether the McCanns did something or she was truely abducted, I sincerely hope she is found. I have a feeling she will be found very soon.

IMO this case has even less than the Ramsey's case... There is nothing to exclude them.. Nothing legitimate


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[aa9511]

I don't see why they didn't focus more on the Tapas9 to begin with. I mean everything, cell phone pings, exact movements, just everything.....
and once they excluded all of that, then go on to the rest of the world. It makes no sense to search the entire world first, and then go back to this small group of people who probably know exactly what happened to her and where her poor body is.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I don't see why they didn't focus more on the Tapas9 to begin with. I mean everything, cell phone pings, exact movements, just everything.....
and once they excluded all of that, then go on to the rest of the world. It makes no sense to search the entire world first, and then go back to this small group of people who probably know exactly what happened to her and where her poor body is.

Erm they tried!

Amaral himself has lost his career his reputation his money being dragged through court by these two, merely for suggesting the evidence implicated the McCann.

They didn't cooperate worse - they refused to answer questions about themselves, their daughter, and that night.

Please don't say the PJ didn't try. Amaral is still trying by fighting back in court.

:sick:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The media stopped reporting on Madeleine herself, eons ago.

Almost since 07 the reporting and articles have almost all been about the McCanns and how they are coping and how mean everyone has been to them and how they need MO MONEY to pay for their "search" which apparently didn't locate the night crèche either.

:cow:

Also, LE (who might be trusted to know) advised them not to release the detail about the coloboma as it may cause the "abductor" to kill Madeleine.

They ignored that and went right ahead.

The concern is a bit late and I actually think this report should read "please be respectful of us and the fact we are going to be arrested any second".

Not true..

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/28/did-he-steal-madeleine-mccann.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new.../Madeleine-McCann-more-than-50-new-leads.html

There have been plenty of reports on Madeleine in the years she has been missing.

I think that best part is that it is proving to be true that The McCanns are innocent and had nothing to do with her going missing.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I'm new to this forum and before reading here I was certain the parents weren't involved and now after reading all of the theories and information that hasn't received media attention I'm not sure what to think. I am leaning more to the idea that the parents drugged the children to keep them sleeping whilst they dined but Maddie overdosed and they tried to cover it up. They would of had access to the drugs and would of had a knowledge of dosage amounts, foolproof in their eyes until it went horribly wrong, I can't understand why Kate was suspicious about the twins not waking throughout the commotion of discovering Maddie's disappearance and had to check they were still breathing yet they weren't taken to hospital to get checked over, even amidst the panic and upset of trying to find Maddie, I'd want to make sure my other children were safe. I'd like to think that she was abducted and that one day she'll be discovered if the parents are innocent. It will be very interesting to see what the new investigation uncovers but whatever happens I can't bear to think about the pain and suffering Maddie must have gone through if she is found alive.


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If you accept that there is no abductor, then you have to also accept that Madeleine likely went through a fair bit of pain and suffering with her parents.

Kate spoke of Madeleine's "fear of pain". My 3 year olds didn't even know what pain was really, let alone express a fear of it happening again. Three year olds don't usually develop phobias in my experience.

I have just finished watching the story of Michelle Morgan.

Michelle was a beautiful little 4 year old who was stomped to death in front of the eyes of her siblings by her stepmother. The death was recorded as pnuemonia (God knows how) and dear old mom never so much as got a hard question.

There was never any arrest or enquiry or even suspicion apparently, but unfortunately for her one of those siblings requested some family tree information as an adult and found Michelle's death certificate which in his opinion was wrong.

He'd sat and watched his baby sister vomit out her stomach at the dinner table after the stomping. He watched the repeated horrific assaults. The little girl was black and blue and had multiple healed injuries as well as fresh ones.

My point is, that "mother" never touched another child, before or since. Michelle was her target, and only Michelle.

She went on to have a bunch more kids and never even raised her voice at them let alone abuse them to death.

Only Michelle.

It happens.

:sick:

 

[Project35]

If you accept that there is no abductor, then you have to also accept that Madeleine likely went through a fair bit of pain and suffering with her parents.

Kate spoke of Madeleine's "fear of pain". My 3 year olds didn't even know what pain was really, let alone express a fear of it happening again. Three year olds don't usually develop phobias in my experience.

I have just finished watching the story of Michelle Morgan.

Michelle was a beautiful little 4 year old who was stomped to death in front of the eyes of her siblings by her stepmother. The death was recorded as pnuemonia (God knows how) and dear old mom never so much as got a hard question.

There was never any arrest or enquiry or even suspicion apparently, but unfortunately for her one of those siblings requested some family tree information as an adult and found Michelle's death certificate which in his opinion was wrong.

