Madeleine McCann General Discussion Thread #27

[BOESP]

The quote SS posted up thread said the Mccanns we're not suspect.

Where does it say that? I've read and re-read, twice, and saw nothing stating the McCanns were not suspects (or for that matter that they were suspects).

What did I miss?

 

[aa9511]

Didn't any of them use cell phones? I don't think I would go and check on adults who are a little late for a dinner date. Unless I was standing out there in the dark all by myself I would probably just shrug and enjoy the company that I've already got, figuring that the rest of them are adults and can take care of themselves, perhaps something came up with the kids and they will come when they have the time, no worries. Let's say they're having trouble putting their children to bed I'm just going to make it worse if I go knocking on their door and disturb the family, "aren't you coming yet? aren't you coming yet?"

oh sha-zamm! Good point, you are so right! Makes no sense....none of the happenings during their dinner that night make sense....

 

[SapphireSteel]

The "new information" which has triggered all this kerfuffle is the British police finally getting hold of the cell phone pings.

The McCanns had wiped their call registers in May 07 so this was never able to be done by the PJ.


:moo:

 

[Donjeta]

The "new information" which has triggered all this kerfuffle is the British police finally getting hold of the cell phone pings.

The McCanns had wiped their call registers in May 07 so this was never able to be done by the PJ.


:moo:

I don't understand what the call registers have to do with the PJ examining or not examining ping data.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Again, I too sway between outcomes of whitewash versus gotcha!

If the parents 'dunnit', think what help they received from those in high positions; were those people complicit? If that were the case, how could the parents be found guilty without bringing the whole house crashing down, IYKWIM, for I fail to see how they would keep schtum if they knew they were going down; they would want to drag others down too, methinks.

jmo

There is now a new government in the UK.

The good old boys of 2007 are gone.

Portions of the new government will like nothing more than proving the opposition is full of secret handshakes and perverting the course of justice.

McCanns friends in high places are hopefully, gone.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I don't understand what the call registers have to do with the PJ examining or not examining ping data.

The towers that were pinging were owned by....

Probably the big Telco's, like Vodafone and a few others.

Those companies and their records are NOT KEPT IN PORTUGAL.

Therefore the PJ had zero ability to force the Telco's hand over the ping records.

The British police (tardy to the party) finally got the records from the Telco's, and are now tracing those pings.

The McCann had wiped their call registers on the night so the PJ had no way of finding out who had called who that night.

Now, they do.

 

[~n/t~]

There is now a new government in the UK.

The good old boys of 2007 are gone.

Portions of the new government will like nothing more than proving the opposition is full of secret handshakes and perverting the course of justice.

McCanns friends in high places are hopefully, gone.

Do you think they would still want to protect their own and accuse an outsider? No offence intended. Just curious

 

[~n/t~]

The towers that were pinging were owned by....

Probably the big Telco's, like Vodafone and a few others.

Those companies and their records are NOT KEPT IN PORTUGAL.

Therefore the PJ had zero ability to force the Telco's hand over the ping records.

The British police (tardy to the party) finally got the records from the Telco's, and are now tracing those pings.

The McCann had wiped their call registers on the night so the PJ had no way of finding out who had called who that night.

Now, they do.

Wouldn't the cellphone provider have the records? Why wasn't this done before ?

 

[SapphireSteel]

So Marias mother was found in bulgaria confirmed by DNA. She gave her to a couple because she couldnt keep her or take her back to bulgaria.

So the Roma couple told the truth all along.

Where does that leave them now then?

Maria: Bulgarian Couple Are Roma Girl's Parents

DNA tests have confirmed that a Bulgarian couple are the biological parents of Maria, the girl found in a Greek Roma camp.

"DNA samples showed that Sasha Ruseva is the biological mother and Atanas Rusev is the biological father of the child called Maria," Bulgaria's interior ministry chief of staff Svetlozar Lazarov told reporters.

Ms Ruseva has said she gave birth to a baby girl four years ago in Greece while working as an olive picker.

She said she gave the child away because she was too poor to care for her. Ms Ruseva insisted she did not get paid for giving up the girl.

However, she had reportedly told one of her neighbours that she had sold the child for the equivalent of around £213,.

She had recognised Maria, when her discovery made headlines around the world.

According to reports Mrs Ruseva, who is married and lives in the central Bulgarian town of Nikolaevo, has between eight and 10 children.

Five of those children are blonde, and even closely resemble the girl found in central Greece last week.

Maria's case came to light when Greek police noticed the lack of resemblance between the blonde girl and the adults she was staying with in Athens.

Today's DNA confirmation comes after police arrested a childless couple in Greece on suspicion of buying a baby Roma girl and trying to register her as their own.

The couple were arrested in Athens after they allegedly paid a Roma woman 4,000 euros (£3,400) for the baby, a Greek police statement said.

Authorities are looking for the baby's birth parents.

The suspects, aged 53 and 48, were expected to be charged with child abduction. Under Greek law this includes cases where a minor is voluntarily given away by its parents outside the legal adoption process.

More follows...

http://news.sky.com/story/1159714/maria-bulgarian-couple-are-roma-girls-parents

It leaves them on the pile of innocent people who have had their lives and reputations ruined by Team McCann.


They can join Murat, Hewlett, pimple man, creepy man, the Australian tourist, the New Zealand family, all sitting on the scrap heap of the Find Madeleine Fund, who managed to dig out every bizarre and remote blond gypsy child while simultaneously managing to completely overlook the night crèche parents.

:banghead:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Wouldn't the cellphone provider have the records? Why wasn't this done before ?

The cell phone providers were not Portugese.

The PJ didn't even get Madeleine's medical records, they wouldn't have the foggiest hope of forcing a UK Telco to divulge phone pings.