He'd sat and watched his baby sister vomit out her stomach at the dinner table after the stomping. He watched the repeated horrific assaults. The little girl was black and blue and had multiple healed injuries as well as fresh ones.

My point is, that "mother" never touched another child, before or since. Michelle was her target, and only Michelle.

She went on to have a bunch more kids and never even raised her voice at them let alone abuse them to death.

Only Michelle.

It happens.

:sick:

That is all horrible

I haven't ruled out an abduction, more that I thought it was an abduction and then I've read through other theories presented on here and considered other possibilities. For example I didn't know about the kadaver dogs and that's made me think more about what could of happened. I'd only known what I'd seen in the mainstream press. I'd like to think if the parents are involved it was an accident that got out of control, not that they were abusive. Who knows, whatever the outcome it is very upsetting. I just hope one day there will be an answer to this mystery and that no more important information is disregarded.


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[Linda7NJ]

If you accept that there is no abductor, then you have to also accept that Madeleine likely went through a fair bit of pain and suffering with her parents.

Kate spoke of Madeleine's "fear of pain". My 3 year olds didn't even know what pain was really, let alone express a fear of it happening again. Three year olds don't usually develop phobias in my experience.

I have just finished watching the story of Michelle Morgan.

Michelle was a beautiful little 4 year old who was stomped to death in front of the eyes of her siblings by her stepmother. The death was recorded as pnuemonia (God knows how) and dear old mom never so much as got a hard question.

There was never any arrest or enquiry or even suspicion apparently, but unfortunately for her one of those siblings requested some family tree information as an adult and found Michelle's death certificate which in his opinion was wrong.

He'd sat and watched his baby sister vomit out her stomach at the dinner table after the stomping. He watched the repeated horrific assaults. The little girl was black and blue and had multiple healed injuries as well as fresh ones.

My point is, that "mother" never touched another child, before or since. Michelle was her target, and only Michelle.

She went on to have a bunch more kids and never even raised her voice at them let alone abuse them to death.

Only Michelle.

It happens.

:sick:

It's actually quite common to target one child.

http://www.child-abuse-effects.com/why-parents-target-a-specific-child-for-abuse.html


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[Captain_Khan]

I think that best part is that it is proving to be true that The McCanns are innocent and had nothing to do with her going missing.

I can't really see that being a 'best part'. If what you say is true, it means there is a child abductor (and quite possibly a child murderer) walking free in society somewhere, free to strike another innocent family again with impunity.

To me, that's far more scary and 'worse' than if it was the parents.

(I am not making a statement on whether or not I think the parents were involved, as I do not know enough about this case.)

 

[SapphireSteel]

It's actually quite common to target one child.

http://www.child-abuse-effects.com/why-parents-target-a-specific-child-for-abuse.html


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I just remembered a footnote.

They arrested this evil old hag about 35 years later, and all of her adult children supported her 1000%.

My mom never hit any of us etc.

However the medical records told a different story - dozens of hospital visits for abuse type injuries between them as little ones.

It seems the other adult children have either completely blocked out the truth of their own experiences (even amongst themselves!), or they were the clumsiest bunch of kids ever to make it to adulthood.

Being a victim of traumatic memory loss myself, I can totally understand it if they have truly forgotten.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I can't really see that being a 'best part'. If what you say is true, it means there is a child abductor (and quite possibly a child murderer) walking free in society somewhere, free to strike another innocent family again with impunity.

To me, that's far more scary and 'worse' than if it was the parents.

(I am not making a statement on whether or not I think the parents were involved, as I do not know enough about this case.)

Excellent point.

I would have said the "best part" was the possibility of finding a live Madeleine, not her parents being triumphant over their detractors. Innocent parents wouldn't give a toss how others view them.


ullhair: :crazy: :sick:

:welcome2:

 

[SapphireSteel]

BTW, I suspect this rash of "gypsies with stolen blond children" stories we are experiencing come directly from the fervent imagination and plantings of one Clarence Mitchell.

Team McCann has a long and tedious history of planting stories, usually at carefully selected times such as when the dogs came in, and unfortunately the British Media still repeats them as if they are the Holy Grail.

Those who are critical of this mess (obviously, me ) are aware of the timing of these outlandish headlines, and how they coincide with something the McCann wishes to distract from.

Wild headlines hinting of stolen children to detract the public (and the public's money) from what is really going on, which is the Beginning of The End.

What I absolutely love, I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the McCann and the Ramsey cases, the two closest to my suspicious little heart, are both imploding on the very same week.

Yet another bizarre coincidence. At times like this I think there really is a God and we are seeing his hand.

Hopefully both crimes will be dragged into the light and thoroughly examined by everyone, not just a select few.

I look forward to the truth, no matter what that may be. I hope "those in charge" feel the same way this time.

:cow:

 

[blefuscu]

Don't take what people here say for granted.. Go out and look for the information yourself. Some people have fantastical theories that are not based in fact.. Just what they think..

Look for facts and evidence and put together what works for you.

I do not believe the McCanns are involved AT ALL. And I think more and more the evidence is proving that. The Portuguese police are reopening the investigation. There are new sketches and information that is being looked at.

The case seems to be buzzing now and getting new life! I can only hope they find her alive!

Didn't you base your belief of abduction on the sightings of the now discredited Jane Tanner? You claimed that her belief that it was Madeleine she saw was good enough for you.

Portuguese police reopening the case proves nothing. The McCanns and the tapas 7 refused to work with the Portuguese police. How can they run an investigation when the parents flee the country and there is not one jot of evidence to show an abductor was ever in the room?

 

[aa9511]

BTW, I suspect this rash of "gypsies with stolen blond children" stories we are experiencing come directly from the fervent imagination and plantings of one Clarence Mitchell.

Team McCann has a long and tedious history of planting stories, usually at carefully selected times such as when the dogs came in, and unfortunately the British Media still repeats them as if they are the Holy Grail.

Those who are critical of this mess (obviously, me ) are aware of the timing of these outlandish headlines, and how they coincide with something the McCann wishes to distract from.

Wild headlines hinting of stolen children to detract the public (and the public's money) from what is really going on, which is the Beginning of The End.

What I absolutely love, I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but the McCann and the Ramsey cases, the two closest to my suspicious little heart, are both imploding on the very same week.

Yet another bizarre coincidence. At times like this I think there really is a God and we are seeing his hand.

Hopefully both crimes will be dragged into the light and thoroughly examined by everyone, not just a select few.

I look forward to the truth, no matter what that may be. I hope "those in charge" feel the same way this time.

:cow:

SS....what is going on in the Ramsey case, I haven't heard anything?!

 

[SapphireSteel]

SS....what is going on in the Ramsey case, I haven't heard anything?!

Oh my gosh

The indictment is supposedly being made public today.

:scared:

 

[Chelly]

Oh my gosh

The indictment is supposedly being made public today.

:scared:

Friday.

 

[haden]

I was searching for old stories and reports and found something interesting

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hoto-files-kept-secret-Portuguese-police.html

Other discarded leads include:
• A British ex-pat saying he saw a girl being dragged along a road toward the airport on the night Madeleine disappeared. He had not approached the authorities earlier because he was wanted for fraud.
• A girl like Madeleine was seen with an unkempt Spanish-looking man in his 30s at a shop near Murcia. The woman witness followed the girl but the pair vanished. She failed to tell Spanish police until June 2008.
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• Another lookalike wearing only a dirty yellow jumper was seen being held at gunpoint on a French motorway by a half-naked man in August 2008. French lorry driver Michel Guidard walked toward them only to be threatened with a gun.
• Photos from the internet uncovered by a female French detective were found to show images of sexual abuse which involved a girl resembling Madeleine.
• An account by a Scottish mother of two who saw a girl who looked like Madeleine with a group of gipsies in Albufeira, Portugal, in July 2008. A woman who was with the girl ran off down the hill with her when two police officers turned up.
• Details of a sighting of a girl on October 9, 2008, with a Portuguese man living in the U.S. He allegedly ran a child trafficking operation smuggling in children from his homeland, Mexico and Greece.
Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, said: 'They are incredibly frustrated that this was sitting there and being disregarded by the Portuguese police.
'They were shocked when they saw the scale of the information that had come in and the lack of action taken.
'There are potential leads in the file that are now being followed up by our investigators.
'It's more than a pity that the file has just sat there for so long and simply marked "not relevant" by the Portuguese.
'There are also images in the file that are strikingly similar to Madeleine and are being looked into.'


I wonder if all of these leads were properly looked into???

 

[redheadedgal]

Friday.

i was just going to correct that too :seeya:

 

[SapphireSteel]

It's Friday morning here ladies.


Ill find out first.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Didn't you base your belief of abduction on the sightings of the now discredited Jane Tanner? You claimed that her belief that it was Madeleine she saw was good enough for you.

Portuguese police reopening the case proves nothing. The McCanns and the tapas 7 refused to work with the Portuguese police. How can they run an investigation when the parents flee the country and there is not one jot of evidence to show an abductor was ever in the room?

It proves they are finally listening to the rest of the world. If they are opening the case back up, There is a reason.

I don't believe the McCanns had anything to do with this crime. <modsnip>