Those towers are not "Portugese", they are merely renting space in Portugal.

The real question surely is "why were the McCann call registers wiped?"

 

[SapphireSteel]

Do you think they would still want to protect their own and accuse an outsider? No offence intended. Just curious

Who is "they"?

The Labour Government of the UK, now gone?

Or the current Government?

:dunno:

I do not think anyone from the UK Government willingly covered up Madeleine's disappearance.

I think that certain members of the 2007 Labour Government were as susceptible as the rest of us "these nice people cant possibly be involved" and as a courtesy, supported the McCann against the crooked and incompetent Portugese. It could be as simple as the UK Ambassador not liking the Portugese Ambassador, or Tony not liking whoever was head of state in Portugal at the time. Two leaders who don't get on can and do start wars so what's a little bit of non-cooperation? Big deal.

This is "conspiracy" this is an honest mistake by those in charge who have attempted to distance themselves ever since from what they inadvertently allowed to happen.

 

[~n/t~]

The cell phone providers were not Portugese.

The PJ didn't even get Madeleine's medical records, they wouldn't have the foggiest hope of forcing a UK Telco to divulge phone pings.

Those towers are not "Portugese", they are merely renting space in Portugal.

The real question surely is "why were the McCann call registers wiped?"

I understand the towers but cellphone providers have records of the calls made. I assume there was no cooperation from them to the PJ or did PJ didn't bother getting the written copies of all calls made by the tapas group?

 

[~n/t~]

Who is "they"?

The Labour Government of the UK, now gone?

Or the current Government?

:dunno:

I do not think anyone from the UK Government willingly covered up Madeleine's disappearance.

I think that certain members of the 2007 Labour Government were as susceptible as the rest of us "these nice people cant possibly be involved" and as a courtesy, supported the McCann against the crooked and incompetent Portugese.

This is "conspiracy" this is an honest mistake by those in charge who have attempted to distance themselves ever since from what they inadvertently allowed to happen.

The current government. Cameron appeared to be quite involved at the time. Unusual for a PM to get so involved, no?

 

[~n/t~]

The first call of Gerry in the night of the crime was for Alistair Clark, a great friend of the times of the university and diplomat next to Gordon Brown. Clark made various contacts to the highest level and - before the Judiciary Policy - already the Sky News and the British ambassador were informed of the abduction.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2007/12/gerry-mccann-did-call-british-media.html

 

[SapphireSteel]

The current government. Cameron appeared to be quite involved at the time. Unusual for a PM to get so involved, no?

It's all unusual. :scared:

How many billions of pounds are going to be spent on this mess before it's resolved?

Name one other missing child case where the PM has personally intervened...no one can, because there isn't one.

If the McCanns hadn't been the McCanns, they would have had the twins taken off them and put in care, and charges of neglect filed.

Joe Public in the UK needs to ask why these folks not only escaped all censure, they actually got very special treatment...diplomatic immunity almost.

You're all paying for it you know, through your taxes so you have the right to demand answers from your elected member and whatever FOI rules you have there.

Re cell phone records -

The company who owns those towers are probably in China or the US or somewhere.

They are renting the land the tower sits on. Where I live, they even pay council rates for towers.

Imagine if your landlord comes knocking at your door when you're rent is paid up, and randomly demands to see your call register or bank statement or medical records - you're going to tell him to rack off aren't you? Mind your own business, I don't have to tell you anything?

Same principle. Telcos are not in the habit of releasing private information without court orders, and the PJ chose not to pursue this through international law because it would be too expensive, with too little guarantee they would succeed.

The cell phone pings remained a mystery until the British Police got them, presumably earlier this year. We should be asking them why it's taken so long, not the PJ.

 

[~n/t~]

PJ should have issued a court order but alas they were busy looking for an egg man

 

[Donjeta]

The towers that were pinging were owned by....

Probably the big Telco's, like Vodafone and a few others.

Those companies and their records are NOT KEPT IN PORTUGAL.

Therefore the PJ had zero ability to force the Telco's hand over the ping records.

The British police (tardy to the party) finally got the records from the Telco's, and are now tracing those pings.

The McCann had wiped their call registers on the night so the PJ had no way of finding out who had called who that night.

Now, they do.

Are you trying to imply that the police in Portugal has no legal way of subpoenaing the ping records from Portuguese cell towers if the operator is internationally owned?

I would like to see a link to verify that because I am not too sure that it's true.

 

[jigzy]

There is now a new government in the UK.

The good old boys of 2007 are gone.

Portions of the new government will like nothing more than proving the opposition is full of secret handshakes and perverting the course of justice.

McCanns friends in high places are hopefully, gone.

Great point. I think that no political party in the UK is fit to govern so think of them all as the same, but of course, a party political angle. I hope for a swift end to all this. Six years of bovine manure surrounding this case. Here's to the truth at last.

 

[Donjeta]

Is this site legit?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_PING.htm
It says these are files from the Portuguese police released n 2008 and there are some ping maps here. So there must have been a way for the PJ to get cell phone pings no matter who owns the cell towers.

 

[aa9511]

The "new information" which has triggered all this kerfuffle is the British police finally getting hold of the cell phone pings.

The McCanns had wiped their call registers in May 07 so this was never able to be done by the PJ.


:moo:

bbm

Ok wait....so let me get this straight....so during PJ investigation, they did not have MCcann phone records? But didn't they have phone records for the other Tapas7.....was that from their phones or was that from the phone companies directly?

If the McCanns' deleted their phones, could SY get those calls from asking the McCann phone company for the records, or are they not allowed to do that until they are formally suspects?

And so did the SY not have those cell phone ping records until they officialy opened their own investigations?

I thought PJ had the cell phone ping records from everyone?

TIA!